to Damon Huard.

If his first receiver is covered he will force it. Yesterday he did that a couple of times and it got picked. If you look at a lot of the games he has started, he has been lucky. It is catching up with him now. In past games there were a lot of interceptions that were dropped and he got a way with a little. Now that teams are getting a look at him that is not the case.

Why does everyone on the internet think that if they say “Period” after an argument that that somehow solves it? Some other great examples..

“There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Period.”
“Taking on the Russian front in December is a great strategy. Period.”
“The earth is flat. Period.”

So you want to just keep drafting QBs until we find Petyon Manning. That’s really your argument? Really? Really? That’s the plan? How long do you give them? Six months? You’re giving Tyler three. So what, six months, tops? That’s the plan?

He actually threw to several different receivers early and then he and Tony found a rhythm. He should be throwing to Bowe and Gonzalez. They are our best players.

So who’s the answer, Truth? Who’s the guy that’s obviously the HOFer we’re waiting on? What’s the magic formula that no one’s figured out yet? Enlighten me.

Oakland counts…in so much as QBs ever win games.

All I know is that every coach on this team has coached in the NFL for many years and have not historically had teams that were much worse in the 2nd half than they were in the 1st.

Tyler comes out on fire in the 1st half, maybe thats because those are the plays they’ve practiced all week and he’s got the script down. But when it comes to the second half when they are making adjustments and maybe calling on plays he hasn’t been practicing all week he flounders.

Yes its the coachs job to coach, but you blaming every players failure purely on coaching is not holding the player, who is the person actually on the field playing the game, responsible for holding up his part. The player has to be able to translate what he is being coached onto the field. Maybe that is a weakness of his. But since everyone has it out for the coaching staff, they are ready to give the players a free pass when they are the ones that have to perform.

When he was averaging 100-200 yards, TDs and zero INTs? Those don’t count because they weren’t last Sunday against a freaking potential division winner?

“He’ll never be a good quarterback.”
Then, “He’ll never play that way two games in a row.”
Then, “Yeah, but let’s see him keep it up.”
Then, “Yeah, but he hasn’t won a single game.”
Now, “Yeah, but it’s the system.”

Why is it guys who are in the game, both on the team and outside of it (Cowher, Dawson, etc.) love the guy but we think he sucks?

A new coach may very well bring with him a new scheme. And Thigpen may not be able to adapt to a new scheme. He looked horrible until they installed the spread.

I do think he deserves a shot no matter what happens, though…but if the new coach finds a candidate he likes better I’m not going to be too upset. It’s still a 2-13 team, after all.

`You know how I know that? Because my entire job functions around statitstics. If you’d like, i can go back and generate some stats that will make him look brilliant, but it would be just as much of a base exaggeration as what you’re doing. Basketball and baseball are sports where stats mean a lot and there’s a lot to read out of them. Football’s not that way. It’s all contextual. There’s too many moving parts, and all of them have to function together.

Saying “LOOK! HE’S 25TH! HE SUCKS! NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT HE PLAYS ON A WRETCHED TEAM WHO’S PRIMARY STAR RECEIVER HAS ISSUES WITH THE ONE THING HE’S PAID TO DO WHICH IS CATCH THE BALL AND HIS DEFENSE IS IN ESSENCE A VACCUMOUS BLACK HOLE OF SUCK! HE’S 25TH! THE GUYS THAT ARE 26-30 ARE CLEARLY WORSE THAN HIM! HE SUCCCCCCK!!!!!!!!”

Put Tyler Thigpen on the Patriots and let’s see what happens. My money says they’re right where they are now. Why? Belichek’s system could make you into a Pro Bowler. That’s what happens when you have an amazing offensive line and a fantastic scheme. We all thought LJ was the best running back in the league. But when he didnt’ have that line, it didn’t really look that way, did it?

Truth, you want to throw some more personal comments at me? I’m responding to your claims and treating it as a conceptual argument.

Or do you want to just throw some unqualified stats at me and say “Period.” some more?

the main guy i’ve been battling here.

Some time? How long has he really had, UC? And yeah, absolutely, if Bradford falls to us you take him. But do you want to pay Stafford a bajillion dollars and then watch Tyler beat him out because he has chemistry with the guys and understands the offense (or if there’s a new coach, he simply develops and gets better).

I’m fine with legit competition. But I think wasting a pick in this draft when we have a “tolerable to decent” quarterback at worst is a big mistake when they’re just going to have the same problem Thigpen has. OUR DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE LINE SUCKS.

to learn from others. It’s refreshing instead of taking an arrogant stand of thinking I am the know all be all…lol. Your name is so appropriate.

I’m bringing this up to you because Truth uses those things too and I think you’ll find that you guys will be able to have a much better class of discussion if you relax a little bit and stop misstating his position.

Not to attack you, Matt, because I do enjoy our discussions and you bring up a lot of great points, but you do seem to have this pattern where you pick needless fights with people at the first encounter mainly because you don’t know them and not because they’re making bad arguments. Not that I don’t fall prey to similar habits myself. :)

Since it’s the last capped year and they can’t afford the contract hit it would take to trade or waive him. Beyond that who knows?*

As for Thigpen, I’m personally not in favor of drafting anyone but Bradford in the first round. Any of the other QBs I think would be better gambles with a second-rounder or third (in which case it’s not a problem to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft). If Bradford’s not available I’m more interested in the team building infrastructure (the lines). Can’t speak for Truth, of course, but I believe he’s said the same thing…can’t remember how he felt about Matthew Stafford (the apparent #2 QB in this draft).

*When I said earlier that Bulger would be in St. Louis for at least two more years I did so operating under the premise there’d be a 2010 salary cap…but of course that’s not a certainty at all.

I’m just trying to understand.

The stats don’t lie. Just help me to udnerstand what you were getting at. Because you were saying I didnt’h ave any evidence to support my arguments and you did. You said you had numbers. The number 25. Which is really the only number you have. I’m just trying to understand what you’re getting at.

My position isn’t really different from Truth’s…we agree most of the time. He’s a bit more skeptical about Thigpen’s ceiling but he doesn’t think we should dump him either.

Sometimes you just need to calm down and read what the other guy’s saying without “reading into it”. You’ll often find there’s less disagreement there than you initially thought.

Franchise QBs. Just saying.

Think of how many teams have won with less than stellar QBs. Anyone here really think Eli is the model of a franchise QB? Look at his numbers.