"The team drafted (DT Glenn) Dorsey and (DE Tamba) Hali — two of the last four top picks would become obsolete. It would just set back the franchise even further. Those things should be considered, but who says they will be?
"Look at when (Eric) Mangini came to the Jets. They were a 4-3 scheme. They ran off (John) Abraham and (Jonathan) Vilma and (Dewayne) Robertson. That’s three first-round picks off your ‘D.’ It’s hard to replace that production. … You run off talent, and you’re not going to find anything like it on the street."
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You run off talent, and you’re not going to find anything like it on the street."
How quickly we forget Dan Saleaumua!
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Is Dan still playing?
Just because you found one guy 20 years ago doesn’t mean they are going to do it today and with this team.
What about 1/2 the starters we have now.
Being facetious of course about the volume, but teh Chiefs have pillaged the practice sqauds of other teams and pounded pavement to fill roster spots this season… to the approval of some people… a few people actually started believing these guys were decent players bound to become starters again!
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
I'm cutting Clark slack now
much, much moreso than I was before the Peterson ‘firing’. His interview and the press releases suggest to me he was as much behind the rebuilding effort if not more than Herm. We ALL wanted the rebuild and agreed it was the right thing to do. Clark’s a savy business man and realisically more brilliant than I or many of us ever will be. He knew the rebuild needed to be done with this team. He worked with what he had/inherited and appears to be taking the further steps to complete this process and get rid of deadweight coaches. I don’t see our last 3 years of draft being wasted and that Clark is looking for someone to pickup where Herm is essentially leaving off.
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 22, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions
Other's are hearing what we have been saying
Added a longtime pro talent evaluator: "Herm is always in the news, talking about nothing. Just say your team is not playing good. He’s always blaming and pointing the finger. Good (leaders) take the blame."
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I'm a long time pro talent evaluator
I think Bill Bellichick is a horrible coach and think the Chiefs should sign Denny Green to a 5 year contract because he is so brilliant in his handling of the media.
Seriously, what NFL professional would give a crap about what a coach says at a press conference? That comment sounds like someone lifted a comment from someone on this forum.
well DJ
I am the one who posted it, are you insinuating something I should take notice of?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Just that
when you are dealing with anonymous sources and vague titles like “long time pro talent evaluator” it could be some Joe standing outside Arrowhead with a “Fire Herm and Carl” sign.
The way they word it makes it sound as though it carries more weight than it does.
And there it is
a quote about Herm from another talent evaluator, wasn’t there one earlier about him watching 10 minutes of tape then going on, and on about what that guy could do in his system, and not really say anything?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Or maybe the small world of the NFL
a league employee doesn’t want to alienate himself from future jobs. You can’t discredit something just because you don’t agree with it or like it. I think it’s pretty obvious that what the guy said is true, so it’s really a non-issue who said it.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
Isn't Hali pretty much obsolete already?
And doesn’t Dorsey have the size to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme?
Depends on how much
you blame the coaching staff.
the right coaches can improve usage, and training, and bring out the best in a player. They can also make matters worse – such as moving Hali to the opposite side of the D-line.
One will note that in this day and age, when it comes to free agency and contracts, all teams place a premium on retaining the talent they have in-house. I presume there’s a reason for that.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 22, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't say that
Hali has shown he can be an effective LE – especially with someone solid playing RE.
I don’t think Dorsey has the size to play NT in a 3-4. You need a big body in there – think Jamaal Williams in SD or Shaun Rogers in Cleveland. Those guys are around 6’4" and up in the 350lb weight range. Dorsey is around 6’0" and plays near 300 lbs. He would actually be a better fit for DE in a 3-4, and he could shed a few pounds that would lend to improving his quickness. Olshansky and Castillo – DE’s for San Diego are both around Dorsey’s weight, but taller.
Hali would be a real stretch for DE in a 3-4 – and is probably too slow to play OLB in a 3-4 and lacks coverage skills. He could be an exclusive rush LB but that limits your scheme in a 3-4 where the point is to confuse them with multiple looks and blitzes from different personnel.
I’m a fan of the 3-4, but a well run 4-3 can be just as effective. Look at Tennesee – one of the best D’s in the league and running 4-3. Chicago and Tampa are also pretty solid 4-3 teams. I think KC isn’t that far from having a team that can run a good 4-3… but we need to drop this Tampa 2 zone crap. I like Tennessee’s scheme. I’d love to see Jim Schwartz come to KC (like mentioned in the BBS article on rebuilding).
by Ochophosphate on Dec 22, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
I like the 4-3
it works well for TN and the Giants, but I think a 3-4 may be the way to go in the NFL where most teams run a single-back O with either two tight ends or a slot. The 3-4 give you more options to blitz and/or cover the extra receivers. However, I agree our current personnel fits a 4-3 better. We don’t have nearly enough good LBs for 3-4 and our D line would be undersized. Either way, our current D stinks and the new GM and head coach should feel free to blow it up and rebuild it in their image. Since Hali is coming to the end of his rookie contract, the only thin stopping a 3-4 look is Dorsey’s contract. But we could keep him as a pass rusher in nickel and dime packages (if he sheds some pounds to get faster).
by Chiefs4Life on Dec 23, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Forgive all the typos
That’s what happens when you don’t proofread before you post. I sound like a pretty big idiot.
by Chiefs4Life on Dec 23, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
"Running Off Talent"
Abraham was a terrible guy to get rid of but Vilma and Robertson really weren’t. Vilma had potentially serious knee issues and has been solid but not great for New Orleans and the Jets got two picks for him…which was a good return for a linebacker with knee problems entering a contract year, especially since one of those picks will now be a third-rounder.
Robertson hasn’t done a lot to help the Denver Broncos’ defense this year and the Jets got a conditional pick that could go as high as a second rounder.
So “running off talent” isn’t always a bad thing, if you’ve got a GM that knows how to get decent return for those players.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Abraham wouldn't have worked in a 3-4
he’s too small to play DE in a 3-4, and isn’t suited to play OLB in a 3-4 either. While I agree that he is the best of that group to get cut from the Jets, I can understand why they let him go. I can’t remember if he was traded or just lost through FA. For some reason it seems like he was lost through FA. I could be wrong.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 23, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I Think He Left As A Free Agent
And the Jets didn’t franchise him.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
And that's the ticket
So "running off talent" isn’t always a bad thing, if you’ve got a GM that knows how to get decent return for those players.
Edwards (in his prime), Joe Horn, Kawika Mitchell, John Tait, Tony Richardson…the list goes on and on and on…. but THAT’S over!!!
What was that saying?
VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!!
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year. He can compete for the job and be happy to be 3rd string or 2nd (if he's lucky). He is 1st string for dry-humping skeletons.
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