You were right I was wrong
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 5:06 PM CST
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PrintI have to start off UC, Saint you were right we could not win out.
That has to be by far the most disgusting loss I have ever been a part of And the luckiest for an opposing team. (close to the Derek Anderson break out game)
The only problem I saw with coaching was the challenge before the two minute warning. There are 2 minutes and six seconds left they are not going to get a play off let the time run down watch the replay on the jumbo tron and then before they run the next play if you feel it is something to be challanged throw the flag dont stop the clock twice. Seperate note I can't agree with anyone who says we should have went for it on fourth down. This isn't Madden we were up by two scores the previous play was 3rd and one on both tries the first with 12 mins left which did not end up in a score but a fourth quarter sack which Jared Allen could not do (don't think I am saying I dont miss him but I remeber KC pushing that stat down our throat after the trade. The second try was with 6 mins left after we just stopped them. If someone wants to say that we should have ran a different play on the third and one prior to the fourth down like say a bootleg, or the option (which I rather enjoyed) is a valid but unproveable point.
This was not a bad coaching game It was the Football God's way of saying we hate you this year but not as much as last year. This year we like to rip your heart out and allow you to watch it be sauteed in a white wine sauce and fed to you slowly with a side of Artichoke. Instead of like last year were it was handed to us out of the dumpster behind the (insert disgusting fast food restaruant of your choice) the week before becasue we all knew there was no hope for it to even look remotely presentable.
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We may close the season at 2-14.
I can’t believe how badly the team comes out in the 2nd half. This has been happening since… well, since Herm got here from what I remember.
have you seen my baseball?
I could not..
disagree more. Sure, the first time at 4th and inches it was smart, but after seeing how the D was already going downhill FAST, Herm should have went for it the second 4th and inches. you can not continue to say “You play to your strength.” and then NOT play to the strength of an on fire offense that REALLY wanted it. He played it TOO close to the vest. And we, undeniably, suffered for it. Everybody knows that our D is NOT a second half strong group. With one more score, this would not have happened.
The D had just stopped them the series before
And we had basically shut them out the entire first half. Yeah you are right with one more score this would not have happened and if Bowe would have turned up field we would not be having this conversation at all. The offense was far from on fire and it was just poor execution by the D they were in position minus Surtain.
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
All you Herm haters can try to put this one on him but it is not his fault.
Here’s a list of reasons we lost for all you haters.
Bowe’s drop on the onside kick (I saw Herm run out and strip the ball away)
Barth’s 2 missed field goals ( if you watch the one angle you can see Herm blowing and it makes the ball go wide)
Thigpen’s scramble with 30 seconds left (Herm must have called down up and told Gailey to call the sneak)
Surtain leaving his man and allowing him to make a catch inside the 20 (Herm had a string on him and yanked it).
Several missed opportunities to gain 1 yard . (One time I saw Herm crawl under the bench and tie LJ’s shoelaces together.
This team was well coached today and should have won. There was only one call I questioned all game (the long pass on 3 and 1 in the second quarter). Other than that it was execution. I think this team continues to improve every week. They are a young team that somehow manges to lose every week. The wins will come. I think Herm has done a great job. This teams plays its heart out every week, and it is not easy to motivate players to play when you are 2-11.
"If you go out and you’re looking for the girl to wink at you and she hasn’t winked at you before 12 she isn’t going to. You might as well go home."-Herm
They're 2-23
And Herm now is officially the most losing coach in Chiefs history. Of course we are rebuilding…into what?, I have no idea.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Into A Team That Might Someday Be Able To Win 10 Games In A Season
Then go nowhere in the playoffs.
Like I keep saying, just because Herm and Carl busted up the roster of old players doesn’t mean the Chiefs will ever be championship contenders in the future. Neither Herm nor Carl has ever built or run a championship caliber team, so their “plan” is much more likely to build a bunch of mediocre teams that go nowhere (or bad teams that sink) than one that will ever get to a Super Bowl.
The problem is management…not the players, not the officials, not the fans. Management. Until that changes count on more of the same next year.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
UC
Valid point. CP Has a track record over the last twenty years with no real tangible success since 1994. Does Herm have the ability to build the foundation of a Super Bowl team. I saw the secondary today attack receivers I felt like I was watching the Steelers or the Ravens. The front four whom we have all stated are horrible and absurdly ranted about there ineptitude attack a pro bowl offensive line. Yeah dielman went out but hali had already added some stats and if you watch the replay Glenn the swamp thing Dorsey Man handles him. We currently have a seventh round pick stolen from the vikings practice squad leading the nfl in rushing for a quarter back. We are experimenting with a new offense that is generating more points than we have seen in five years.
The real question is can Herm win a Super Bowl… I don’t know I lean towards no because of poor clock management and other things but right now he is building the foundation we will need to get there.
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
We made the Chargers look like the Titans
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
We are supposed to make good teams look good
We are a bad team. The Chargers were supposed to be playing for home field advantage and there shot at the super bowl. They still have a talented squad. On the Titans, they do not look that great to me.
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
They're A Losing Football Team According To Their Record
Ergo they are not a good team.
Every team in the NFL has talented players…the measure of whether those teams are good or bad is the results they get out of them. And the results the Chargers have posted is 6-8 so they aren’t good. They’re just a bad team that beat another bad team.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
That's exactly right UC
A lot of these fans that are seeing glimpses of improvement fail to realize that the improvment they are seeing is against piss poor teams. We’re not improving, we’re barely holding on to 2 wins and even the Chiefs players recognize that this was the worst loss in a long, long time.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
2 and 23 in the last twenty five
15 and 31 total over three years which is abysmal. I am not saying Herm is a great coach and the Super Bowl trophy should be called the Edwards trophy. We all expected a bad season and this is better than last year. This game was not a direct result of bad coaching.
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see us being a better team this year.
This team regressed after this game. Boneheaded on all sides.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Truth....
That is a stretch you are telling me this team is not better than the team that lost nine straight and could barely score a touchdown at all let alone have a chance to win a game?
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I'm saying that
Matter of fact I’m also saying that this team is so far behind in rebuilding that this franchise will be lucky to win 4-5 games next year even with a great draft (which historically we’ve discussed and has been poor). This team has not fixed the second half woes for most of this season…not all, but most of the season. They are consistently bad and if it weren’t for Thigpen doing something positive this year, we’d be even worse.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Its not just Bones
What about Branden Albert… What about Mike Cox, Duane Bowe not falling off, Mark Bradley maybe being legit. Yeah the defensive drafting hasn’t been great Hali has regressed (statistically) what about the Brandon’s and Page and Pollard? We had no chance to win any games last year. This year we have a chance to win games that last year would have been slaughters. I believe we will win more games than that next year
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Will we do as well as Miami did after they went 1-15?
I think that would be a fair expectation. How about as good as Atlanta. That’s fair too.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
After all...Atlanta has a rookie QB like we have
So our expectations should be the same for the Chiefs…why not?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
I think we should do as well as Miami
Has this year next year if not better. Miami has a similar record as we do over the last 3 years 16 – 30. They are on the ascension of a rebuild. They have a more competent GM and right now there coach is a winning coach.
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Comparing Records Over The Last Three Years Has One Flaw
The Dolphins got rid of the front office and coaching staff that built their crappy teams. The Chiefs are still making excuses for theirs. Until they quit doing that, they’re not going to follow Miami’s progression.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
UC, That argument is total BS. :)
We all know that changing the front office, and or, changing philosophies will result in a 5 year rebuilding period.
That is why we have to accept Herm’s 3 year plan, which is better that Carl’s 5 year plan.
Silly, UC.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, Yes...
I must have forgotten that Gunther’s blitz scheme will revolutionize Chiefs football. He had the best defense in 1997, you know. :)
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
I agree
we will get turf before the front office gets fixed… I noticed the mohawk and thought of you
by KC FAN IN CA on Dec 14, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
They're Not That Exceptional
When you have a dysfunctional management structure and replace it with one from whom you expect results and who you hold accountable when they don’t produce them, then things generally improve.
The Chiefs aren’t bad because they’re cursed, or unlucky, or because they’re incapable of being great…they’re bad because they have a bad GM who’s been in charge for way too long after he showed he didn’t have what it took to turn this team into a champion. That’s it….and Peterson’s spent a large amount of his time doing what he could to distract people from that very simple realization. The first step to building this team into a champion starts with replacing him.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
HAHA...
The situation with Miami has happened THREE times since 1970 and it is not that exceptional?!?!?!? haha that is a joke…sorry…
They are not comparable, i am afraid…
You mean since the about the same timeframe that the Chiefs have been to the SB?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Yes....
but that is not topical…so….shrug…considering all the solid, well run teams out there that have never been to one…thanks, though
Actually we've been to 2
and I could care less about the ones that didn’t make it. I care about the Chiefs worst season in history if we lose one more game.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Huh?
Sorry, but you’re going to have to flesh out your point because I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Three times, since 1970
has a 1-15 team come back to be in the position that the Dolphins are in…That makes it a tad exceptional…Should not be expected…
See If You Can Spot The Pattern
2007 Dolphins, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach and GM.
2003 Panthers, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach
1989 Cowboys, 1-15…Jimmy Johnson wins one game with team Tom Landry and Tex Schramm built, then improves every season.
1990 Patriots, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach
1980 Saints, 1-15…improved after firing their head coach.
(If you couldn’t spot the pattern, it’s that the Chiefs’ situation is different from every one of those 1-15 teams because they haven’t fired their GM or head coach).
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Clarification
Except in the Cowboys case, where the coach and GM were in year one of their deal…Herm’s in year 3 and Carl’s in year 19, so the Cowboys situation isn’t comparable either.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Funny how that works out doesn't it?
BTW…Carl doesn’t count after this year ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Dude whats up with this, Hell is not HOLY.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Dec 15, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I got the impressiont hat since early in the third we were trying to close ouyt the game rather than add more points. I thought we could hold on but just the little things at the end screwed us. Why couldnt DBowe hold on to the onside kick. And Still we could have still won it int he final seconds but Barth misses his second. So much for perfect ont he season.
This comment from saskwatch made me think about football and what the game is
This teams plays its heart out every week, and it is not easy to motivate players to play when you are 2-11.
If you look at the statement, many people would probably agree with what it says. But I ask you to consider this: Why are you a head coach of a professional sports franchise if you cannot find a way to motivate your players to win under any circumstances?
There are millions of coaches and athletes around the world today that play their respective sports for the fun of it and are able to overcome adversity. The basic foundation of sports itself is to win by everything that is your being. To overcome and/or adapt to a negative situation that could cost you the victory that you so deservedly prepare for each and every week.
No sir, I disagree and say it is not a problem for a person who is a proven leader to motivate his players even under the most dire circumstances to come out on top. We are not a Nation of losers and never will be. Nor should the KC Chiefs organization.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Excellent Points
If a coach can’t motivate his players when they’re in bad circumstances, then at best he’s not part of the solution. When a coach helped to create those circumstances in the first place, he’s definitely part of the problem.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Giving Carl another year will be a huge mistake
If Carl is still around in this offseason with one year on his contract, it’ll be a big mistake that will hurt us for years. He will go all out to get the team near .500, throwing big money at mediocre free agents whose bad contracts will weigh us down in the future. His goal will be to get a contract extension, period. With all the money left under the cap, he will probably be able to get us to 7-9 or so, and will get his extension and continue to weigh down this franchise for years and years to come.
The cord should’ve been cut a decade ago. If they don’t do it this offseason, they probably never will. Peterson will end up dying on the job like Al Davis.
Lots of people look at this from Carl’s perspective— it wouldn’t be fair to poor Carl to let him go now, he’s not finished with his master plan, he doesn’t deserve to lose his job, etc. That’s crap. We need to look at it from the perspective of the team itself, not from the people running the team. Why is Peterson the very best GM we can possibly get for the Kansas City Chiefs? If he isn’t then he should go.
We as fans deserve better. It’s not fair to us to keep the same failed leaders again and again, after decades of opportunity. We deserve hope and we deserve a new leader with new ideas and vision, not some GM for life who wants to consolidate his power and keep his cronies around as he schemes to keep his job, instead of building the team the right way.
If Peterson is back next year, his priority will be to get himself a contract extension, it won’t be to build this team the right way. That will set us back bigtime. We don’t need to tie ourselves to more mediocre veterans with untradeable contracts. We don’t need to let Peterson handle yet another draft with high picks. This organization is dying for new leadership and new vision. It’s a ripoff of the fans to not deliver that.
by Offense of the 70s on Dec 15, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions
Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
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