You were right I was wrong

I agree...

I’m not putting this on the coaches. This game could have been won three times. Barth’s two field goals and Bowe’s inability to recover an onside kick. We really needed this win too. I’m actually want us to move up on the draft board for 1st round purposes. I think we can get our guy at 5. But, it might help us in the later rounds, especially in the 2nd. I just hope we can at least close out the season with a win against the Bengals.

by chiefsfan1384 on Dec 14, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We may close the season at 2-14.

I can’t believe how badly the team comes out in the 2nd half. This has been happening since… well, since Herm got here from what I remember.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Dec 14, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think we can win both remaining games....

…..very do-able…at least one of them…

by woodman212 on Dec 14, 2008 6:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I could not..

disagree more. Sure, the first time at 4th and inches it was smart, but after seeing how the D was already going downhill FAST, Herm should have went for it the second 4th and inches. you can not continue to say “You play to your strength.” and then NOT play to the strength of an on fire offense that REALLY wanted it. He played it TOO close to the vest. And we, undeniably, suffered for it. Everybody knows that our D is NOT a second half strong group. With one more score, this would not have happened.

by Ferogain on Dec 14, 2008 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The D had just stopped them the series before

And we had basically shut them out the entire first half. Yeah you are right with one more score this would not have happened and if Bowe would have turned up field we would not be having this conversation at all. The offense was far from on fire and it was just poor execution by the D they were in position minus Surtain.

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All you Herm haters can try to put this one on him but it is not his fault.

Here’s a list of reasons we lost for all you haters.

Bowe’s drop on the onside kick (I saw Herm run out and strip the ball away)
Barth’s 2 missed field goals ( if you watch the one angle you can see Herm blowing and it makes the ball go wide)
Thigpen’s scramble with 30 seconds left (Herm must have called down up and told Gailey to call the sneak)
Surtain leaving his man and allowing him to make a catch inside the 20 (Herm had a string on him and yanked it).
Several missed opportunities to gain 1 yard . (One time I saw Herm crawl under the bench and tie LJ’s shoelaces together.

This team was well coached today and should have won. There was only one call I questioned all game (the long pass on 3 and 1 in the second quarter). Other than that it was execution. I think this team continues to improve every week. They are a young team that somehow manges to lose every week. The wins will come. I think Herm has done a great job. This teams plays its heart out every week, and it is not easy to motivate players to play when you are 2-11.

"If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home."-Herm

by saskwatch on Dec 14, 2008 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1.

by rockchalk on Dec 14, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They're 2-23

And Herm now is officially the most losing coach in Chiefs history. Of course we are rebuilding…into what?, I have no idea.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 14, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Into A Team That Might Someday Be Able To Win 10 Games In A Season

Then go nowhere in the playoffs.

Like I keep saying, just because Herm and Carl busted up the roster of old players doesn’t mean the Chiefs will ever be championship contenders in the future. Neither Herm nor Carl has ever built or run a championship caliber team, so their “plan” is much more likely to build a bunch of mediocre teams that go nowhere (or bad teams that sink) than one that will ever get to a Super Bowl.

The problem is management…not the players, not the officials, not the fans. Management. Until that changes count on more of the same next year.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 14, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

UC

Valid point. CP Has a track record over the last twenty years with no real tangible success since 1994. Does Herm have the ability to build the foundation of a Super Bowl team. I saw the secondary today attack receivers I felt like I was watching the Steelers or the Ravens. The front four whom we have all stated are horrible and absurdly ranted about there ineptitude attack a pro bowl offensive line. Yeah dielman went out but hali had already added some stats and if you watch the replay Glenn the swamp thing Dorsey Man handles him. We currently have a seventh round pick stolen from the vikings practice squad leading the nfl in rushing for a quarter back. We are experimenting with a new offense that is generating more points than we have seen in five years.
The real question is can Herm win a Super Bowl… I don’t know I lean towards no because of poor clock management and other things but right now he is building the foundation we will need to get there.

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We made the Chargers look like the Titans

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 14, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We are supposed to make good teams look good

We are a bad team. The Chargers were supposed to be playing for home field advantage and there shot at the super bowl. They still have a talented squad. On the Titans, they do not look that great to me.

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They're A Losing Football Team According To Their Record

Ergo they are not a good team.

Every team in the NFL has talented players…the measure of whether those teams are good or bad is the results they get out of them. And the results the Chargers have posted is 6-8 so they aren’t good. They’re just a bad team that beat another bad team.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 14, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's exactly right UC

A lot of these fans that are seeing glimpses of improvement fail to realize that the improvment they are seeing is against piss poor teams. We’re not improving, we’re barely holding on to 2 wins and even the Chiefs players recognize that this was the worst loss in a long, long time.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 15, 2008 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

2 and 23 in the last twenty five

15 and 31 total over three years which is abysmal. I am not saying Herm is a great coach and the Super Bowl trophy should be called the Edwards trophy. We all expected a bad season and this is better than last year. This game was not a direct result of bad coaching.

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see us being a better team this year.

This team regressed after this game. Boneheaded on all sides.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 14, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Truth....

That is a stretch you are telling me this team is not better than the team that lost nine straight and could barely score a touchdown at all let alone have a chance to win a game?

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I'm saying that

Matter of fact I’m also saying that this team is so far behind in rebuilding that this franchise will be lucky to win 4-5 games next year even with a great draft (which historically we’ve discussed and has been poor). This team has not fixed the second half woes for most of this season…not all, but most of the season. They are consistently bad and if it weren’t for Thigpen doing something positive this year, we’d be even worse.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 14, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its not just Bones

What about Branden Albert… What about Mike Cox, Duane Bowe not falling off, Mark Bradley maybe being legit. Yeah the defensive drafting hasn’t been great Hali has regressed (statistically) what about the Brandon’s and Page and Pollard? We had no chance to win any games last year. This year we have a chance to win games that last year would have been slaughters. I believe we will win more games than that next year

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Will we do as well as Miami did after they went 1-15?

I think that would be a fair expectation. How about as good as Atlanta. That’s fair too.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 14, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

After all...Atlanta has a rookie QB like we have

So our expectations should be the same for the Chiefs…why not?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 14, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ATL has an

ACTUAL rookie QB, as does Baltimore. Our QB isn’t a rookie.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Dec 14, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think we should do as well as Miami

Has this year next year if not better. Miami has a similar record as we do over the last 3 years 16 – 30. They are on the ascension of a rebuild. They have a more competent GM and right now there coach is a winning coach.

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Comparing Records Over The Last Three Years Has One Flaw

The Dolphins got rid of the front office and coaching staff that built their crappy teams. The Chiefs are still making excuses for theirs. Until they quit doing that, they’re not going to follow Miami’s progression.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 14, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

UC, That argument is total BS. :)

We all know that changing the front office, and or, changing philosophies will result in a 5 year rebuilding period.

That is why we have to accept Herm’s 3 year plan, which is better that Carl’s 5 year plan.

Silly, UC.

by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, Yes...

I must have forgotten that Gunther’s blitz scheme will revolutionize Chiefs football. He had the best defense in 1997, you know. :)

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 14, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

we will get turf before the front office gets fixed… I noticed the mohawk and thought of you

by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Miami and ATL are absolutely EXCEPTIONAL situations...

….trying to compare is ridiculous…holy hell

by woodman212 on Dec 14, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They're Not That Exceptional

When you have a dysfunctional management structure and replace it with one from whom you expect results and who you hold accountable when they don’t produce them, then things generally improve.

The Chiefs aren’t bad because they’re cursed, or unlucky, or because they’re incapable of being great…they’re bad because they have a bad GM who’s been in charge for way too long after he showed he didn’t have what it took to turn this team into a champion. That’s it….and Peterson’s spent a large amount of his time doing what he could to distract people from that very simple realization. The first step to building this team into a champion starts with replacing him.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HAHA...

The situation with Miami has happened THREE times since 1970 and it is not that exceptional?!?!?!? haha that is a joke…sorry…

They are not comparable, i am afraid…

by woodman212 on Dec 15, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean since the about the same timeframe that the Chiefs have been to the SB?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 15, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes....

but that is not topical…so….shrug…considering all the solid, well run teams out there that have never been to one…thanks, though

by woodman212 on Dec 15, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually we've been to 2

and I could care less about the ones that didn’t make it. I care about the Chiefs worst season in history if we lose one more game.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 15, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Sorry, but you’re going to have to flesh out your point because I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Three times, since 1970

has a 1-15 team come back to be in the position that the Dolphins are in…That makes it a tad exceptional…Should not be expected…

by woodman212 on Dec 15, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

See If You Can Spot The Pattern

2007 Dolphins, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach and GM.

2003 Panthers, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach

1989 Cowboys, 1-15…Jimmy Johnson wins one game with team Tom Landry and Tex Schramm built, then improves every season.

1990 Patriots, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach

1980 Saints, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach.

(If you couldn’t spot the pattern, it’s that the Chiefs’ situation is different from every one of those 1-15 teams because they haven’t fired their GM or head coach).

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clarification

Except in the Cowboys case, where the coach and GM were in year one of their deal…Herm’s in year 3 and Carl’s in year 19, so the Cowboys situation isn’t comparable either.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how that works out doesn't it?

BTW…Carl doesn’t count after this year ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 15, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude whats up with this, Hell is not HOLY.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Dec 15, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I got the impressiont hat since early in the third we were trying to close ouyt the game rather than add more points. I thought we could hold on but just the little things at the end screwed us. Why couldnt DBowe hold on to the onside kick. And Still we could have still won it int he final seconds but Barth misses his second. So much for perfect ont he season.

by SayHeyWerd on Dec 14, 2008 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We Need to Just Shut Up

Because Herm is coming back next year, we all know it and there really isn’t anything we can do about it. It will probably be Peterson’s last year as GM as well. One more chance to clean out the trash on the roster and develop our young guys. Next year a lot of our players will be broken into the NFL and I would only expect two rookies tops next year to start. Just think how much better this team will be when we dump Washington, Gatewood, Carnahan, Macklin, Colclough, Studebaker, Babin, Webb, Celestin, Thomas and D Edwards (I love the man, but his time is up). I would take a 7th round pick over all of these guys for the potential alone. Not to mention we are undoubtable going to bring in a much needed vetern prescence with free agency. If next year is abismal, then new management will have to come and the new coach will inherited a young, talented team.

by chiefsfan1384 on Dec 15, 2008 7:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm Not Going To Shut Up

Even if Herm gets a lifetime contract. I expect results from this football team and if they don’t provide them I’m going to continue running my mouth about what a bunch of idiots the people running that team are.

Being a fan does not mean unconditionally accepting every piece of manure idea that the team’s leaders crap out onto the fans. That’s what being a cult member means.

It will probably be Peterson’s last year as GM as well.

“Probably” isn’t good enough. Until the Chiefs ownership officially announces the end of his employment with the club in all capacities, he’s still calling the shots as far as I’m concerned, so they might as well be giving him a lifetime extension. I’ll shut up about Peterson when he’s fired.

Next year a lot of our players will be broken into the NFL and I would only expect two rookies tops next year to start

Tamba Hali was “broken into the NFL”. He sucked. So was Derrick Johnson, and Turk McBride, and Tank Tyler. They all blew too. You know what I expect from Glenn Dorsey next year if this current coaching staff is retained? Either a season identical to his rookie year or one that’s worse. That’s what Herm and Gunther do to players. We’ll have a bunch of underachievers on the field…they just won’t be rookies.

Just think how much better this team will be when we dump Washington, Gatewood, Carnahan, Macklin, Colclough, Studebaker, Babin, Webb, Celestin, Thomas and D Edwards (I love the man, but his time is up).

They’ll be replaced with more scrubs. Because that’s what Herm and Carl do too…they replace bad players with more bad players. And it’s not like most of these guys are long-time Chiefs…most of them were brought in this year to be part of the rebuilding effort, sometimes to fill holes but too often to take over for “core” guys who played like crap after getting here.

I would take a 7th round pick over all of these guys for the potential alone.

Our 7th round pick was Mike Merritt. What did he do this year? Our 6th round picks were Brian Johnston and Barry Richardson. What did they do this year?

Not to mention we are undoubtable going to bring in a much needed vetern prescence with free agency.

Our biggest free agent acquisition was DeMorrio Williams. What did he do this year? And we’ve already seen just how successful Carl Peterson is in getting the best young free agents to want to come here. They don’t even return his phone calls before signing a contract elsewhere. So it’s wishful thinking to believe that’s going to change. And based on his track record we certainly can’t trust Peterson to pick the winners out of the second tier of free agents. How many of the guys he grabbed the last few years were any good? Devard Darling? Adrian Jones? Napoleon Harris? Damion McIntosh?

If next year is abismal, then new management will have to come and the new coach will inherited a young, talented team.

Next year will be abysmal…the schedule is going to be tougher than this year’s. Why wait for Herm and Carl to show us yet again what they’ve demonstrated over the previous 27 years of their career? They don’t know how to build championship-caliber football teams and the best we can hope for if they stick around is maybe the occasional 10-6 team that makes it to the second round of the playoffs, if we’re lucky. Peterson hasn’t built a Super Bowl team in 19 years and Herm’s never even won a division title. They’re just too losers who found each other and a job on a team whose ownership doesn’t expect results.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Correction

They’re just two losers who found each other and a job on a team whose ownership doesn’t expect results.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

On the current Free Agent signings

when we dump Washington, Gatewood, Carnahan, Macklin, Colclough, Studebaker, Babin, Webb, Celestin, Thomas and D Edwards (I love the man, but his time is up).

most of them were brought in this year to be part of the rebuilding effort, sometimes to fill holes but too often to take over for "core" guys who played like crap after getting here.

Most of these guys were brought in for the various injuries sustained during the year, and were not essential parts to the rebuilding project. ONly Webb, Thomas and D Edwards on the list were part of the team in the beginning of the year. Forget about Webb, he hasen’t been able to consistently get on the field so he’s basically a roster fill. Edward signing was basically Carl trying to make ammends for not retaining this guy and letting him become a free agent. Edwards is too old and cannot stay healthy. They should of signed him as a coach rather than a player.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Dec 15, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Webb

Has been on this roster for three years, so he’s not filler.

Edward signing was basically Carl trying to make ammends for not retaining this guy and letting him become a free agent

I agree…that’s why it was a bad signing. Carl felt guilty about letting Edwards go? Who the hell cares what Carl feels guilty about? It’s his job to build a winning football team, not to make himself feel better about stupid decisions he made years ago (and yes, letting Edwards go the first time was a stupid decision). Crap like this is why the man’s such a rotten GM, because it’s all about him rewarding people he feels a personal connection to rather than doing what’s best for the team. It’s the same reason he gave Priest Holmes that idiotic contract when the man was 31 and coming off major injuries.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This comment from saskwatch made me think about football and what the game is

This teams plays its heart out every week, and it is not easy to motivate players to play when you are 2-11.

If you look at the statement, many people would probably agree with what it says. But I ask you to consider this: Why are you a head coach of a professional sports franchise if you cannot find a way to motivate your players to win under any circumstances?

There are millions of coaches and athletes around the world today that play their respective sports for the fun of it and are able to overcome adversity. The basic foundation of sports itself is to win by everything that is your being. To overcome and/or adapt to a negative situation that could cost you the victory that you so deservedly prepare for each and every week.

No sir, I disagree and say it is not a problem for a person who is a proven leader to motivate his players even under the most dire circumstances to come out on top. We are not a Nation of losers and never will be. Nor should the KC Chiefs organization.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 15, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Excellent Points

If a coach can’t motivate his players when they’re in bad circumstances, then at best he’s not part of the solution. When a coach helped to create those circumstances in the first place, he’s definitely part of the problem.

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Giving Carl another year will be a huge mistake

If Carl is still around in this offseason with one year on his contract, it’ll be a big mistake that will hurt us for years. He will go all out to get the team near .500, throwing big money at mediocre free agents whose bad contracts will weigh us down in the future. His goal will be to get a contract extension, period. With all the money left under the cap, he will probably be able to get us to 7-9 or so, and will get his extension and continue to weigh down this franchise for years and years to come.

The cord should’ve been cut a decade ago. If they don’t do it this offseason, they probably never will. Peterson will end up dying on the job like Al Davis.

Lots of people look at this from Carl’s perspective— it wouldn’t be fair to poor Carl to let him go now, he’s not finished with his master plan, he doesn’t deserve to lose his job, etc. That’s crap. We need to look at it from the perspective of the team itself, not from the people running the team. Why is Peterson the very best GM we can possibly get for the Kansas City Chiefs? If he isn’t then he should go.

We as fans deserve better. It’s not fair to us to keep the same failed leaders again and again, after decades of opportunity. We deserve hope and we deserve a new leader with new ideas and vision, not some GM for life who wants to consolidate his power and keep his cronies around as he schemes to keep his job, instead of building the team the right way.

If Peterson is back next year, his priority will be to get himself a contract extension, it won’t be to build this team the right way. That will set us back bigtime. We don’t need to tie ourselves to more mediocre veterans with untradeable contracts. We don’t need to let Peterson handle yet another draft with high picks. This organization is dying for new leadership and new vision. It’s a ripoff of the fans to not deliver that.

by Offense of the 70s on Dec 15, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself

"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 15, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs