Where the Chiefs' Rookies Rank
by Chris Thorman on Dec 19, 2008 8:17 AM CST
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PrintTwo games to go for the Kansas City Chiefs. It's the Dolphins this weekend and then to Cincinnati to play the Bengals. I figured now is as good a time as any to get some perspective on how our rookies are performing relative to the rest of the NFL.
We all have heard the cliche about not being able to judge a draft until three years have passed. That caveat still applies so remember that in your replies.
Glenn Dorsey (Against rookie DTs and DEs)
- T-1st in tackles (38)
- 2nd in solo tackles (29)
- 2nd in assisted tackles (9)
Brandon Flowers (Against all rookie CBs)
- 6th in tackles (58)
- 4th in solo tackles (52)
- T-4th in INTs (2)
Brandon Carr (Against all rookie CBs)
- 1st in tackles (66)
- 1st in solo tackles (63)
- T-4th in INTs (2)
Jamaal Charles (Against all rookie RBs)
- 12th in rushing attempts (61)
- 15th in rushing attempts per game (4.4)
- 10th in rushing yards (333)
- 0 rushing TDs this season so he's tied with a lot of people
- 11th in rushing first downs (15)
Brad Cottam (7 catches), Dajuan Morgan (21 tackles T-40th), Will Franklin (7 catches) and the rest of our draft class hasn't made a significant impact in terms of NFL numbers.
It's tough to quantify Albert's impact relative to the rest of the NFL. Actually, I don't want to do the leg work to manually search for and compare offensive linemen stats. For some reason, I can't find a good comprehensive source for info like that.
Factoring in the throwaway picks in the later rounds, the Chiefs' draft is still looking about as well in December as it did in April.
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The Question Is
What will those numbers look like in relation to the rest of the league next season?
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Do you think
Carr has more upside than flowers? I had a friend say," Flowers looks good". I said ," I guess you haven’t seen Carr yet".
So Far Yes
But Flowers missed a few games this year and that skewed his numbers. I like both of them, in any case.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Also
You can make the argument that Carr gets thrown to more often as well, because teams are avoiding Flowers.
by Chris Thorman on Dec 19, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
There has to be a stat for that somewhere
Right?
by Chris Thorman on Dec 19, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
Times thrown at?
I don’t play, but I thought the ESPN Fantasy leagues had that statistic. I have trouble finding it anywhere.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 19, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
I Believe There Are
Haven’t got time today to look it up, but I think it’s tracked how many times teams throw at individual corners.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Because He Was A DB
That’d be my guess. Despite my criticism of Herm as a head coach I agree he seems to have an eye for DB talent. He’d probably make a good DB coach. In fact, he said something on “Hard Knocks” that made me think he’d prefer that. I suspect that as a head coach he’s simply fallen victim to the Peter Principle and that he’d be much more successful in a job that’s not so “big picture”.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
I think Head coach was a reach for Herm.
He’s not well rounded enough, so it won’t be long. “Hard Knocks” is what we’ve had to sit through with Herm leading the team.
Peter principle
Employees are promoted to their level of incompetency.
by Chris Thorman on Dec 19, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
That's The Dilbert Principle :)
The Peter Principle is better explained that a worker is promoted beyond his level of competence or into a position to which his skills are ill-suited. If you’ve regularly watched “The Office”, Michael Scott is an example of the Peter Principle. Scott was a great salesman who was rewarded for his production by being promoted to run his branch, but the ability to manage people is different than the ability to sell product so he became a subpar employee even though he’s still just as smart as he ever was, he’s working in a job where he’s made to look incompetent because it’s a poor fit for him. That’s why good employees are often better served not by promotion but by other incentives.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Peter Principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
Although as I recall it, Peter noted that competence may not be linear. In football terms, someone who can’t play the game at the pro level may well pick up his competence as a talent scout, and up to GM, f’rex.
The Flip side is the Dilbert Principle, in short: kick the incompetents upstairs, & keep them away from the productive people. Dr. Peter noted something to this effect regarding prestige promotions of high-level execs promoted to meaningless VP positions, IIRC.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 21, 2008 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
Hey... Theres a thought.
When Herm gets let go (since he knows he missed out on the San Diego State job), he’ll be at Clark’s feet, begging for a job.
“Defense? DB’s? Assistant DB’s? Accounts Payable? JANITOR!?!?! PLEASE CLARK!!!!”
Then maybe Clark will convince Bill Cowher to let him be the DB’s Coach.
We may be "playing to win the game", but it seems like we're coaching to lose.
'09, a new era begins.
For the land of the free and the home of the CHIEFS!
Two weeks of Chiefs
football left. That is utterly depressing. Frankly I am not even excited about the prospect of another high draft choice. I think Herm has had his run as the Chiefs head coach. Rebuilding, yes, to coin a phrase, that is a good thing. However, even though the team has made modest gains on offense, the defense is still pathetic. I thought Herm was supposed to be a defensive “brain”. Maybe not so much with the defenses mired at the bottom of the NFL. I want to be excited about the team. Sayonara, Herm. Its been good to know you, but you have sucked long enough. Lets get a real coach and play some real football.
Testify!!!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
It occurrs to me...
Herm’s greatest weakness may well be in selecting and managing his coaching staff. If that is the case, then Carl failed horribly at his job, insofar as managing his HC, recognizing his strengths & weaknesses, and making sure he has the tools to have success.
Case in point: Solari. He appeared to be competent enough as O-line coach, and he shared Herm’s vision for a power running game, so Carl (loyal to his people) allowed the promotion, rather than bring in someone else. We all saw how well that worked. Solari didn’t have the skills, and Herm didn’t have the tools to bail him out, either. Second example: Cunningham. Herm was dtermined to run the C2/T2 style of D, and Gun had little experience running that. His success was with blitzing, man-on-man style Ds. Carl’s guy, and Herm’s scheme, and they selected between them someone who was unsuited to the D. Rather than admitting error by either man, Gun is left shouldering the blame.
Chan, OTOH, was eft with a Offensive ruin by mid-season, and no one could deny it. So by a strange twist of fate, he was allowed to bring his skills to bear, and build an O that was rather more effective. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Herm had told Gun to re-vamp the D in his own way at the same time. The conversation here might well be different.
Just a thought.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 21, 2008 1:52 AM CST up reply actions
I have been ready
for a coaching change, for a couple of years now.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Hey what blazers?
Might be able to draft, but cannot coach his way out of a wet paper bag. My opinion the jury is still out on his drafting.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Again my opinion
May not be all Gunther, could be Herms’ cover two that Gun is uncomfortable with.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Hire Marty and throw some money at Dick LeBeau
We should have a bunch of cash ear-marked by Carl for some high-priced, past-his-prime, doesn’t-want-to-be-in-kc free agent. use that to hire these guys
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
I think LeBeau is the best D Coordinator in the league
But I think he is 71 or 72, I doubt he wants to leave his #1 ranked defense to come to the Chiefs, even for more money.
Interesting to see these stats, Chris.
It would also be interesting to do the same with our RFA’s like Legget, Barth, etc.
We will
Remember….the offseason is loooong.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 19, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Flowers/Carr combination will be deadly in a few years.
The NFL will bow down to our secondary.
Is the high number of tackles indicative of their talent
or does it simply reflect that they spend a lot of time on the field?
I like those players, but the tackles stat seems meaningless.
They're not the end all be all
of how their rookie year is going. But it’s about all we got to compare them to the rest of the league’s rookie.
Take them for what they’re worth.
by Chris Thorman on Dec 21, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
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