…but did we even have an offense for most of the 2nd half? Not to mention that if they finish drives in the first half the Chiefs win.

not be put on the coaching staff?

Chiefs collapse in final 30 minutes

He hates our defense and loves connor barth enough to hold his cynicism entirely accountable for a loss that was mere karma points away.

UC, if you read this, we hate you.

Herm the worm NEEDS to be fired we play the game to lose in the second half i’m so tired of watching a good first half and then him choking in the second

But you have to be kidding me…

I wouldn’t have believed it…

Interview, sounds like he’s in tears

who are still backing Herm… You’re lucky your not a woman in a relationship with a wife beater… You just don’t get it.

Barth Vader

General Ambrose Hermsides

then my vote is for the Herminator

Thigpen’s decision making at the end also hurt big time.

Switched to Metro Sports for post-game, and got a “Midwest Hemerrhoid” Commercial.

Appropriate.

oakland is getting whoped on i can smile a lil bit

How can you have an 11 point lead at the 2:00 minute warning and lose?

ask herm

We beat the spread again

just said “scrap this, start over next year.”

I left at the 2 minute warning to drive home and we lost the game? WTF?!! WTF?!! WTF?!! WTF?!!

I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS.

that we haven’t won for 2 years

its on the players as much as it should be on the coaching staff and that bull shit zone we were playing at the end….we were trying to let them back in, and we did!!! we should have stayed aggressive on D it had been working all day. The coaches are scared!!! They lost the game, not the players. But I guess Bowe could have closed out the game on that kick-off. but he let that one go…….

I have lost count how many times the Chiefs gave up a lead in the second half. At some point as fans we need to expect the chiefs to give up big leads. three touch downs ahead? Nope, still need to expect them to give the game away. I’m not being pessimistic, it’s just that the chiefs have given up so many leads this year we need to realize the game isn’t over until 0:00 in the 4th. I was so upset when Barth missed that field goal. I was stunned. Until I quickly realized that this kind of shit has happened before (a lot) so in the end it’s no surprise.

I still like Barth though!

but we shouldn’t have had to kick that FG the first time. WTF were we doing going for the homerun ball on 3rd and 1? I think that was a big factor in the outcome of the game.

for the most retarded plays/playcalls for games.

so i can stop being pissed off every week and have the draft to look foreward to.

Honestly, why is everyone freaking out so much.

Sure, we lost. It was terrible. But it isn’t like we had anything at stake, and we only get better draft position out of the whole thing.

I really really really wanted to win today, obviously, just as all of you did. But that doesn’t mean we should go apeshit cause we lost.

This is a really young-ass team. That is obvious. We have lost an ungodly amount of games this season that were incredibly close. Next year, with a more veteran team, we should win plenty of these games.

Everyone just needs to settle down. Herm isn’t going anywhere, at least until after next season, so it does no good to cry for his head. And, honestly, I don’t see too much of a point in firing him. Sure, he isn’t the greatest tactician in the world. Off with his head! But he is really good for plenty of things, most notably getting young players together and to play hard each-and-every week. Wouldn’t you rather lose tight, close games after we collapse late than simply getting the shit beaten out of us? I know I would.

Maybe I’m just an optimist, a glass-half-full sorta guy. But there are plenty of positives to be taken away from this game, and I’d rather focus on that and have minor, simple things that we can fix later be the reason we lose (like catching an onsides kick or not playing prevent) than having us play like shit and getting blown out. Tyler Thigpen, bonehead-play-and-all, had another fine game, something we can build on. Our seconday played fabulous, until the prevent shenanigans at the end, and our D-Line played the best game we’ve played in weeks. Derrick Johnson looks to be adapting quite well to MLB, and Rocky Boiman looked good.

On offense, Will Franklin looked really solid, and the running game is getting better. In the second time we played against a team with our new, advanced spread-type offense we still looked really good using it, providing further proof that the offense is not gimmicky and is going to work long-term.

Focus on the positives, folks, not the negative. This team is a much better football team than the one that took the field up in New England to start the season, or even just 2-or-so-months ago against Tennessee. Much. Better. Be happy with that, don’t be bitching and whining because of losses.

Besides, better draft position!

Whateve the other plusses or minuses of the Arrowspread offense, Herm’s gonna have to admit that it doesn’t allow for conservative, protect-the-lead playcalling. As the scheme stands, it /cannot/ pound the ball in the second half. I put that on the O-line, mostly, with coaching running a close second.

I hope Chan’s noticed this one, and it planning on re-vamping the playbook for next season.

Ain’t seen it commented here, but I saw a few people crowing a bit over wasted time-outs. Anyone else suspect this might’ve ended differently, if we’d saved one of them?

and coming together as a team. We need to support the coach and make sure the team knows that we are Chiefs fans and that Carl and Herm are the answer.
This rebuilding process is about getting better.
————————————————anyone remember the above about week 3?

The blame goes on all sides….Tyler’s decision to run at the end of the game -bonehead (hey, new nickname). The defense that couldn’t stop the Chargers. The coaches that can’t coach and calm the players down to play prevent defense….actually play SMART football.

Up by 11 with 2 minutes to go and lose the game…lol. I’ve seen a heckuva season and I’d suggest they continue on into the offseason and practice to get better.

We’re 2-21

…anyone want to claim that was a sellout? If it was then they’re putting something in the drinks and everyone was in the pisser when I checked the stands.

…have passion, their players fear and respect them, they DO NOT stand on the sideline calmly bonehead play after bonehead play, they yell and scream, the turn red and foam at the mouth, they curse and occasionally throw things, they are walking heart attacks. Herm has zero, zilch, nada on these qualities. He is a bump on a log with no passion, and THAT my friends is why we are losers.

DJ is tearing it up in the middle! He is showing signs of unseating Willie Lanier as the all time Chiefs greatest MLB. Good decision Herm and Gun and anyone who agreed with this move. 3 solo and 2 assists that is what I am talking about. Flowers had 1o tackles, let’s try him at defensive tackle next week.

fuckballs and shicklesticks assplosion guhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

15, 10, 3, 9 for 18:43
3,3,5,3,5,4 for 13:11

(Excluded: two 1-play “drives” that had nothing to do with the offense)

News flash to Ambrose Hermside: If you aren’t good at making half-time adjustments on Offense, then you had better come into the game with TWO game plans – one for the first half, and a slightly different one for the second half. The goal of each one being: Score points. The time-of-possesion thing isn’t working.

NF #2, regarding “protect the Defense”: If your O can get up by 3 scores, the D can afford to take chances, and bring pressure by /attacking/ their O. This makes for a better D, because it not only disrupts the opposing O, but it also breeds confidence in your own D-players. They spend less time worrying about executing, and more time thinking about how they are gonna attack the other guys.

There’s an old military maxim that applies here: Defense is stronger, but you have to attack to win. (For the Chiefs, read ‘Defense’ as ‘conservative playcalling’.

As long as I’m trotting out military history: Napoleon is reputed to have said “Ask me for anything but time!” Allowing the other team to put together long drives does /not/ work to our advantage – even if they only come up with FGs – if we are not scoring points with our offense in the second half. (The TD doesn’t count – that was a D score, for all intents & purposes). Letting them string together a long drive or two in the 3rd Q might look good on paper (Hey, two drives for 17 plays, and it cost them 7:20, and they only got 7 points!), but what it /really/ does is allow them to get their offense clicking, and their timing down, and their confidence up.

Final bit of military theory for today: Defeat take place in the mind of your enemy.

In short, in order to win, you have to make force the other guy to /believe/ that he’s beaten. Herm, you haven’t been doing that. You are playing a game of numbers and stats, like a Vietnam-era general who believes he can body-count his way to victory. It don’t work that way. To win, you have to invade the enemy’s /mind/, and convince him that he’s beaten. Anything less allows him to stay on the field, and find ways to beat /you/.

I’d e-mail this to Herm, but I figure that there’s as much chance of him reading it here as there is in sending it directly to him, even if I could locate an email addy for him.

I’m still fond of the Civil War nickname I gave him, but the comprison’s not quite accurate. As CW generals go, Herm compares better with George McClellan: McClellan did some good things with the Army of the Potomac: Straigneing out the messes he inherited, recruiting, training, logistics, etc. What he lacked was the instinct to go for the throat. He spent so much time avoiding defeat that he wasn’t able to /win/, and defeat eventually caught up with him.

OK, OK – I’ve bored anyone silly enough to still be reading this to tears. I’m done.

TY, Eric. Nice to know someone read it.

You have stated in sumary what I was getting at in detail “Win in a convincing fashion”.

There are no points in the NFL for letting the other guys stay in the game. You don’t get payed to avoid hurting the other guy’s feelings. You win any way you can – and far better to beat them by 24 points than by 1 point.

You knock them down, and jump up and down on them with your cleats until they run away screaming. It’s a far better thing as a head coach to be feared and repected by your peers than to be liked and respected.