Possible 1st Round Trade Partners
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 23, 2008 9:04 AM CST
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I will be saying this ad nausea this off season but I do not want to draft a QB with out top 3 pick. I’m sure there is some talent worthy of a top 3 pick available. Still, I’d like to see our boys move that pick, save some cheddar, and pick up an additional day 1 pick. Everyone is so damn high on Bradford and Stafford, so lets take a look at the squads that may be looking to move up to take one of them.
Philly-
Slim to none. McNabb’s not getting any older, but I don’t see this team trading two first day picks to take a QB.
Washington- Less slim to none. Sure Jason Campell is still young but is anyone impressed with him. Slight possibility if only because Dan Snyder is constantly trying to out shitty move Al Davis.
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS-
May be on to something here. Favre is old and senile. May be a perfect situation to draft a QB and have him spend a year, or two, or three. Hell, he’s not going anywhere, someone is going to need to play LT and put a Theisman like hit on him to get him off the field. Plus the last time a young QB was drafted to eventually replace Favre, the transition was seamless.
Seaturds-
Yeah they need a QB but they are going to be picking right below us. We may not get much in return from them to drop just a few spots.
49ers-
You believe in Shaun Hill? Me neither. I don’t know this team well so I don’t know what they really need but, dropping to where they should be picking, 9-15ish, would be nice.
Bears-
BINGO. Good defense, good o-line, finally a good running back. Grossman has been good but not great and this could be a good opportunity to upgrade. Plus they may be interested in taking Crabtree. Bears may be picking a little low but I’d still pull the trigger on this one.
Vikings-
SHAZAM. See Bears right up, change Tavaris/Frerotte for Grossman.
Cincinasty-
Is everyone giving up on Palmer? Is he the rich man’s Brodie? This team has more problems than QB, plus they’ll be picking right behind us so I don’t see it happening.
Panthers-
Another good possibility. I am still shocked that Delhomme (pronounced Day-la-hommie) is an NFL QB. Same sort of surprise I felt when Oakland actually signed Sweeney a few years ago. Plus this team is good so the QB wouldn’t need to come in and be a hero from the get go.
Buccaneers-
JACKPOT. This could be the best fit. Gruden loves him some QB’s. Jeff Garcia keeps pulling overachieving seasons out of his ass but how much longer can one expect that to happen? Strong possibility here, especially if Gruden falls for one of them.
I think the Buccs, Panthers, Vikings, and Bears are the most eligible trade partners. If I was the new GM I’d start sweet talking these teams as soon as the season ends. Thoughts?
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Kyle Orton is the Bears QB
And it appears he’ll get an extension. The Jets have Kellen Clemens (I’m sure he’s not THE guy but is he good enough to deter them from drafting another QB?).
I like the Vikings idea….
by Joel Thorman on Dec 23, 2008 9:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I meant Neckbeard but wrote Grossman
I’m a huge Pac-10 sympathizer and even I say that Clemens is a joke.
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 23, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Orton
He’s struggled in the last few weeks, the other teams seem to have figured him out so I’m not sure the Bears will be looking to build around him. I think they’ll very much be in the Donovan McNabb hunt (since McNabb will likely be getting cut for cap reasons). I doubt the Bears will want to trade up, though…they’ll roll the dice with Orton as the short-term (possibly long-term) solution and probably draft one of the second tier QBs.
Kellen Clemens is probably not going to pan out. Strong arm, crap accuracy, not much else. But the Jets are already looking to lose their second rounder for the Favre trade so I don’t see them trading up with us.
Vikings have got age issues on their line so they’ll need to draft replacements, plus they’ll be in the McNabb hunt so I don’t see them trading up to get a QB.
Panthers are in pretty good shape without a young QB so I think they stand pat and go for a second-tier guy to develop. Doubt they’ll trade either.
Basically, I think the trend of nobody trading up into the top five continues and we end up with one of the top three players in the draft. And I think that’s a good thing for us…we could use that impact player.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Orton
has 1.5 receiving targets on that team right now…
1 is Olsen the TE – best receiver on the team by a longshot
.5 is Hester – still developing as a WR, but not worth calling a legit 1 or 2 even though he’s played as one. At this point he’s almost like Dante Hall was to us in his prime.
I give Orton a pass because he is playing with the worst WR corps in the league. I’ve seen him put up some beautiful deep shots that Featherstone, er, Hester can’t seem to bring in even though he has a 7 step lead on the nearest defender.
I think they’ll resign Orton and look for some WR talent in this upcoming draft, they need it desperately.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 24, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Purely hypothetical of course
But would you trade our first rounder for Jared Allen straight up?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 23, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him a BJ to come back here
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 23, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
I hope your either female or drunk
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 23, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, the drunk still doesn't cover that...
by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ashamed
I miss his musk, and his pass rushing ability. It will go down in history as one of the worse blunders in KC-Peterson era. I don’t care how good the players we got for him are gonna be. He was the face of out defense and our franchise and we let him go. That being said, the BJ is a little far-fetched…but you get the idea about how badly i think we screwed up on that one.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 24, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're terribly wrong.
Not caring about the return is stupid. It’s like saying you are sad to sell your 1999 Toyota Camry because of sentimental value and it was what people thought of when they thought of your car, nevermind the fact t hat you got an ’05 Mercedes in return. But I want the old car!
I mean, come on. We got an awesome LT-of-the-future in Branden Albert, a key cog of our offensive machine in Jamaal Charles, a potential defensive star in Dajuan Morgan and even a returner in Kevin Robinson. All for a guy that, if he has too much to drink and drives and gets busted for it, I’ll take that every day of the week.
I loved Jared Allen, but losing him isn’t terrible if we had someone, anyone, to replace him. Just because our D-LIne Coach and D-Coordinator are completely idiotic and don’t know how to use the crop of defensive linemen we have doesn’t mean that it was necessarily a bad trade.
by rockchalk on Dec 24, 2008 1:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's About Right
Jared Allen is a unique talent (and he would be the ‘05 Mercedes) but on the other hand my initial impression is that we did okay in return (although the jury’s obviously still out…I’ll be less forgiving if those players don’t work out). My biggest regret about the trade was that Peterson’s pathological need to be an abrasive asshole for no apparent reason (or benefit for the Chiefs) forced it to happen.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 24, 2008 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Albert becomes a Pro-Bowl LT
but Morgan and Charles never Pan out, was the Allen trade worth it?
I think so…what about you UC?
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 24, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If We Get One Pro Bowler Out Of The Deal
I’ll say it was a wash. If Albert becomes a Pro Bowler at LT and either Charles or Morgan turns into a long-term starter then I’ll say it was worth it. If both become long-term starters I’ll say we came out ahead.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 24, 2008 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be worth it in spite of Charles/Morgan
only because I think a ProBowl LT is both a bigger value and harder to find than a ProBowl DE.
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 24, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Bit
But Jared Allen has been a really good Pro Bowl DE. Opening the 2007 season he was one sack off the pace of Bruce Smith. Those kind of players are extremely tough to find.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 24, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Opening the 2008 season I mean.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 24, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
assumption is futility
jared allen has 50 tackles, 14.5 sacks, and a couple safeties THIS year! Our ENTIRE defense has only 6 sacks this season. That IS the difference in close ballgames and, with the state of the AFC west, we could be playing for a divisional title this year, not next year or the year after that or, as everyone else that’s on the “rebuild team” forecasts, even farther along the horizon. 9 losses this year decided by 10 points or less. 1 player, 1 play could’ve given us those games. Ask the Vikings if Allen is worth it, I think you know the answer.
by cx2chad on Dec 25, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the respective value doesn't fit the players.
I was just saying that it is stupid to completely disregard the return value.
by rockchalk on Dec 24, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what really irks me about the situation..
He wanted to be here, CP was just being a dick. How does he look now giving a hood-rat larry johnson big money to spit in girls’ faces and be out of shape/hurt/ineffective the last few years and JA is DOMINATING and only getting better.
I’m not saying the return was terrible, just not worth it. I think we lost more off the field and “in the huddle” than we gained on the field with those picks. JA was a great leader and motivator, something this team has sorely missed this year, plus he just brought that extra something to the table…that “it” like some QB’s have…call it desire, or heart he f*cking had it and he hasn’t lost it, even with $72mil…thats rare.
Now, if Albert, Morgan, and Charles become pro-bowlers (or even 2 out of 3) i may be swayed here. I think Albert will be (sans any catastrophic injury), Charles is destined to be a 3rd down/Reggie Bush type the rest of his career and Morgan i don’t have anything to say about cause i didn’t see him play much, although i am pretty psyched about his tendency to be around the ball. So just like evaluating a draft it may take a couple of years to figure this out. Meanwhile if JA has a couple more 12+ sack seasons and Albert is the only one really making a contribution (which is plausible) i will think CP screwed the pooch on the deal.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 25, 2008 1:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
J/K.I knew what you "intent"was!
But still, it doesn’t cover it!
by TheQ on Dec 24, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Champ
Why don’t you sit a few plays out
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The interesting part is that
teams may be trying to trade up, not for Bradford/Stafford, but for Crabtree. This post could be completely redone to reflect the same scenario. I see the Lions taking a QB no matter what and the Rams will probably go after Oher/Monroe. That leaves us with probably Stafford/Crabtree/M.Johnson/Orakpo as the picks and Crabtree will be highly coveted based on what C Johnson is doing in Detroit with no QB.
by dkugler838 on Dec 23, 2008 9:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
If teams weren’t jumping over themselves to trade up for Calvin Johnson (better prospect at WR) then I don’t think they will for Crabtree.
WR in the 1st round is usually not a good value. Teams won’t be trying to trade up for him IMO.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 23, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am speaking with the assumption
that teams are going to trade up to get our pick. Basically I’m saying if they do want to jump to our spot it’ll be for Crabtree b/c Bradford will be gone. I am guess though, that you’re right.
by dkugler838 on Dec 23, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not to say
You’ll get some desperate team who needs help at WR who will trade up. I just don’t see it happening based on past history.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 23, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bradford's not on the board
then we definitely should trade down. We’re still rebuilding and another year of two 1st rounders is a good start on building a team through the draft. And to answer your question about the Skins, yes, yes I am impressed with Jason Campbell. He’s their QBTOF. Zorn has the ability that could develop Brian Waters into a QB ; ^ )
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 23, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why are people so
enamoured with a freaking spread system QB? I thought it wasn’t a viable option in the NFL? I just can’t stand Bradford either… He reminds me of a younger, zittier Phillip Rivers.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
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by IISaiNtII on Dec 23, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For one, I think it is entirely possible for the spread to work in the NFL.
And secondly, I think nearly all scouts agree that Bradford has the tools to make the transition to a more traditional pro offense. Last year, OU ran a lot more pro-style sets, so he even has some experience in it.
by rockchalk on Dec 23, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I see the spread in various forms throughout a few teams in the league and it’s been run with success. It was only inevitable before it transitioned from college to the pros with as many schools that use it. I stated it as a question for all the people who are saying it’s not a viable offense option in the NFL.
I just don’t like Bradford though, not sure why honestly.
But he’s not declared, so it seems like a moot point to argue him as a prospect at this point.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Dec 23, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I think Bradford is okay, but not really a top five pick IMO.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 23, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The guy is still young to football (21 year old sophomore?wtf?). I’m not getting my panties twisted for anyone until we see who the new GM hire is, and what he does with the rest of the organization under his control. I think we can see a direction on what the teams draft may focus towards when that happens.
Personally, I like Laurinaitis/Orakpo as the 2nd/3rd pick.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Dec 24, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not Orakpo
I forgot he got hurt. I don’t like hurt people… especially not after this season.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Dec 24, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible
Rivers is the douche bag that is wrapped around countless other douche bags… he cannot be out-douched – zits or not.
Rivers is the Highlander of douche bags… there can be only one.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 24, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we
If we do trade down IMO we should not trade down any farther then the 10 to 15 pick, and maybe not drop out of the top 10.
by DLChiefs on Dec 23, 2008 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of trading down
And grabbing one of those linebackers (Cushing, Laurinities, Malauga), maybe taking George Selvie, and then possibly taking QB Mark Sanchez in round two if he’s still available.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 23, 2008 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thing Is
Teams very rarely trade down from the top five. The asking price for that pick is simply too high.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, the asking price is too high for most teams
As I remember, the Chiefs got a decent offer from New Orleans to move up (1st round ’09 + 7th rounder ’08?, help me Draftniks), but declined because they felt Dorsey was too good a prospect to pass up, and they had 12 picks already. HINDSIGHT. Unless something really good shakes down on Draft Day I see us taking BPA period. Looks like that is a OT. (sans Bradford)
by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They Didn't Offer Two First Rounders For Dorsey
Can’t remember for sure what they offered but it was initially reported during the draft it was two first rounders (‘08 and ’09 to move up) and Carl Peterson said afterwards that wasn’t true and that if the Saints had offered both first round picks the Chiefs would have taken the deal. I think it was the ‘08 first and a 3rd or 4th rounder…possibly in ’09. I just remember thinking it wasn’t that great.
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by UCrawford on Dec 23, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely could be wrong on that
I heard it 2 different ways on what was offered. Where is PT when you need him? If it was just a 3rd or 4th, I agree, not so great.
by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/4/26/461057/draft-day-live-blog
It wouldn’t link for some reason. If this is accurate it was the Saint’s 1st and their ’09 2nd rounder.
by TheQ on Dec 23, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think That Was Right
And I don’t think that it would have been worth it to us.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 24, 2008 1:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True, Dorsey could still end up
being a Pro Bowl DT. Especially if we get some new coaching and scheme in there.
by TheQ on Dec 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Just something to explore, but you’re probably right.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 24, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams very rarely trade down from the top five. The asking price for that pick is simply too high.
Unless you’re the Saints and want to get Ricky Williams. You then you give all your picks (including some the following year) for the Ricky and your draft day is done ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 24, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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