Chiefs' Roster Auditions in the Jungle
From the FanPosts. I tweaked the title just a touch. -Primetime

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As the '08 version of the Kansas City Chiefs come limping to the finish line this Sunday in Cincinnati, the most interesting story lines are off the field. Who will be the teams new GM? And will the coaching staff be revamped or will Herm and the usual suspects be allowed to continue on? Lots of good drama to look forward to as we approach free agency and the draft.
But there is no substitute for real live football being played, and this is our last chance to rate, review, dissect, and break down our team. Here are some of the things I am going to be watching for:

- Defensive end play. We are all expecting to upgrade this position either in free agency or the draft, but do we have players worth keeping even for depth? Hali has actually played better the last month of the season. He seems healthier and more comfortable at his left end position. He has also been bringing some pressure as of late. Let's all hope this season was a fluke. Babin has been a welcome surprise and at least brings some experience to a very important position in our defense. He hustles, but seems a step slow for me. I personally think Turk and possible even Johnston have more potential and should get the nod. One more game to prove himself. Gilberry has been a non factor and I still think Boone is a defensive tackle masquerading as an end.
- Derrick Johnson our middle linebacker? I am not sure if Pat Thomas was that bad, or if DJ might actually be the answer? But I thought DJ looked pretty good playing there last week in only his third game since college at the Mike. I know a lot of people would much rather see us take a stab at one of the stellar crop of draftees, but if he can fill the position, that would actually be a good thing. There should be some quality outside linebackers that we can draft in later rounds. I am curious to see how he finishes up the season. As a former 1st round pick, we really need DJ to be a success.
- Can #27 (Vientisiete for you Ochenta y Cincho fans) still pound the rock? I am under the impression that he still has some tread on those tires, and with the rather large salary cap hit we would take to cut or trade him, he may still have a place in KC for one more year. Too bad we are probably looking at another possible suspension if things don't go well in a Kansas City courtroom. This of course is largely dependent on the next thing I am going to be watching.
- Offensive line play. Picking no worse than 3rd, the Chiefs will be staring at a surperb threesome of offensive tackles. Smith, Oher, and Monroe should all be fantastic at the pro level, and though Albert's play has been excellent ( I think he has been our best lineman all year), we still have to consider the quality of player that will be availible picking that high. If nothing else, perhaps another team views one of them as a player that is worth trading up into the top five for? This is also a draft with some top flight centers availible, and if things go well, perhaps Alex Mack will be sitting atop the second round for us. Nothing against Niswanger, but I think he would be a better guard, and that is a position of need for this young team. We have had 2 and 3 guards sitting on the practice squad all season long trying to find depth for our interior blocking. This is a serious postition of need for us. Wade Smith and Herb Taylor are good back-ups, but I still think we need to upgrade the offensive line.
- #4. Tyler Thigpen has been probably the biggest reason that the second half of the season has even been bearable to watch. He has given hope to the hopeless and generated offense out of futility. I am pulling for #4 to have a big finish and give us all something to debate as we go into the draft. Regardless of his finish though, this position needs more depth. Two of the quarterbacks who started the year on the roster are on IR and they are both a crapshoot to make the team next year. Quinn Gray may or may not have potential, but I just don't see him having much of a future in KC. Everyone knows that I am hoping the Lions continue their ridiculous record of bad drafts and pass on Bradford, but in lieu of that, I would like to see us draft Graham Harrel or Mark Sanchez in the 3rd or 4th round. You can never have enough good QBs.
- Special Teams. Yes, special teams. I would like to see Connor Barth get a few chances to kick some field goals Sunday so he can go into the offseason on a high note. Colquitt has really struggled this year to be a consistent punter, and after watching him have a stellar year last year, this has been hard. I know he has been hurt, but I would love to see him boom some high, hard to catch punts this Sunday. We all love D.C. and know he will come back strong next season. Our long snapper Thomas Gafford has done OK, but he has definitely screwed some snaps this season. Darche should be back next season, I hope. There has been so many different names on the backs of jerseys on special teams this year, it is a pretty good bet that none of them will be back next season? But one name that I have noticed show up that I think has potential (at least for special teams) is Curtis Gatewood. Very quick and solid tackler, he seems to be the second half's Eric Walden. As hard as this season has been to field a good special teams unit, a coaching change might have the greatest immediate effect on this unit, as well as a good infusion of talent.
- Could this be the last time we see Tony G in a Chiefs uniform? Maybe not. He seems to like being the #1 target in the emerging Arrowspread offense. But new regime, lack of tradable players, and uncertainity for the immediate future of the Chiefs will make this subplot and interesting one all the way up to the draft. If this is it, we should enjoy it. Besides Derrick Thomas, may he rest in peace, Gonzalez is the best Chiefs player of my lifetime.
- Attitude. We are only playing for pride at this point. A win can prevent the worst record in franchise history, and we need 4 sacks to keep from being the worst ever sack squad. The Bengals have serious offensive line woes so we might be able to avert this dubious distinction. I hope we see a young team that continues to play with good energy and effort, and somehow finds a way to finish a game.
Our Chiefs have a lot of very important decisions coming up that will affect the franchise for a long time to come. Here is to hoping that we make all the right moves and next year we are talking about how good it is to have turned it around! Go Chiefs.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Nice post
Defensive End
I think next year we’ll start the season with New Draft Pick/FA DE and Hali starting with Babbin and Turk in the rotation. Johnston will likely be the odd man out unless he shows great improvment during training camp next year. Going on IR and missing much needed playing opportunities will really hurt him.
Derrick Johnson our middle linebacker?
Really have no idea here. It all depends on whether we pick up a pass rush DE in free agency and whether the new GM/Head Coach decide they want to stick with Thigpen or sign a FA like Cassell rather than drafting a QB with our top pick. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them draft several LBs and fit them in with the guys we’re keeping. DJ could stay at MLB or they could put some other guy there and move DJ back to the outside.
Can #27 still pound the rock?
I think LJ is still a good player and would be putting up much better numbers on a team with a better Offensive Line. However, I think most people realize giving him the huge contract was a big mistake and his legal problems give the Chiefs a chance to get out of that enormous contract. I think they’ll take advantage of it.
Offensive line play
I don’t think theres any way they draft a tackle with the #3 (or higher) pick. The only reason to do that is for a LT and Albert has been fantastic there and there’s no reason to think he won’t be able to hold it down. They can pick up a RT in the 2nd or 3rd round. I love the idea of picking up Mack to play Center if he’s there in the 2nd round, but there are doubts that he will last that long. If there are a lot of underclassmen declaring as they expect, he could fall that far.
#4
The question everyone wants to know is: Is the Spread making Thigpen a good QB or will Thigpen be a good QB in any system? We have no idea. A lot of Thigpens situation will depend on the new GM. If he is an aggressive guy wanting to make a name for himself, chances are he will want to draft a 1st round prospect to be the face of the franchise. If Pioli becomes the new GM as some say he is very interested in the KC job, he is pretty likely to pull Matt Cassell, who will be a free agent, with him. That leaves Thigpen as a backup.
Could this be the last time we see Tony G in a Chiefs uniform?
In the highly unlikely even that Herm were to stay (which would also mean Thigpen would be the QB next year) I think Tony would stay. But I don’t see that happening and I don’t think he is going to want to start all over again with the Chiefs, he likely will be trying to get out and go to a contender. We won’t see him with the Chiefs next year.
Attitude
One thing you HAVE to give Herm credit for is that not one player on this team has quit. Its been a heartbreaking season and they have seen sure wins melt away, but everyone from the rookies to the jaded vets show up every week and play their best.
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 25, 2008 11:25 PM CST
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Merry Christmas DJ
Thanks for taking the time to respond to all those points. Really good feedback on all. I hadn’t heard that Pioli is interested in the KC job, but that is encouraging. I would also be very interested in Kevin Colbert from the Steelers. I think this could very well be one of the most interesting offseasons we have ever had.
I hope you’re wrong about Gonzalez, although you are probably right. I would love to see him come back. I am not sure if Cottam is ready for Primetime? I guess we will find out.
by TheQ on
Dec 25, 2008 11:35 PM CST
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Yes. As much crap as we have given Dj this year and last, Merry Christmas. DJ, you have always been the most positive for us...and given the state of our Chiefs the last 2 years, that is commendable.
DJ, Thank you for being who we want to be as fans. Even if we, (particularly me), disagree with you, since you have the outlook we all want.
Thank you, DJ. Merry Christmas.
by DThomasReigns on
Dec 26, 2008 12:41 AM CST
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One really nice thing about doing a clean sweep
is that maybe now we can get past the guys that have polarized us into haters and homers and just all be Chiefs fans again. At least until after the next head coaches first season. :)
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 26, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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That would be great
I am looking forward to the day when we are more concerned with the next game (match ups, etc.) than when we are going to win our next game and who is going to coach the team next year. It is always easier to unify around a winner, but I am sure that people will still find reasons to complain! :)
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 2:41 PM CST
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Johnston: Odd man out?
One could argue Johnston showed just as much promise (if not more) than Babin in his limited playing time this season. His season ending injury I don’t forsee being a reoccuring theme and I give him the benefit of the doubt being A) a rookie & B)he practices under Herm. I’m confident this team would be better defensively and our roster would be a lot less injury depleted if whomever coaches next year returns to REAL practices and not Herm’s little ditty’s. I want Babin to return next year as much as anybody (becoming a quick fan) but if it’s a choice between him and Johnston thats a tough one to make.
Reading DTReigns comments, he’s absolutey right, DJ. You’re a model fan and despite the crap we give you (and may continue to) you’re a great sport and seemingly quality individual. Happy Holidays
by KansasCityShuffle on
Dec 26, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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Johnston
He has potential and it all just comes down to what the new coaches think of him. Will they think more of the raw talent of a 7th round pick or the abilities of a former 1st round pick that maybe never were given a chance to bloom with his former team? We don’t know. I don’t think Johnsont will be seen as injury prone, but rather it was a good opportunity for him to get some playing time and develop that he missed out on. That could hurt his chances. He needs playing time to develop.
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 26, 2008 11:15 AM CST
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WPI much?
We may be "playing to win the game", but it seems like we're coaching to lose.
'09, a new era begins.
For the land of the free and the home of the CHIEFS!
by ROC 27 on
Dec 26, 2008 10:02 AM CST
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great post
Hope your wrong on TG, the team has shown improvements in the second half I think having one qb has helped that. I think our greatest weakness is the tampa 2 scheme it looks like we havn’t cracked the top ten of defenses since 1998 and thats why I think we need somebody from pitt as gm
by 402 on
Dec 26, 2008 10:03 AM CST
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I think Clark is leaning towards someone
from the Patriots or Steelers. And I hope TG plays next year, because with him gone I think we would have to see a setback for this offense. He has played out of his mind this year considering the state of the Chiefs.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 2:44 PM CST
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Clark has stated that he admires the Steeler's organization.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 3:19 PM CST
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There appears to be at least three candidates from the Steelers
Kevin Colbert who is Director of Football Operations (I think he is more or less their acting GM), Ron Hughes who is their College Scouting Coordinator, and Doug Whaley their Pro Personnel Coordinator. It seems to me that there is a lot more probably candidates than I would have thought possible.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 3:39 PM CST
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Good point about #4
This game is huge for Tyler. If he ends the season on a high note it will definately help him out with the new GM. A bad game will possibly add some doubt at the QB spot for the incoming regime. Cassel has shown he is capable of playing at a high level. Last week proved he is a big time player with the way he performed after the passing of his father. Someone from the Steelers organization may be a better choice for Tyler’s future. If Pioli comes in, you can bet Cassel will get a shot at starting here.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 3:46 PM CST
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It will be interesting to see where Cassel ends up.
I heard that the Lions might be interested in Cassel so they can take one of those stud tackles #1. But there is also the slim possibility that the Pats franchise Cassel until they are certain about the health of Tom Brady. The Patriots are too smart an organization to let a quality player go without knowing that their starter will be ready. No doubt free agency will play a part in where everybody goes, including the draft. I feel really good that in Thigpen, we at least have a caretaker QB and maybe more?
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 3:55 PM CST
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I can't see them franchising Cassel.
That would mean they are paying there backup starter money. The Pats aren’t usually willing to fork over doe like that. Thigpen needs to have a big game this week to help his future with the team. Pioli may like what he has seen in Thigpen. I know a lot of buzz around the league is that Thigpen can play.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 4:14 PM CST
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Good point...
They arent gonna Franchise and pay a guy to sit on the bench. Granted he’s a good back up plan to Tom Brady, but it’s hard to franchise a QB when you have the home town hero ready to come back and play for your team.
We may be "playing to win the game", but it seems like we're coaching to lose.
'09, a new era begins.
For the land of the free and the home of the CHIEFS!
by ROC 27 on
Dec 26, 2008 4:25 PM CST
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I read somewhere earlier
that they can franchise Cassel, and wait on the status of Brady, and if Brady is ready to go they can rescind the franchise tag. I think it was over at Pats Pulpit.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on
Dec 26, 2008 6:33 PM CST
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How much cap space does New England have?
Even if they wanted to keep Cassell around, could they even afford to have a franchised Cassell and Brady both on the same team? Franchised QB gets the average of the top 5 QBs in the league, then you have Brady on top of that who is probably in the top 2 at least. Then they have big dollar players like Randy Moss, Wes Welker, etc.
I just don’t see how they could afford to carry a franchised Cassell and Bradys salaries on the squad even if they wanted to.
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 26, 2008 6:52 PM CST
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Actually
Brady makes like $10 million per year which is pretty low considering how valuable he is. Manning makes like $4 million ore per year. Vick made about $3 million more per year. You could make an argument that Brady’s one of the most underpaid players in the NFL.
by primetime 07 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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Hey Eric,
I tried to find some info that says that you can rescind the franchise tag, because I thought I read that somewhere too, but I don’t think you can. They can transition tag him which would save a little money (it is the average of the top ten salaries) but it doesn’t seem feasible for them to do that either. Brady or Cassel? Which one would you keep?
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 8:01 PM CST
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Franchise Tag
Franchising a player involves signing them to the “franchise” contract, the player still has to sign it. If you remember with Jared Allen, the Chiefs had announced they were franchising him, but Jared never actually signed the contract. If he had never signed, he would not have been able to play for any other team this year.
I think the scenario Eric mentioned would play out where the Patriots announced their intentions to sign Cassell as their franchise player so no other team could sign him as a free agent and if someone was desperate enough for him they could take him for the 1st and 3rd picks for compensation. But I believe until Cassell actually signs the franchise contract, the Patriots could withdraw it at any time.
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 26, 2008 8:39 PM CST
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So as usual in business
Lots of posturing that may amount to something or it may not. This whole thing is making me wonder what is the physical status of Brady?
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 8:43 PM CST
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I don't think anyone knows whats going on right now
Cassell has played well this year (especially considering he was a backup his entire college career as well as the pros), but Brady is still Brady.
One thing I wonder about is how much of Cassells play is because he is a good QB and how much is just Bellichick? People used to always wonder if Brady made Bellichick or Bellichick made Brady. Well, without Brady and using an undrafted QB that was a backup in college the Pats are still 11-5. Will Cassell be as good on another team?
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 26, 2008 8:52 PM CST
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That is a really good point
The “system” argument seems valid for Cassel and no one can be sure that he would enjoy the same success without Moss and Welker and that line blocking for him. Something else that struck me about the franchise tag is that the Chiefs were dealing from a position of power because everyone thought we would franchise Allen or that we would be crazy not to. The Pats would obviously be bluffing unless there was some reason to believe Brady couldn’t play because of his knee. Anyway, you’re right, way to early to speculate on this particular situation.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 9:00 PM CST
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Here is a system question
would Brady still be Brady if in another system, I would say keep a healthy Brady, still to many questions about Cassell.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on
Dec 26, 2008 10:38 PM CST
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Would Montana be Montana without the westcoast offense?
We could do this all day with QBs. Very good point.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 27, 2008 12:53 PM CST
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It is all speculation
We are all just assuming that this is going to go down. Brady is rehabing and his infection has cleared. A player of his caliber will be back starting next year. Cassel is looking good for his first shot at playing in his third season in the league, but I seriously doubt he gets the job in NE. Maybe if they make the playoffs and he leads the team to the Superbowl but short of that, he will be with another team. I guess he could pull a David Garrard and stay with his team as a backup.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 27, 2008 12:51 PM CST
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Yeah but
The difference between Brian Leftwich and Tom Brady is a couple Grand Canyons put together. Garrard might have had the sense that it could be his team in the near future. I can’t believe Cassell could honestly believe that he is in position to permanently replace Brady.
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 27, 2008 2:00 PM CST
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That was my point
Cassel is gone. Just playing the assumption game.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 27, 2008 6:08 PM CST
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I tried to find it again, the only thing I found was an article
on profootball weekly, with the speculationabout Pioli coming here with McDaniels as HC, and Cassell as qb, sorry.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on
Dec 26, 2008 11:08 PM CST
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I don't really see them doing that either
but they definitely need to make a decision on Cassel, and Brady’s health will be the deciding factor. I know that Brady had to have to knee operated on a couple of times and that it didn’t go as smoothly as expected. I can’t see them having only Gutierrez and O’Connell as their back up plans. But they are the Patriots, and they seem to be able to make anyone a successful player. Darn it all to heck.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 4:37 PM CST
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Yeah, They have a tough decision.
I can see them bringing in a veteran backup that will be capable. I would love to see him in KC. Thigpen and Cassel battling it out. When was the last time there was a ledit QB battle? This offseason should be fun. Out of the teams at the bottom, the Chiefs should be the most attractive for New players, coaches, and a GM.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 4:50 PM CST
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I think that there is no question that the Chiefs job is the best one open
Which should help us grab the best candidates and players availible. Once the winning attitude is re-instilled in this franchise we are going to be a force to be reckoned with. The “Sea of Red” will return and players will love being in KC again, if they don’t already.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 5:02 PM CST
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That is sorely missed by us all.
I miss the days when teams were intimidated at Arrowhead.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 7:28 PM CST
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Me too CMP, me too.
But I have no doubt that it is coming back. Our owner is proving to be a very smart man which bodes well for us.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 7:57 PM CST
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Cassel would only be franchised
to be traded. They won’t have to pay him starter money and they’ll get some serious picks for it. Either Tom is traded (won’t happen) or Matt. Either way they’ll be sitting pretty in the 2010 draft and will be able to develop whatever QB on their depth chart into the next Cassel. Thats how good programs work….
by KansasCityShuffle on
Dec 26, 2008 4:50 PM CST
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That sounds about right
the Pats won’t give him away. No matter what, good QBs don’t come cheap.
by TheQ on
Dec 26, 2008 5:03 PM CST
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Except that
If they don’t get a deal done for him they will be on the hook for the average of the top 5 QB salaries PLUS Tom Bradys salary. Teams will know that and hold the Pats up for a better deal.
It would be pretty risky for the Pats to franchise Cassell expecting to get a kings ransom out of him because I don’t think he’s worth it. He could be another 1 year wonder like Derrick Anderson was for all we know.
by ChiefDJ on
Dec 26, 2008 6:16 PM CST
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The franchise tag also depends on who else they stand to lose.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 6:19 PM CST
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What about the Transition Tag?
Is Cassel eligible for that? I agree that they won’t franchise him, plus nobody would give up what is required to pry him from that contract. But perhaps they slap him with the Transition tag? I don’t know much about it and am too lazy at this time to look it up.
by Ochophosphate on
Dec 26, 2008 7:58 PM CST
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I believe he is UFA
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 8:20 PM CST
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SO..........
We signed Weston Dacus to a three year deal. Linebacker is shored up, cross that off the list! :)
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by cmpotter on
Dec 26, 2008 11:06 PM CST
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