Herm Edwards and Others Knew Carl Peterson was Leaving
by Chris Thorman on Dec 17, 2008 7:16 AM CST
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So fiendish by Clark Hunt. I love it.
Edwards was among an exclusive and guarded group of Chiefs employees who had known for months that Peterson would not be with the team beyond this season. Edwards said Peterson and chairman Clark Hunt had ongoing discussions about the manner in which Peterson would exit, and only a few of the highest-ranking team officials were in on the secret.
I read this and I realize that Clark Hunt has been a much stronger owner behind the scenes than any of us ever realized. Him and Herm are close it appears.
Edwards said he was continually informed about where Peterson’s future stood. The coach has said he speaks often with Hunt, so he was not astonished when Hunt met with Edwards on Monday and told him the decision had been made.
For a man described as disinterested in running the organization, Clark Hunt has come out with a bang. I feel like we've learned so much about the guy over the last two days that I'm even more excited moving forward now.
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disappointing
this is actually a bit disappointing, because it implies that we are stuck with Herm for at least another year no matter who is the next GM
by paxi on Dec 17, 2008 7:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
but it does seem likely Herm would stay on board.
by Vince D on Dec 17, 2008 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe i'm one of the last ones
but i’m not opposed to herm staying on for next year. and I like hunt even more if he does keep herm, a man sticks to his guns and doesn’t bail on his promise of reforming this team with youth. if he dumps herm now then this last year is a waste.
"stuck in Dallas"
by johnnyo_99 on Dec 17, 2008 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
er - let me correct - not opposed to herm leaving next year
"stuck in Dallas"
by johnnyo_99 on Dec 17, 2008 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Herm back next year
I think it’s important. He may not survive next year though. Three straight losing seasons is crap.
by Chris Thorman on Dec 17, 2008 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think next year is when Herm’s performance gets evaluated.
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 17, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT
he has to change some of his coaches now.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 17, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Gun...
I think it would be a better idea to fire the Cover-2, and let Gun build his own D, his own way. After that, if the D still sucks, replace him. Can’t speak to the assistants – I don’t know enough about them, most especially which ones are Herm’s guys, and which are Gun’s.
Pretty much the same with Gailey. Chan had trouble running a power-running O this season. When given the freedom to change to something else, it got more effective. (even though they still fail to recognize that the O cannot play to protect a lead, yet.) Next season, let Chan do his thing, and if the wheels come off, out the door.
Predicated, of course, on the notion that Herm’s still HC next season.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 17, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree that next year is when Herm’s performance gets evaluated and the decision is made as to whether he stays around for a few more years via a new contract or is shown the door.
They knew coming into this year that this is the type of season we’d be looking at. They may not’ve known it’d be this bad, but they knew it’d be bad. And, Clark has made it clear that he’s on board with what Herm is doing and that the final decision on retaining Herm is his and his alone.
( And, hey, a number of our losses have come in the last two minutes of the game — San Diego, the Jets, Tampa Bay — so, a few things break a different way and this year looks a lot different, too. )
I’d be perfectly alright with an overhaul of the Defensive staff, though. I think a lot of the reason why Gunther is still here is because of Carl Peterson’s allegiance to people who’ve been with the organization in the past. It might well be time to cut ties there and see what we can find to replace him …
by JacinB on Dec 17, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I especially agree with your last statement on GUN
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 17, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
let Herm coach the team next season this way more of “his” players will be in the system so the evaluation of his perfromance would be clearer and this way we can see if the players drafted this year improve over the offseason. And why not bring in a D-Coordinator that actually knows how to run the Cover-2 defense.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 17, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"why not bring in a D-Coordinator
that actually knows how to run the Cover-2 defense."
Because the C2 sucks? ;-)
Any stats guys out there want to lay out how many Ds are running the C2 this year, and how they stack up against their opponents?
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 17, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Right now the T2 is run by INDY, CHI, MINN, and DET"
http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/11146267
They noted KC, but said we were “moving away from it”. Also mentioned are a couple 3-4 T2 variants.
It wasn’t discussed, but one thing the T2/C2 doesn’t do is strike fear in the hearts of the other team’s Offense. Maybe it’s just me, but I prefer attacking Defenses. Imposing your will on the other team is a factor in winning games. Given enough time, the QBs of today can find ways to pick apart the weaknesses of a bend-but-don’t-break D. A QB doesn’t do much of /anything/ when you get in his face & knock him on his ass several times a game.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 17, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do not see how he survives.
The new GM will want his mark on the team immediately.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Dec 17, 2008 8:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like when Herm got here
Getting his own staff.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Dec 17, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Herm came
he kept some of the staff that were already here…remember Solar? =)
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 17, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but
Remember r2-p2? Gailey had to run it for awhile? I do not think it was all Solari, not saying Solari was a good o-coordinator either though, I think Herm tried to force Hermball on these coordinators. On that note, Terry Shea, or Dick Curl, was that a good decision?:)
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Dec 17, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the new GM
has a large say in coaching, do you think he keeps Herm but turns over our entire defensive staff? The offense is showing improvement and unless we pull off the Patriots-to-Chiefs trifecta I think it is possible the offensive side doesn’t get touched. But the defense needs a complete overhaul. A new D coordinator, a new linebacker coach, and most definitely a new D line coach. We consider retaining the secondary coach (even though our safeties blow their assignments far too often).
by Chiefs4Life on Dec 17, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This would be acceptable to me.
Keep Herm in just for continuity, but restructure that D.
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Dec 17, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Would You Want Continuity With A Team That's Won 6 Games In Two Years?
God, I hope Herm’s lying about knowing about Peterson’s fate…if so, he’s just signed his walking papers.
A GM should be given no less than five years on the job to prove his ability. After that he should be removed if it's been more than 2 years since his team made the playoffs or more than three years since his team won a playoff game.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but ...
You’re clearly delusional on just how close Herm and Clark are.
See, Herm is Clark’s guy — to the point that there were a lot of people on the radio yesterday trying to put Herm’s fingerprints on the dagger in Carl’s back. Go read Kent Babb’s story from yesterday about the rift that’d developed between Carl and Herm over the rebuilding process. The stuff that’s been coming out of Arrowhead the past few days makes it pretty apparent that that isn’t just fluff.
It came down to Herm or Carl. Clark made his choice, and you saw who walked. So, no matter who the new GM is, Herm’s gonna be here for a while. Clark’s pretty much already said so — saying that he’d let the new GM have input but that the decision was his and his alone to make and that he backed what Herm was doing.
So, you might as well get used to seeing Herm on the sidelines at Arrowhead. He’s not going anywhere.
by JacinB on Dec 17, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not in the next two weeks...
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 17, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And with that argument
…no one is going to take over the GM job. No one. If the GM doesn’t have the authority to hire anyone he wants in regards to coaching staff than it’s a no brainer that the GM will only be a puppet in KC and Clark will really be the GM in disguise.
I guarantee you that Marty or Pioli or Mayhew WILL NOT take the job as GM unless they are given the authority to bring in their own coaching staff. If that means that Herm stays, so be it…but it’ll be the GM’s call.
Unless Carl hires me and throws a few mil my way and says…you’re not making the call, I am…then I’d take the money for a few years and leave rich ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 17, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I Said
I’ll bet good money with you that Herm’s not going to be coaching here in 2009. Until you’re willing to put your money where your mouth is, I give a crap what you call delusional because you obviously have no faith in your own position and refuse to stand by it.
A GM should be given no less than five years on the job to prove his ability. After that he should be removed if it's been more than 2 years since his team made the playoffs or more than three years since his team won a playoff game.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and the odds makers in Vegas huddle to decide the odds...
film at 11:00
:)
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 17, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
So, you might as well get used to seeing Herm on the sidelines at Arrowhead.
Two weeks ago the Herm and Carl apologists were saying the same thing about Peterson.
A GM should be given no less than five years on the job to prove his ability. After that he should be removed if it's been more than 2 years since his team made the playoffs or more than three years since his team won a playoff game.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...I swear his last step was from the foul line on that slam dunk!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 17, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bull.
I’ll bet good money with you that Herm’s not going to be coaching here in 2009.
You weren’t even willing to put tickets you don’t own to a Super Bowl that doesn’t exist on the line for it.
by JacinB on Dec 17, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$100 Is One Thing
Super Bowl tickets (which would be worth much more than $100) are another thing entirely. Never bet what you’re not willing to lose.
I’m willing to bet the $100 and would honor that bet…if the hypothetical Super Bowl tickets were real there’s not a chance in hell I’d give them up. Just being honest. :)
A GM should be given no less than five years on the job to prove his ability. After that he should be removed if it's been more than 2 years since his team made the playoffs or more than three years since his team won a playoff game.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As For The Bet Itself
If you don’t want to do money, that’s fine…I understand and can respect that. I’d settle for you posting your opinion about Herm Edwards and what he’ll achieve next year for the Chiefs in your signature block, like I just did. Then we can measure up our positions to see who ended up being the delusional one when the 2009 season kicks off.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Done.
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
by JacinB on Dec 17, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
We’ll revisit it once the 2009 season kicks off.
And the nice thing about doing this is that now we don’t have to constantly reargue this point in the meantime (which is what made it such a good idea by Truth).
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take credit
…and 10% of the bet ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 17, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Money
So you get only 10% of the bragging rights. Which, last I checked, has about the same purchasing power as a hefty fart.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 17, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bring a match, light it and keep me warm
I know how to make the best out of a crappy agreement. I had to endure “agreeing” to Carl for 19 years, so I’m used to the smell.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 17, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Herm sucks
He deserves the AXE
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Dec 17, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
now that carl's gone
who knows, maybe all the players hated carl so damn much that they threw the games on purpose. and now that they know he’s going to leave we win the next 2 games easily. that would be sweet.
I do think we need new defensive coaching staff, but i’m affraid it will take another additional losing season to implement. our offense is finaly clicking together. another linemen and we got a fairly good line that can protect the qb and open up some holes for LJ, charles, and thigpen lol. had to throw thigpen in there, he’s our leading rusher.
I hate to say it but even though derrick johnson is a beast of a hitter, I think he’s becoming a flop, he was no where to be found in the chargers game. he misses his assignments and gaps too often. flame me for sayin it, i’m flaming my self. but he needed a break out season this year and didnt deliver it.
by nfamous209 on Dec 17, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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