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Lots of activity around the site tonight so we wanted to make sure that we had enough posts going to satisfy everyone. Primetime and I worked on this together.

What will happen to Herm Edwards?

Herm Edwards' job has been safe regardless of the status of Carl Peterson. Edwards is the Chiefs' head coach at least through next season (DJ disagrees), even though many fans strongly disagree with that being the case. The Chiefs are in the middle of investing in a lot of young players and Clark Hunt understands that consistency in the coaching staff will be key to their development. This isn't a house cleaning. Clark Hunt appears to believe in Herm Edwards and the direction he's taking the Kansas City Chiefs.

Herm will be around next year. Now if we're still talking about four wins this time 2009, Herm may not be with the Chiefs in 2010.

Are the Chiefs headed in a new direction?

The identity of the Chiefs is established by the coaching staff.  During the Schottenheimer days, the Chiefs' strength was on defense, then Vermeil's days consisted of a powerful offense.  The constant between those two years was the GM. The coaching staffs dictate the direction of the team.  With that said, the GM is responsible for hiring (and firing) the head coach.  In spite of that, Clark Hunt insists he will have final say on the fate of the head coach. History says a new GM will ultimately want his own coaching staff. However, since the Chiefs are in the midst of a rebuilding project, the new GM might want to retain Herm to oversee that process.

Is Carl Peterson completely out of the front office?

If you think that the man who has intimately run the front office of the franchise for the last twenty years is going to lift right out of the picture, you're completely crazy. Carl Peterson has been a friend and a colleague of the Hunt family for decades. He will continue to be involved in the decisions of the franchise, whether directly or indirectly. It's possible he also remains on for a time in an official, advisorship (not a word I know) type capacity.

Earlier this fall, Clark Hunt said at the NFL owners meetings that Carl Peterson would be involved in the selection of his successor. So like it or not, Carl Peterson will remain close to the Chiefs for the foreseeable future.

What are Clark Hunt's criteria for a new GM?

  • "Shrewd Evaluator Of Talent" - The new GM will be responsible solely for the football operations which means, essentially, personnel.
  • Experience With Winning Teams - Particularly playoff teams.  While the hiring process will commence in several weeks, playoff teams don't have to give permission for the Chiefs to speak with them until their teams are eliminated from the playoffs.
  • Strong Leader - This is important to establish a sense of unity behind one leader.
  • Effective Communicator - This comes into play during contract negotiations, something which Carl Peterson was incessantly hammered on about.
  • Blends Into The Chiefs Culture - Change the Chiefs into a winning culture.
  • Someone Outside The Organization - This is a critical part of the hiring process.  As Clark said during his press conference, he needs a "fresh set of eyes on the football team and the coaching staff."

Clark Hunt said the search process would take place over the next 6 to 8 weeks. We'll be exploring those possibilities more over the next few days.

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I think this is great news.

Having these duties separated needed to happen long ago.

However, I think Herms tenure here will largely depend on who the next GM may have in mind for a new HC. But it’s all up in the air right now.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

And Clarks criteria

is essentially stolen from an article from PFW several years ago:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2003/gmchecklist121803.htm

Appears they were right :)

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Dividing the responsibilities

Is something that needs to be done. Carl might have been fired a long time ago because of his failures as a GM, but his successes as President and CEO probably far extended his tenure.

Dividing the responsibilities makes much more sense because if the GM aspect is failing you can make a change without disrupting the business side.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 15, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They should have a really nice halftime ceremony for Carl.

Considering that seemed to be the cure-all for bad feelings in the age of Carl, that seems like a nice “gold watch” metaphor for him.

We view it as apropos and mildly ironic, those who loathed him should find it sufficiently hollow, those who liked him should find it adequate by his standards.

More importantly, any intimation at all at who the replacement is???

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 15, 2008 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

But he won’t step foot onto that field for people to either a) throw things at him or b) get cheered for leaving.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I would be interested in it happening just to hear how many boo’s he gets

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 15, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The last time he was on the field at halftime

for a ceremony he was booed pretty loudly. I think that was mid-late last season.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

If They're Going To Do An In-Game Ceremony

It won’t be for a few years…the bitterness will have to fade a lot first. It’s like Dean Smith coming back to Kansas to celebrate the ’52 championship last year…people still booed him for his role in the Roy Williams situation and that was five years before.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's because

Kansas is full of stinky whiners ;)

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget

I pack heat… bitch :))))

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Yeah...Fuck Off :)

But I think you get my point about Carl. They’re not going to put him in a situation to be embarassed if they can help it. And honoring him right after he got fired would be embarassing to him.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

And regardless of what you might think about his last few years, he wouldn’t deserve that. He’s gone, there’s no reason to be angry at him any more.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree about Carl,

I don’t see a tribute to him for quite some time, if ever.

and you know it’s all in good natured ribbing guys :)

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

No Worries, Saint

You can’t help it that you were raised ignorant. :)

Seriously, no worries…I don’t take the MU/KU stuff personally. We all love our schools.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Saint, I honestly want you to know we were just exchanging the ribbing with you.

I do see that it could have been misinterpreted, but I have a pretty good feeling you already know that.

by DThomasReigns on Dec 15, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I know.

But AP went down while I was trying to respond.. No harm no foul boys :)

I think I was trying to post something to the effect of DT is at the top of my “people to kill” list, and UC is married to his stripper sister… I dunno, it was a while ago now, and the funny seems to have wore off in my inncessant need to continually try to get on AP like a monkey pushing a button for a cigarette.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 16, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

that,

or I got a temp ban for namecalling :p

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 16, 2008 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I Would Never Marry My Sister

My brother called dibs. :)

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 16, 2008 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

People who jumped on the bandwagon when the Chiefs started winning in the early 90s forget how abysmal the organization was before Peterson came along. Judging by game attendance, pretty much nobody in KC cared except for the 20,000 folks who showed up to games. People in KC care about the Chiefs now because of Carl Peterson. Did he stay in the job too long? Yes, by at least 5 years if not longer. But there is no doubt Carl had a great impact on the team and the city. He should be honored in some way. Seriously.

by Rev. Slappy on Dec 16, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

If it wasn’t for what he did in the early 90’s, this team may have left KC. But his stay waas about 8 years too long… He should have went when Gun left the first time.

The people got what they wanted, like UC said, it’s time to stop hating the man. He gave it his best and it didn’t work. Time to move on.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 16, 2008 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Please no.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I should have elaborated.

Cowher is a recognizable face. What qualities has he shown that he could be a good GM?

Is he an effective communicator? No. Watch the pregame shows, he stumbles over his words alot when disagreed with. Not a good thing for contract negotiations or disagreements with anyone in general. Plus I’ve heard he spits alot when he talks/screams. So thats no good.

Can he evaluate talent? I can’t answer that, because I have no clue who was doing the drafting for the Steelers.

He seems to fit most of the other criteria, but I think those are two huge ones that discount him.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hang on just a minute.....

We need a fresh, proven talent evaluator. We HAVE to have someone who will avoid the Ryan Sim’s of the world. Cowher was a great coach, but is he a top notch evaluator of talent? I don’t know, and am not willing to take that chance.

There has to be someone out there who has the proven track record of solid draft analysis. We can’t guess wrong on this one. Cowher is a familiar name, but is he really the best choice?

by Spruce on Dec 15, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

My fears about Schottenheimer

Though I know he will never be hired as our GM, I don’t understand those that call for a Schotty/Cowher combo. My recollection of the Chiefs under his watch were good teams but those that drafted poorly. I don’t care who it is as long as we start drafting well and becoming teams like Pittsburgh known for getting good mileage out of their picks

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 15, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Someone had to say it. Talk show callers only throw out his name because they have heard of him, but I guarantee you there is a scout with the Patriots or Panthers that they’ve never heard of that is probably way more qualified than Cowher.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 15, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

How will Herm make it?

Any GM who takes on this job is going to want say in who the coach is. Why would a guy come in to run things, when he really cannot run them?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 15, 2008 9:10 PM CST reply actions  

Why would anyone be willing to coach for Al Davis then?

Because high end NFL jobs are badass, duh. You better pray to Jebuz that some quality GM candidates agree with us, cause we got some major draft collateral in the balance right now.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 15, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You have a point

but I still disagree, I do not think Herm survives this. Holy shit, DJ and I agree on something!:)

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 15, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I honestly think

it’s 50/50 for Herm to remain after this season. Whichever happens, I want to see SOME changes with the on-the-field staff.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think if they were going to keep Herm

They would have promoted Kuharich to GM. That way if after next year they decided to fire Herm they would just do a full sweep hiring new GM, coach, etc. Essentially promoting a temporary (unless Herm was succesful next year) GM until Herms future was determined.

If they are hiring from outside the organization, unless it is a former Chiefs front office member that has since moved on to another team and will come back as GM, I don’t see them keeping the same coach.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I Completely Agree

Like I said below, for a new GM coming in from outside of the organization Herm represents a liability (regardless of what you think about his ability as coach). If the new guy keeps Herm and Herm fails, the GM has squandered credibility with the fans and owner and essentially loses that all-important first year. He’d have to start from scratch in drafting.

Firing Herm, on the other hand, carries no liability. The GM can draft who he wants, keep whatever players and coaches he wants, and can build the team in his own image. There’s not going to be much pressure from the fanbase to keep the existing system and players in place because of the horrible results from two years, so he gets a truly clean slate if he dumps Herm whereas he risks everything if he keeps Herm.

There’s just no good reason for the new coach to want Herm to stay around unless he absolutely believes in Herm’s ability to coach this team. And I doubt anyone from outside of this organization will.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction

There’s just no good reason for the new GM to want Herm to stay around unless he absolutely believes in Herm’s ability to coach this team. And I doubt anyone from outside of this organization will.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Al Davis had trouble filling his coaching position the last time it was open.

He had to settle for Lane Kiffen, who had never been a head coach at any level. Nobody wanted to take that job 2 years ago and it will likely be a worse situation this time. Look at their last two head coaches: Art Shell, really came back to coach because nobody else would take the job. Look at how Davis treated a legend of their organization. Then Davis fired Kiffen in the middle of the season — from week to week it was a matter of “is Davis going to fire the coach or not.” Now Davis is trying to deny Kiffen money owed him on the remainder of his contract. Davis has created a toxic situation in Oakland and will have a hell of a time hiring a qualified candidate. Davis won’t let his head coach pick his own assistants.

On a similar note, under Peterson the Chiefs organization kept getting more and more Raider-like with all the cryptic secrecy.

And I would repeat what others have said, good luck to Clark hiring a GM that will accept not controlling who the head coach is.

by Rev. Slappy on Dec 15, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of secrecy...

…anyone else think Condi Rice?

HAHA WOMEN + FOOTBALL ROFL

-cw

"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds

by webby37 on Dec 16, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Kiffin Wasn't A Bad Coach

Looking at the performance of the Raiders offense before and after his firing demonstrates that.

The reason Al Davis has trouble hiring a new head coach is because he’s the problem in Oakland and nobody wants to go there and work for a maniac. It’s not because there’s a lack of good coaching candidates out there.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 16, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Clark

said the new GM will have a voice, but I figure they’ll also need a suitable replacement in mind and available for that to happen.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

If the new GM will have a voice...

Doesn’t that indicate to you that the decision will be made pretty quickly (probably has already been made but we will see sufficient time passing to make it look like Carl actually resigned) on who the new GM will be? There are going to be a LOT of coaching vacancies this year and if they are hiring a new head coach, for the new GM to have a say they are going to need to get him in here in a hurry so that a decision can be made on Herm and have time to get any good head coaching candidates (are there any?)

by ChiefDJ on Dec 15, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

There Are Always Good Candidates

And mediocre ones too. Dick Jauron will be available (and probably unloved), so will Wade Phillips.

Steve Spagnuolo will be a big name. Jim Harbaugh probably. Cowher most definitely. Mike Mularkey.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I vote for Spagnoulo

He has done a fantastic job with the Giants D.

by TheQ on Dec 15, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I Think He's The Heir Apparent To Coughlin

But if Coughlin’s wanting to coach for two or three more years we should still try to grab him.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Spags, Not Coughlin I Mean

An NFL job today is always better than the promise of an NFL job in three years. Unless the job is with the Raiders, of course.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally. A cool head coaching job with a prestigous franchise that wears red

or watch Tom Coughlin’s face turn beet red in the playoffs? I think I know what I would choose!

by TheQ on Dec 15, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Cowher and Marty are long shots at this point.

Clark stated twice that I heard (yes, in different interviews) he wanted someone with no ties to the Chiefs.

That eliminates both of them if Clark means that.

by DThomasReigns on Dec 15, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

I took that as more of having

Current ties, rather than past ties. Just meant that promoting from withing (ie- Denny Thume) is out of the question.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree Saint.

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 15, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see either of them

getting the job though. So really it’s a moot point.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but get off my cloud!:)

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 15, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait

this is a cloud? Shit, I have work tomorrow.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

2 more to go.

Herm and Larry Johnson’s time is up as well.

by dstites on Dec 15, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

LJ isn't going anywhere

He’s the 2nd best QB on the team!

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's ok

I always carry a gun.

lifts shirt up to reveal 9mm in waistband in a meaningful display of manliness.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

OWWW MY THIGH!

Shouldn’t have wore these sweatpants in da club.

-cw

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by webby37 on Dec 16, 2008 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Or at least

Spit in your face and threaten to kill your significant other

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 15, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay time for bed

Or close to it at least.

We have lots more already scheduled for tomorrow morning so make sure you check back.

Great day for the Chiefs and for the site.

by Chris Thorman on Dec 15, 2008 10:09 PM CST reply actions  

I Disagree With Herm Being Guaranteed To Stick In 2009

Clark Hunt has consistently said that no decisions would be made this season and that Peterson would be seeing out his contract. That changed because Clark Hunt realized that the fans are in revolt against Peterson’s plan, and Herm is part of that plan. So I don’t buy that Peterson’s going to have any say in naming his successor, especially since Hunt took pains to emphasize that the hire will be coming from outside of the organization.

Clark Hunt will be bringing in a new GM and retaining Herm is incompatible with this for several reasons. First, no quality GM is going to want to come into this job and have no authority over hiring and firing the coaching staff, and I believe Hunt wants a quality GM. Their job is dependent upon results on the field and the coaching staff is half of the equation for those results (drafting talent is the other). So they’re going to want someone in the position they can trust and who they believe in. Herm’s likely to fill neither of those criteria…he’s a coach who’s won 6 games in the last two years, who’s unpopular with a large segment of the fan base, who’s produced little of what was promised (his players aren’t developing, his defense stinks and so does his game management) and who’s a hire of the previous administration. Herm represents a liability to the new hire. If the new GM keeps Herm around and Herm continues to underachieve, the new GM has to scrap his plans and start over with a new coach with compromised credibility with the fans and the owner. I don’t see too many GMs wanting to sacrifice the goodwill of their first year on the job to save a head coach who refuses to accept responsibility for the product on the field. And regardless of Clark Hunt’s comments about having input on the hiring, I don’t see him overriding his new hire or hiring a guy who folds to him just to protect Herm Edwards after he’s screwed up so badly this season.

I agree with DJ…Herm’s gone before the 2009 season.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:14 PM CST reply actions  

Good argument

It’s a possibility…definitely. It depends entirely if the new hire is a fan of Herm or not.

by Chris Thorman on Dec 15, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What GM From Outside Is Going To Be A Fan Of Herm's?

I can’t think of too many who would roll the dice on a leftover from the previous regime who’s sporting a win-loss record like Herm’s and as much bad will with the fans.

Not going to happen…Herm’s most likely gone.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Not convinced

We’d suggest you’re putting way too much emphasis on the “fan’s good will.” First, if the new GM genuinely concerned about being that much of a populist in a rebuilding period, we’re screwed already. Why not sit on Herm a year if you don’t have a a proven entity or at least a name (like "Cowher") it’s not likely we’d axe a brand new GM after a year just for keeping Herm. Plus, they get the bonus of having a rebuilding process already in order without the weight of totally revamping the program: detroit, cinci, and cleveland.

Maybe we’re just pessimistic, but we’d bet it’s still up in the air at best.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 15, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He Won't Want The Fans And Press On His Ass If They Don't Need To Be

First year of taking over a team is tough enough without having to carry the previous regime’s baggage as well. And Herm is baggage, regardless of what you think about his coaching skills.

And I’m not saying the GM would get axed if Herm failed, I’m saying that if Herm failed and the GM axed him that GM would then have one less year to work with a coach he wanted to try and turn things around. A coach who won 6 games in two years (and sports a losing record over an eight year career) is simply not worth the risk unless the GM is absolutely convinced of his ability to win.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

We guess we'll see

What we’d like? Someone clearly superior to both at both. Not so much Cowher as GM but HC would be great with Chan and then Gunther (or a replacement sufficient to your wishes, but we think he’d work for the chin).

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 15, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

"It depends entirely if the new hire is a fan of Herm or not."

Not entirely. Rather, it depends on if the guy selected as GM has a HC in his back pocket, so to speak. If the new GM doesn’t have a new HC on tap, he may string along with Herm, watching how things develop, and working the grapevine for possible replacements.

One of the important factors in selecting a new HC is whether the new HC can make the team win with the personnell we have right now.

Two names stick out in my mind: Marty Schottenheimer & Joe Horn. Remember Horn? He was a Chief, once, and didn’t amount to much under Marty. Why? Because Marty couldn’t make use of the talent on hand.

Herm taking over from Vermeil was bad enough – but Herm inherited a very old team. Rebuildin was inevitable, and has been painful enough. Even so, Herm wasn’t suited to coaching the team he was given – the best he managed with it was to sneak into the playoffs and get hammered by the Colts (granted, Carl had a hand in that hammering, but the point being that the Chiefs didn’t really earn that playoff spot).

So, to replace Herm, the GM will need to be able to hire a HC who can make use of the bulk of the players that Herm has on hand /now/. And coaches, insofar as that’s compatible with winning.

The way the offense is going, the new HC had better be able to work with Chan – he’s gotten something started: a little line help, and a viable running game tacked onto what we have now, and our O could be a /real/ threat.

Someone better attuned to Gunther might well be a good idea, too. I really do believe that Gun doesn’t own the entirety of the horrible defensive performance – Gun was never a real cover-2 guy, that I ever recall.

But a new GM would be in a position to lean on Herm, a bit. Allow a little more direction to come from the coordinators, and evaluate /them/ on the basis of the units they run, and run /their/ way. Emphasize to Herm that his job /now/ is to extract the best he can from his subordinates, rather than the players directly, and to support them in their roles.

Failing all that, it buys him time to learn the inner politics & culture of the Team, and to consider who is the best guy to grow the Team from Here, to Winners. Bringing in a guy who’s just gonna throw out the young talent we have now,and start over, is stupid and wasteful.

The more I’ve thought about it as I’ve typed, the more convinced I am that picking some guy who is gonna hire a new HC to wipe the slate clean & start over is a HORRIBLE idea. You like this year? How much you gonna like it if we get a new HC who will need two years to clean out Herm’s players and start over from scratch? I don’t. Not one little bit.

Ergo, unless the new GM comes in with turbo-Herm in his back pocket, he’d better be ready to manage Herm as a HC. For one year, at least.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 16, 2008 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Great points counselor

I see the entire house being cleaned out

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 15, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Bill Walsh?

He did mentor Mike Singletary.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 15, 2008 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

Ummm

He’s dead.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Further proof

that the NFL and it’s affiliates hire morons and retards to do commentary. Did anyone catch the “Antonio Gonzalez” comment from the Chiefs game yesterday?

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 15, 2008 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely. Did you see last Thursday's game on NFLN?

The play-by-play guy twice misnamed the well known QB of the Saints, Drew Brees.

At one time he said, “Bush back to pass.” Ok, so maybe that was a slip.

Then about 5 minutes later…“Orton running from the pocket.” It was Saints’ ball. It was bad, but not Bryant Gumble bad. And the NFLN kept him in the both for 2 years.

by DThomasReigns on Dec 15, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

It's pretty ridiculous

I actually commented earlier to someone that they should either A) use the radio commentors for the OTA broadcasts (home team would be main broadcast, visiting team could be broadcast over SAP instead of spanish… boyah.) or B) hire commentors to follow teams around like the radio broadcasters, but strictly for the TV.

I don’t know if CBS and FOX hire their own to do the games or what, but alot of them are completely ridiculous and have no idea about the team they are talking about. It’s insulting really.

Thank you and so long Carl Peterson.

by IISaiNtII on Dec 16, 2008 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

That ain't a half-bad idea

each guy follows a team, and gets to know it during the season, and sits with his opposite number in the booth. At the ed of the season, you’d learn:

- who can & can’t work with others

- who has paid attention to the team he’s assigned to

- and which guys pair up really well.

The last is most important, IMO – gives you a training & proving ground for the next generation of announcers, the guys who will team up to cover the really Big Games.

CBS could really benefit from this – their play-by=play guys are horrible, and I don’t just mean the Chiefs ones (which are worse than average). IMO, Fox has been hammering CBS for years on coverage.

The downside? You might have to hire some guys to cover the NFC teams for nothing but tape, save for a game or two a year. Still, you could spread things out, and assign 8 guys for the 16 NFC teams. Not entirely bad, though – use the NFC roles as proving grounds for promotion to the full-time slots. Maybe even internships.

Well, it’s a thought.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 16, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

wow.

I had never seen that. how terrible

by The DBowe Show on Dec 16, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I can see Herm staying - in a different role

I agree with Chris that there is going to be alot of pressure to maintain consistency with the glut of rookies we have on the team. You don’t want to interrupt their learning curve by changing things too much. Cunningham’s been pretty disappointing in his ability to make our defense work. I could see a situation where a new coach comes in with the caveat that he gives Herm a very hard look to take over the Defensive Coordinator position. That’s where his experience lies…and his presence would be a nice consistent situation for the new players.

by camucr on Dec 15, 2008 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

Herm's Never Been A Defensive Coordinator

And if he’ll leave before he accepts a demotion…head coaches simply do not accept demotions right after they’re removed from the job. Nor are they usually offered.

Ding, dong, the King is dead!!!

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with some things in the post...

Obviously I first off disagree with your diagnosis of the Herm situation. If Clark had any interest in letting Herm oversee the rest of this then he would have let Carl stick around…I also disagree with the idea that Carl will still have influence in the front office, I would say there is probably a 90% chance he moves to another town and takes another job in the business side of a franchise…

Just a few things…

With that said…I want Bill Cowher to get this job sooooo very badly…

by woodman212 on Dec 15, 2008 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

Woo Hoo!

Enough said. Just when I thought it was going to be a bad football year for me – The Sooners and Gators playing for the national title, the Chiefs sucking, KU and KSU sucking… Then there is a couple of bright spots – First TO starts showing his a$$ in Big D causing them to start to implode, and then Peterson resigns… It is indeed one of the best football years on record. If Herm resigns then the trifecta will be complete. Merry Christmas all!

by KCAl on Dec 16, 2008 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

dallas implode?

they played well sunday night…lol…

by woodman212 on Dec 16, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

With T.O. there,

it’s just a matter of time.

I completely agree with those who call him Team Obliterator (most notably Skip Bayless).

by Seth_C on Dec 16, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha...

yea…he is quite an ass

by woodman212 on Dec 16, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

WOW!!!! What a way to open the site, right after work!

At this moment of time I feel like, “What were you doing when Carl Peterson was fired?” This is historic, after 20 years there’s a change!

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Dec 16, 2008 3:12 AM CST reply actions  

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