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The Case for Denny Thum as Chiefs' President

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via www.kcchiefs.com

The Chiefs Vice President, COO and interim GM Denny Thum has seen it all in Kansas City.  He owns the distinction of being employed by the team through all 10 head coaches in franchise history.  Hired in 1974 as an accountant, Thum has had his hand in the Chiefs' numbers the last 34 years.  He is, by all accounts, one of the best business.

But his biggest problem is that he's connected to the previous regime.  Although he wasn't a Peterson hire, he'll forever be connected to King Carl as he was given the title assistant GM in 1989, added VP in 1996 and then promoted to COO in 2006...all under Carl's watch.

Carl himself has been impressed with Thum during his tenure:

"I believe it is exceedingly important that we utilize Denny’s management skills in all areas of the Kansas City Chiefs organization at this time. As the Chief Operating Officer he will report directly to me as he oversees the budgets for other areas in our organization, including sales, marketing, capital improvements, information services, stadium operations, promotions, accounting and business operations of the Chiefs. He will work in conjunction with me and team ownership in formulating the short-term and long-term strategic plans for the continued vitality of the Chiefs franchise."

Carl's biggest asset has been the perception that he's a savvy business man.  As evidenced by the quote above, Thum was involved in all the major business moves by the team.

Say what you will about the Chiefs over the past 15 years (0 playoff wins) but only 5 teams have a better record than the Chiefs in that time span (GB, PIT, IND, NE, DEN...all SB winners over that span).  Much of that [regular season] success over a long period of time can be attributed to Thum's abilities to work the cap.  By all accounts he's one of the best in the business as evidenced by his ability to maintain the Chiefs cap.

Long-time agent Jonathan Feinsod, who has worked with the Chiefs before, praised Thum and the possibility of him getting a promotion:

"That would probably be something that's way overdue," said agent Jonathan Feinsod, who has negotiated many player contracts with Thum. "He's been groomed so well and seen so much and is completely ready. Too many people get moved into these positions who aren't nearly as qualified as Denny Thum."

Arrowhead Pride covered the Trent Green saga of the 2006-2007 offseason.  And, as you all remember, it began to get nasty with Carl Peterson and Trent Green.  Until Thum stepped in.

Per Green's agent after the Chiefs and Dolphins finally got a deal done for Green:

"As hard as Carl Peterson tried to screw this up," said Steiner, "by violating a code of ethics between a club and an agent by discussing an offer with a player without an agent present, we got a deal done.

"Credit goes to (executive vice president and assistant GM) Denny Thum for keeping this together, and he did it based on his relationship with me. Without Denny Thum and (coach) Dick Vermeil this deal would not have gotten done."

I wonder how many deals were on the brink of falling apart before Thum stepped in.

So, while we've been knocking Carl Peterson for who he hired and who he didn't fire, let's remember he got it right with Thum.  The Chiefs next president is already in house.  He knows the team.  He knows the  job.  Keep Denny Thum.

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I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen. Thum is a smart man and has been doing the brunt of the negotiations for the last few years. Call it the homer in me, but he is one that really would hurt to lose. He’s a KC native, went to Rockhurst for college and got his degree in accounting. I was able to talk to him on a couple occasions; he’s a good man. I don’t think that the Chiefs would be in as nearly good of shape as they are without him, and his long-time tenure is a testament to that.

Saying he’s connected to the Peterson regime isn’t really fair. He earned his was from the ground up at Arrowhead; before, during, and AFTER Peterson. You should change the title to “Meet Your New Chiefs President.”

"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated

by IISaiNtII on Dec 23, 2008 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

I've Never Really Had A Problem With Thum

I don’t see any reason to put him in charge of evaluating talent, but that doesn’t seem to be what ownership wants and I agree that he’s done a great job with the cap during his tenure.

Biggest problem the Chiefs have had with the cap was Carl Peterson’s tendency to hand out bad contracts to players that couldn’t produce.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

Basically

I think Thum’s a good guy to keep.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

We were in cap hell in 2001 and he got us out of all of it. He’s been there for years. Frankly, I just don’t see who would be an upgrade than somebody whose demonstrated over 34 years he can be successful.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 23, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Why not just let Thum handle the contracts {I would say period, but I heard it's over used :) }

Leave the GM out of the negotiations with the agents. Thum can handle the business part and the GM will handle the finding of the player part.

Afterall he has a cell phone and can keep the GM informed.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 23, 2008 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

Just as President(business side)

No player eval, no hiring of coaches, Gm should be able to choose his guys.

Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?

by Eric Allen on Dec 23, 2008 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

Really nice post PT

I never even saw Thum as a candidate, but it makes sense. If Clark Hunt is as shrewd as he seems, I am sure he is currently considering him. Only thing is that he is not the fresh eyes that we probably need.

by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

Clark Hunt Was Talking More About The GM Role When He Said That

He’s splitting the business side and football side of things, so Thum may not be out of the running for the president job (which will oversee the business side of things).

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes sense

Would the new GM consider Thum for the Presidents position (which it sounds like he should), or would he want to bring in all of “his guys”? I just assumed all current Chiefs people would be out.

by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

The GM Wouldn't Have A Say

The President wouldn’t be working under him.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My Understanding Is

That there would be separate branches…the president or CEO or whatever handles the business side (and possibly contract negotiations), the GM would handle player acquisition, scouting, planning and supervising the coaching staff. Both would answer to Clark Hunt.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

As UC said, Carl held GM/Pres/CEO…They are going to hire a GM (a “football” guy) and a President (a “business” guy). Thum would fall in the business category.

But, his business is very important to the team. He’s apparently outstanding at his job. The rumors following Carl’s departure were immediately that Thum would get the nod at Pres. After doing a bit of research about Thum, I hope they do.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 24, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Man, you guys really tore it up today

It is going to take forever to read through all the comments. I still don’t know how everyone does it at work? I need a job like that!

by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

And here we were worried that there wasn’t enough front page content today :)

It’s an exciting time in Chiefs land despite what the MSM says.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 24, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Apparently he has already been doing the leg work for the business side for awhile now

By elevating him to the CEO job would only benefit the organization for the long run.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 23, 2008 6:47 PM CST reply actions  

Makes good business sense

if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

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