Chiefs' Defense Collapses in Final Minutes
by Chris Thorman on Dec 14, 2008 3:33 PM CST
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Chiefs lose 22 to 21. Stats are here.
I've rewritten this next paragraph three times already so I'm scrapping any sort of organization. I can't believe the Kansas City Chiefs lost this game. The Chiefs allowed two touchdowns in the final five minutes and even successfully defended two two-point conversions to lose by one point.
I really don't know what to say now. I'm stunned. How did that happen? How does the defense break down like that?
The final five minutes of the game erased the Chiefs' defense best effort of the season.
Wow.
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Epic collapse by the defense
…but did we even have an offense for most of the 2nd half? Not to mention that if they finish drives in the first half the Chiefs win.
How can second half collapses every single week
not be put on the coaching staff?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Dec 14, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions
I blame this loss entirely on UCrawford
He hates our defense and loves connor barth enough to hold his cynicism entirely accountable for a loss that was mere karma points away.
UC, if you read this, we hate you.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 14, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions
Don't Hate The Messenger...
Direct your unholy wrath at the coach who refused to go for it on 4th and short twice to try and put the game away. Bowe certainly did.
Herm’s a rotten football coach…that’s why he’s 2-12 this year and has a losing record over the rest of his career. You can give him the next decade to sort it out and the best you’re ever going to get from the guy is maybe a team that makes the second round of the playoffs. And you probably won’t even get that.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
What about the last 9 games of last year?
2-23?…OR you can call it 6-24 if that makes everyone feel better the last 2 years. So doing the math…6 wins in 30 games makes it a nice even number of 20% = winning percentage.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
My Brother-In-Law Was Watching The Game With Me
He’s a Cowboys fan and he was actually in shock at the loss. He asked me why I wasn’t upset at the Chiefs blowing a game like that and I told him it’s because since the Carolina game I just accept going into every week that the Chiefs will lose. Since then I’ve only been wrong once.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Yeah and when you change the way you watch the game...it helps
I haven’t expected a win since about mid-season. All I do now is watch to see who to keep on the team for next year. Makes it much more enjoyable.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Yup
I’ve enjoyed most of the games since then. As I see it, every loss is just another nail in Herm’s and Carl’s coffin.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Someone mentioned on the radio
That Carl has made about $70 million in salary the last 19 years off this franchise. LOL….I have to laugh to keep from crying. And as cheap I know the man is (he tipped me .50 once when I was in college to park his Jaguar)….that leaves him with about ten grand short of the 70 he made ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Yeah, 2 quarters rubbed together.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
FIRE HERM
Herm the worm NEEDS to be fired we play the game to lose in the second half i’m so tired of watching a good first half and then him choking in the second
The Chiefs couldn't close out an attempted campaign donation to Rod Blagojevich.
We even had the benefit of questionable calls all day, including the phantom punch call.
I'm sorry...
But you have to be kidding me…
-TSG
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I still can't believe it myself.
"It doesn't dissipate" ~ Mike Shanahan
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
If I didn't watch it...
I wouldn’t have believed it…
-TSG
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I'll say one thing, though....
Tyler Thigpen plays with alot of guts…..
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YES
That had to be one of the most bonehead plays I have ever seen. WTF was he thinking. Throw the damn ball away. He gaines 2 yards and lost 16 of the 31 seconds. I have no doubt that if we had another 10 sec we would have got in better FG range
For all of those
who are still backing Herm… You’re lucky your not a woman in a relationship with a wife beater… You just don’t get it.
Why did I quit drinking?
you know
I had been a big supportr of Herm for a while. Slowly but surely my confidence in him has been waning. After today I say screw him, fire the idiot. This loss was inexcusable. ASOLUTELY NO way the chargers should have even been anywhere in the game. After the turnovers they had, injuries, bonehead penalties, and how awful they looked. To let rivers hop and dance around like an idiot after throwing that touchdown was a disgrace. I can see now why the stands are bare, who wants to waste an afternoon watching that garbage. hell i am even pissed i spent 200 bucks for sunday ticket to watch this horrible display of football every week.
There's plenty of good football to watch.
You can watch the ex-chiefs defense beat on Arizona. (aka, the Vikings.)
have you seen my baseball?
I need a new TV
to replace the one that just “fell” off the stand
i need a new remote
to replace the one shattered on the TV
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Dec 14, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's a good thing I had to listen to the game
House rules stipulate no new TV until the Chiefs win a playoff game.
Expectations have lowered...
it used to be a Super Bowl appearance.
Well it was entertaining to watch
and it didn’t hurt our draft status. Besides did anyone really think we were going to win? I mean really? I sure as hell didn’t. I just wasn’t sure how we would lose.
My nicknames of the game:
Barth Vader
General Ambrose Hermsides
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 14, 2008 3:43 PM CST reply actions
I give up.
Jarred Page
Appaenrtly this software hates me
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 14, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
If we can change it to the 2x4 to the head
then my vote is for the Herminator
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Dec 14, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions
Conservative playcalling killed it.
Thigpen’s decision making at the end also hurt big time.
Banny being Banny.
The final kickoff return from Robinson
Was probably the best kickoff return I’ve seen from the Chiefs in the last two years, sadly.
It was a squib.
Squib kick = dumbest play in sports. If we didn’t get it to the 50 I would have been disappointed.
Banny being Banny.
Heh
Switched to Metro Sports for post-game, and got a “Midwest Hemerrhoid” Commercial.
Appropriate.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 14, 2008 3:49 PM CST reply actions
You mean Hermeroid.
have you seen my baseball?
by IISaiNtII on Dec 14, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh my fucking god this fucking sucks so many balls there are no words
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 14, 2008 3:49 PM CST reply actions
I think you found them.
It does suck, but when they came out for the 2nd half, they showed they were not going to try and win.
have you seen my baseball?
These guys
are singlehandedly taking away my enjoyment of football in general. Herm has to go. After they blew yet another opportunity in the first half I turned to my fiance and told her they were gonna blow this game. There is not enough beer in this town to get me past this one.
My question is
How can you have an 11 point lead at the 2:00 minute warning and lose?
have you seen my baseball?
So how was it Herms fault?
Listen, this is getting plain asinine. You can’t just blame EVERYTHING on the coach just because you think people will comiserate with you. This game was lost on ONE play. The onside kick. The CHiefs were ahead by two scores and the game was well in hand. All they had to do was recover the onside kick which only works maybe one in 30 times tried and the game is over.
It is plain idiotic every time something goes wrong to just scream HERMS FAULT!
But, isn't it just as asinine to never ascribe blame to him? You can't have it both ways.
BTW-21 losses in the last 23 games. Not only that, Herm has the worst record in the first three years of ANY coach in Chiefs’ history. Ever. And that includes a playoff season.
He is by record, the worst coach in Chiefs’ history. His teams have produced franchise and NFL records for futility.
You think he might have some blame? But, just like Herm does, you deflect blame from him.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
But EVERYTHING gets laid in his lap
It’s like some of you guys don’t even watch the game. You just know that somehow it was Herms fault.
Every time anything even remotely negative happens, it MUST be Herms fault. That’s what doesn’t make any sense.
Larry Johnson can’t make one freaking yard on 3rd down and people want to blame Herm for not going for it on 4th and 2 with a two point lead? What sense does that make?
Connor Barth, the fan favorite Golden Boy who Herm was such a “moron” for cutting in favor of Novak misses both field goal attempts, including the game winner. I still haven’t seen how Barth is any better than Novak was. He’s had easier attempts, beyond that I haven’t seen much, but still, thats Herms fault.
Pat Surtain, a 10+ year vet CB bites on a play action fake at the end of the game when he KNOWS they’re going to pass when they’re in Cover 4 and lets his guy get behind him for a 40 yd gain. But thats all Herms fault too?
Dwayne Bowe only needs to catch the onside kick and the game is over but it gets knocked out. Thats Herms fault!
DJ how in the hell is it EVERY week
We lose in the second half, and none of this is on Herm? Every week same thing over, and over again, yet it continues to happen, nope not on the hc.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
He cannot shake
the losing funk can he? If he is such a good coach, as you claim, why can’t he shake these second half woes?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
He is the one who
chose this path, don’t you think he should have had a plan to teach them to win? He is horrible.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
Yes he did choose this path
And we are just at the beginning of it. See where we’re at this time next year. I bet we’re a hell of a lot better with these young, talented guys with experience under their belt.
They’re already a hell of a lot better than they were at the beginning of the season. All these bad things that are happening are largely due to growing pains. Bad things happening at bad times.
That doesn’t mean you have to be constantly looking for blame. It should be expected.
Ok, DJ, we have a mountain of statistical evidence to support our view of Herm (including his Jets days).
Why don’t you “prove” your point with actual facts.
You know, something other than your posts which are really nothing more than you writing that you pushed the “I Believe” button and emotional platitudes.
Something factual and backed up by the numbers.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
I sincerely doubt you can prove Herm's worth more than we can prove his ineptitude and record for failure.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's not even about Herm
It’s about you guys having such hatred for the guy that you want to blame everything on him, whether its his fault or not.
Opinion, not anything relating to actual data
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Where's your proof that this was all Herms fault?
Seriously? Where’s your “hard data” that todays, or any of the other losses this season were Herms fault and not largely due to rookie mistakes or bad decisions by young players?
Herm is the worst coach in the first 3 years in Chiefs' history=FACT
There’s one.
Do you really want us to go line by line over the records of incompetence his teams have set? Even though we have already gone over them this season already?
Why don’t you post something backed up by data in Herm’s record here for once?
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
His Record
2-12. There’s the proof. And 4-12 last season. And no division titles with the Jets.
His losing record over seven years is all the proof that’s required.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Actually
That would be a losing record over eight years. This season’s almost over and even if he wins the next two games (which he won’t) he’ll still be under .500 for his career and well under for his time with the Chiefs.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
You
just can’t lose as as many games as Herm has and keep you’re job. The fans will stop supporting, which they should.
You're the accuser
You prove it. I’ve better things to do with my time than try to prove things to people who don’t want to hear it and won’t care if they are proven wrong anyway.
No matter what you’re going to blame Herm for every missed field goal or dropped pass.
I already have in this thread and in previous threads.
I will do it again if you actual back yourself up with real data and not opinions…for once
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
You are skirting the issue. Write a post with actual data to prove why Herm should stay.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
I've written dozens of posts over the last two years
I’m bored with beating my head against the wall with people that don’t want to hear it. It’s boring. You’re not worth the time to repeat it. Do a search and you will find them.
Your posts are opinion. Post something backed up by the DATA.
As I wrote, we have a mountain of data to refute you, should you choose to find something to support your claims.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
DJ why is it
Rookie coaches can get rookies to perform for a complete game yet Herm cannot?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
Three years of his
on this defense, and we suck.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
What team has this many rookies?
You can hide rookie mistakes when they are surrounded by veterans. This team doesn’t have enough vets to hide all the rookies. That has a lot to do with it.
Green bay did last year.
The chiefs aren’t even the youngest team in the league.
have you seen my baseball?
Yet he changes nothing
It is the same EVERY week, we get a lead, come out in the second half, and it is like they are ready to go to sleep. I was watching the news last week, and one of the defensive players said that they are too relaxed at key times, that is all on the coach.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
Why is it that rookies are the excuse?
Why was it ok to rebuild with all these rookies? Miami didn’t break it down after going 1-15, yet they’re in the playoff hunt. Why do we just “accept” that this TYPE of rebuilding is acceptable? Other teams have become better with FA, rookies and veterans without having to make as drastic an experiment in changes as Carl and Herm have done.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Why is it
…that a 1-15 Miami team can turn it around the next year? Maybe because they get a coach and GM that actually knows what they are doing? How about Atlanta?
Yet, we rebuild a 4-12 team and can’t even match the record? …I know there’s two games left, anyone think we’ll win them?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Have not seen your baseball!:)
And we have a determined Miami team coming in, do not see a win there. The return of James Saxon!
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
What? A determined Miami team in the hunt for a playoff berth?
That can’t be. They were 1-15 last year, completely overhauled the front office from top to bottom, and are winning with young, no name players, and a QB brought in a couple weeks before the season opener.
That’s impossible. Herm said we need years to even hope to get to that.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yep that team.
What would our receivers, and backs be doing if James Saxon, and Chalie Joiner were still coaching them? Would Bowe drop every other pass?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
Also, they are in the hunt in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL.
I bet they use some trickery…like having timeouts at the end of games.
Funny, they don’t have a clock mangement specialist on the staff like we do.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 14, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
An eight year coach
Needs someone to manage the clock for him, and he still fails?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
I think they are just lucky...they lucked out with an easy schedule
and just had some fluke wins.
BWAHAHAHA…sorry, couldn’t keep a straight face.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
He does that.
I think he is Herm.:)
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
If I were Herm
I wouldn’t acknowledge people that didn’t know what the hell they were talking about or that were just out to get me because they didn’t like me.
I appear to be right
after debating this for two years with you.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
Herm is supposedly this great motivator
He cannot keep these guys motivated for a whole game, dude he IS a fraud.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
You're making a fool of yourself DJ
You’re getting straight pwned in this argument. Harm Edwards is the worst coach I have ever seen, you or I could maintain a lead better. Who else is there to blame besides the coach?
by HarmEdwards on Dec 15, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Dang PT, that
sounded like criticism, not leaning toward the dark side are ya?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
Primetime's Been A Critic
He’s just a bit less acidic than Truth and I. :)
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Correction
He’s just a bit less acidic than you and Truth and I.
Sorry, Eric, didn’t mean to exclude you. :)
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
That's because when you get burned...you learn, and if you don't
…then you deserve what you get. Conformity is the cesspool of mediocrity.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
One Of Us...One Of Us...
:)
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
I am easily forgotten!:)
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
faaaaauuuuuhhhhhhkkkkkkkkkkkfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkk!
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 14, 2008 3:56 PM CST reply actions
if it happens once or twice
its on the players. But EVERY fucking week? if you can’t get your players to play BOTH halfs of football you need to get the hell out of town.
its a good thing
we are getting rid of the TD pack band for more seats. that way we can show even more empty seats in the stands to prove just how pathetic we are.
they
need to get the ball to Bowe and other receivers in the second half. Every week we go away from what works in the first half and start locking in on the double covered TG or just handing it off to LJ who gets hit immediately. Throw the ball to Bowe, he is a playmaker, let him make some plays, or why even have him?
is that anything like
“Close your eyes, and think of England”?
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 14, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
What in the fucking holy hell??????!!!!!!
I left at the 2 minute warning to drive home and we lost the game? WTF?!! WTF?!! WTF?!! WTF?!!
I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS.
seriously
after the disaster that has been the last 2 years of Chiefs football. Can you really not believe it? I knew as soon as they missed the 1st down on 4th and 1/2 a yard that they would lose. I had faith in our inability to close the game out.
Dude! sorry man but HELL is not HOLY!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Dec 15, 2008 3:27 AM CST up reply actions
It Is If You're A Devil Worshipper
Or an ancient Greek. :)
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Or a dyslexic devil worshipper...
…all hail to satan SANTA ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
There is a game within the game being played on the sidelines
that we haven’t won for 2 years
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Dec 14, 2008 4:05 PM CST reply actions
Are you going to tell us what that other phantom game is?
Because I have no clue what you’re talking about.
have you seen my baseball?
Our coaches vs. Their coaches
every week our side fails horribly
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Dec 14, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think
its on the players as much as it should be on the coaching staff and that bull shit zone we were playing at the end….we were trying to let them back in, and we did!!! we should have stayed aggressive on D it had been working all day. The coaches are scared!!! They lost the game, not the players. But I guess Bowe could have closed out the game on that kick-off. but he let that one go…….
Are any of you guys really surprised
I have lost count how many times the Chiefs gave up a lead in the second half. At some point as fans we need to expect the chiefs to give up big leads. three touch downs ahead? Nope, still need to expect them to give the game away. I’m not being pessimistic, it’s just that the chiefs have given up so many leads this year we need to realize the game isn’t over until 0:00 in the 4th. I was so upset when Barth missed that field goal. I was stunned. Until I quickly realized that this kind of shit has happened before (a lot) so in the end it’s no surprise.
I can't blame him
for missing the 50 yarder at the end.
the 35 yard one he missed tho… I guess it’s his first missed field goal in a game, so I’ll forgive him this time for that one.
have you seen my baseball?
yeah
but we shouldn’t have had to kick that FG the first time. WTF were we doing going for the homerun ball on 3rd and 1? I think that was a big factor in the outcome of the game.
There should be an award
for the most retarded plays/playcalls for games.
have you seen my baseball?
is the season over yet????
so i can stop being pissed off every week and have the draft to look foreward to.
This is a sick joke!!!
I used to believe in Herm especially after his first year in 06 when he took us to the playoffs, and we were closing out games, but looking back, that was just the remains of a veteran team making the last efforts. It has been down hill since then. Since LJ’s 416 carry season, since Shields and Roaf left in consecutive seasons, and since Herm just does not have the killer instinct needed to close games. Watching this team has become so frustrating. I would have rather us been blown out than to have us lose in that fashion. We need to approach the 2nd half of games the same way as the 1st. , no matter how many points we are ahead or down by, our play calling is too predictable, and we just lack the killer instinct needed to be competitve, i could see that loss coming from a mile away, thats the sad part. This shit is demoralizing.
Barth
Barth had a bad game, but for fuck sakes, he had no help, our defense choked. Im sick of Page being good for nothing but a crushing hit, hes constantly getting burned when it matters over the top. And granted Surtain made the int. but did anyone notice how slow his ass is, i mean who gets chased down by that bitch ass fag Rivers?gimme a Freakin break. At least Tamba is finally off the milk carton for 1 week anyways. I wonder how big a lead we’ll blow against the Fish next week, 14, 21, 28 points , hey it is Christmas right, they loving giving gifts away like NFL games. Defense where is your pride? Gunther, where are you in your motivation for these young guys? We need some fire like Bill Cowher style fire. Hint Hint. I miss Marty too, anything is better than this, i just can’yt take it anymore. This is what i Pay 250 + every year for the sunday ticket.
i hear ya
i pay for the sunday ticket as well as i am not in the area. And this loss today really really pissed me off. i almost punched the fuck out of my plasma tv (it took every ounce of restraint i had to go outside and cool off) . This is hard to watch. i love the chiefs but its so hard to watch them collapse every week. i was just commenting to my wife on how sad it was to see Arrowhead stadium about 1/3 full. man I can remember when there was not a single empty seat in the house and the noise was so loud it was almost impossible for visiting teams to play in. Times sure have changed, there are not words to describe how bad i feel about this franchise and how far it has fallen. Lamar Hunt must be crying in heaven about his team.
So tired...
I’m so tired of loving a losing team. It’s getting very, very difficult. I’ve loved the Chiefs for years (25) and I’m finding myself loving them more and more. I’m used to being a loser, so why would I want to follow a losing team. KC, pull your head out because your losing fans. And yes, there are those of you who say if you really loved they you wouldn’t leave. To that I say F**k that. Who wants to waste every year hating a sport they love because their team sucks so bad?
Eh.
Honestly, why is everyone freaking out so much.
Sure, we lost. It was terrible. But it isn’t like we had anything at stake, and we only get better draft position out of the whole thing.
I really really really wanted to win today, obviously, just as all of you did. But that doesn’t mean we should go apeshit cause we lost.
This is a really young-ass team. That is obvious. We have lost an ungodly amount of games this season that were incredibly close. Next year, with a more veteran team, we should win plenty of these games.
Everyone just needs to settle down. Herm isn’t going anywhere, at least until after next season, so it does no good to cry for his head. And, honestly, I don’t see too much of a point in firing him. Sure, he isn’t the greatest tactician in the world. Off with his head! But he is really good for plenty of things, most notably getting young players together and to play hard each-and-every week. Wouldn’t you rather lose tight, close games after we collapse late than simply getting the shit beaten out of us? I know I would.
Maybe I’m just an optimist, a glass-half-full sorta guy. But there are plenty of positives to be taken away from this game, and I’d rather focus on that and have minor, simple things that we can fix later be the reason we lose (like catching an onsides kick or not playing prevent) than having us play like shit and getting blown out. Tyler Thigpen, bonehead-play-and-all, had another fine game, something we can build on. Our seconday played fabulous, until the prevent shenanigans at the end, and our D-Line played the best game we’ve played in weeks. Derrick Johnson looks to be adapting quite well to MLB, and Rocky Boiman looked good.
On offense, Will Franklin looked really solid, and the running game is getting better. In the second time we played against a team with our new, advanced spread-type offense we still looked really good using it, providing further proof that the offense is not gimmicky and is going to work long-term.
Focus on the positives, folks, not the negative. This team is a much better football team than the one that took the field up in New England to start the season, or even just 2-or-so-months ago against Tennessee. Much. Better. Be happy with that, don’t be bitching and whining because of losses.
Besides, better draft position!
Draft Position
Doesn’t really mean a lot when your GM is a crappy evaluator of talent and the players he drafts usually don’t develop.
By the way, it was nice to see Tamba Hali show up for a game this year. Wonder where he was for the first 13?
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Just to state the obvious...
Whateve the other plusses or minuses of the Arrowspread offense, Herm’s gonna have to admit that it doesn’t allow for conservative, protect-the-lead playcalling. As the scheme stands, it /cannot/ pound the ball in the second half. I put that on the O-line, mostly, with coaching running a close second.
I hope Chan’s noticed this one, and it planning on re-vamping the playbook for next season.
Ain’t seen it commented here, but I saw a few people crowing a bit over wasted time-outs. Anyone else suspect this might’ve ended differently, if we’d saved one of them?
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 14, 2008 7:00 PM CST reply actions
A time out
would have stopped the clock… No telling if they would have been able to do anything though. No sense wondering because it didn’t happen.
have you seen my baseball?
I think we're improving
and coming together as a team. We need to support the coach and make sure the team knows that we are Chiefs fans and that Carl and Herm are the answer.
This rebuilding process is about getting better.
————————————————anyone remember the above about week 3?
The blame goes on all sides….Tyler’s decision to run at the end of the game -bonehead (hey, new nickname). The defense that couldn’t stop the Chargers. The coaches that can’t coach and calm the players down to play prevent defense….actually play SMART football.
Up by 11 with 2 minutes to go and lose the game…lol. I’ve seen a heckuva season and I’d suggest they continue on into the offseason and practice to get better.
We’re 2-21
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
BTW...just to bring up something earlier this week...
…anyone want to claim that was a sellout? If it was then they’re putting something in the drinks and everyone was in the pisser when I checked the stands.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
I was there...
..and most people were leaving by halftime. Why not,either? It was 76 degrees and we were up by a ton-who could come back from that.
/Eating his shoes, still filled with hand warmers.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
The greatest coaches in history...
…have passion, their players fear and respect them, they DO NOT stand on the sideline calmly bonehead play after bonehead play, they yell and scream, the turn red and foam at the mouth, they curse and occasionally throw things, they are walking heart attacks. Herm has zero, zilch, nada on these qualities. He is a bump on a log with no passion, and THAT my friends is why we are losers.
The reality is
Herm is not to blame for that lose. He didn’t throw that bonehead int in the endzone, that was Thigpen. He didn’t muff the onside kick, that was Hands-of-Stone Bowe. And he didn’t blow the FG’s. I do blame him and Gunther for letting Rivers set back there and pick them apart on the next to last drive. You know he had to pass, you had to blitz.
Coaches try to put players in position to win. The players have to make the plays. They didn’t. Bowe drops that ball even if Parcells, Cowher, Stram is on the sideline. Barth misses those kicks.
maybe so
but i bet we would have had a different play on 3rd and 1 the 3 times we didn’t make it. I also bet we would have brought a lot more pressure the last series instead of letting rivers throw all over the yard. Oh and that ficking little skip and dance he made after he threw the final TD pass made me sick. I wanted to rach through the TV and choke his ass.
Bowe and Barth
would have never been put in those situations if it hadn’t been for the poor coaching.
have you seen my baseball?
Barth's Kicks Are On Barth
But Herm’s unwillingness to go for it on fourth down (twice) so he could put the Chargers away did as much to lose this game.
And that’s the real problem…if the players are performing well, Herm’s conservatism lets the other team back into it. If the players aren’t performing well, Herm’s not going to come up with a gameplan to compensate. He’s just a drain.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
Whew
DJ is tearing it up in the middle! He is showing signs of unseating Willie Lanier as the all time Chiefs greatest MLB. Good decision Herm and Gun and anyone who agreed with this move. 3 solo and 2 assists that is what I am talking about. Flowers had 1o tackles, let’s try him at defensive tackle next week.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
BYARG
fuckballs and shicklesticks assplosion guhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 14, 2008 11:18 PM CST reply actions
Well said PARADE!
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
AJ Feely
Why exactly did they not keep him? I don’t blame the coaches for the players blunders on the field but letting a good kicker go for their projects was dumb.
AJ Feeley Is A Quarterback
Jay Feely is the kicker you’re referring to.
And I don’t have a problem with Barth. He’s 9 of 11 and had one bad game. It happens. Overall he’s been outstanding so let’s not go throwing him under the bus after his first poor performance. Even Lowery had a few stinkers.
"Going younger" is not the same as improving unless it's followed by tangible results. When a bad team keeps the same management team that ran them into the toilet then goes "young" by getting rid of all of their older players, and replaces them with young players who aren't showing much improvement, it's not a rebuild...it's a salary dump and "rebuilding" is just the marketing strategy for the chumps to convince them to keep buying tickets.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm is a joke.
I am going to go to the Miami game
and wear a toilet seat around my neck that says fire Herm.
We should not
have to rely on a kicker so much, getting conservative when the game counts kills us, on both sides of the ball.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
eggszactly
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Coaching Fail
15, 10, 3, 9 for 18:43
3,3,5,3,5,4 for 13:11
(Excluded: two 1-play “drives” that had nothing to do with the offense)
News flash to Ambrose Hermside: If you aren’t good at making half-time adjustments on Offense, then you had better come into the game with TWO game plans – one for the first half, and a slightly different one for the second half. The goal of each one being: Score points. The time-of-possesion thing isn’t working.
NF #2, regarding “protect the Defense”: If your O can get up by 3 scores, the D can afford to take chances, and bring pressure by /attacking/ their O. This makes for a better D, because it not only disrupts the opposing O, but it also breeds confidence in your own D-players. They spend less time worrying about executing, and more time thinking about how they are gonna attack the other guys.
There’s an old military maxim that applies here: Defense is stronger, but you have to attack to win. (For the Chiefs, read ‘Defense’ as ‘conservative playcalling’.
As long as I’m trotting out military history: Napoleon is reputed to have said “Ask me for anything but time!” Allowing the other team to put together long drives does /not/ work to our advantage – even if they only come up with FGs – if we are not scoring points with our offense in the second half. (The TD doesn’t count – that was a D score, for all intents & purposes). Letting them string together a long drive or two in the 3rd Q might look good on paper (Hey, two drives for 17 plays, and it cost them 7:20, and they only got 7 points!), but what it /really/ does is allow them to get their offense clicking, and their timing down, and their confidence up.
Final bit of military theory for today: Defeat take place in the mind of your enemy.
In short, in order to win, you have to make force the other guy to /believe/ that he’s beaten. Herm, you haven’t been doing that. You are playing a game of numbers and stats, like a Vietnam-era general who believes he can body-count his way to victory. It don’t work that way. To win, you have to invade the enemy’s /mind/, and convince him that he’s beaten. Anything less allows him to stay on the field, and find ways to beat /you/.
I’d e-mail this to Herm, but I figure that there’s as much chance of him reading it here as there is in sending it directly to him, even if I could locate an email addy for him.
I’m still fond of the Civil War nickname I gave him, but the comprison’s not quite accurate. As CW generals go, Herm compares better with George McClellan: McClellan did some good things with the Army of the Potomac: Straigneing out the messes he inherited, recruiting, training, logistics, etc. What he lacked was the instinct to go for the throat. He spent so much time avoiding defeat that he wasn’t able to /win/, and defeat eventually caught up with him.
OK, OK – I’ve bored anyone silly enough to still be reading this to tears. I’m done.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 15, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions
Nice post, got a kleenex?:)
When we were attacking on defense good things were happening, got conservative, went prevent, and that prevents you from winning. I liked remember the Titans, do not allow them to gain another yard. Herman run it up, leave no doubt! He is afraid of winning in a convincing fashion.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
[]~ There's your Kleenex
TY, Eric. Nice to know someone read it.
You have stated in sumary what I was getting at in detail “Win in a convincing fashion”.
There are no points in the NFL for letting the other guys stay in the game. You don’t get payed to avoid hurting the other guy’s feelings. You win any way you can – and far better to beat them by 24 points than by 1 point.
You knock them down, and jump up and down on them with your cleats until they run away screaming. It’s a far better thing as a head coach to be feared and repected by your peers than to be liked and respected.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 15, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions
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