Things We Can Hopefully Agree Upon
As the season winds down, we've been talking so much about what next year is going to look like. Between Thigpen, our defense and even our coaching staff, there is plenty of room for debate on how the Kansas City Chiefs should move forward in 2009.
We had these debates every day on Arrowhead Pride for months. Let me run through some of the topics I hope we can all agree on and then I'm going to pose a question for you at the end of it.
A lot of this will be repetitive to you so stick with me.
Top priority of the off season is getting a pass rusher
I'm really not sure how this can be up for debate. The defense has lost us at least three games in the 4th quarter. We will have the lowest sack total out of any defense in NFL history. Any quarterback with a minute amount of skill can pick apart a defense if he's given 6 or 7 seconds and that's exactly what's happened in a number of losses.
We cannot consistently win (or win at all) until the pass rush is addressed.
We need to draft a QB in the first two rounds of the '09 draft
You guys noticing shades of Adam Teicher so far?
As much as you may love Tyler Thigpen; as much as you may believe in him; as much as he's done for this offense, the Chiefs need to due their due diligence and get another top notch quarterback.
This has nothing to do with Tyler Thigpen. I repeat- This has nothing to do with Tyler Thigpen!
Even if Thigpen is the starter next year, we still need a capable backup quarterback. If this season has shown us anything, it's that career ending injuries are just around the corner.
Be smart Chiefs. Get a solid QB to either compete to start next year or backup Tyler Thigpen. Worst case scenario, we have two solid QBs on the roster.
Why wouldn't you want the best players at the most important position in the game of football?
Stick with the Pistol offense
Consistency is key here. Don't fix it if it isn't broken. The offensive scheme will determine what players we sign/draft and cannot be changed.
Don't forget about the offensive line
I'm a bit scared that people are overlooking what was one of the worst offensive lines ever last year. The drafting of Branden Albert went a long way towards solving the left tackle problem but it wasn't a "magic wand" for the whole line.
Frankly, get rid of everyone but Brian Waters and Branden Albert.
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Question: If you had to pick one and only one priority for the Chiefs to address (either listed here or your own pick) this off season, what would it be?
I repeat: I don't want to rehash our previous debates. I want to know what you think is the #1, can't do without addressing this priority. What one move has to be made in order to move forward?
You can tell from above my answer is drafting/signing a premiere pass rusher. For simplicity's sake, let's leave coaching changes out of this.
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There are arguments
for an against each of these priorities. We’ve already got a vote for the offensive line. I’d like to know why that is a higher priority than pass rush.
by Chris Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pass rush
Pretty easy for me…we’re about to set an NFL record for our futility. Please address it in the first round. More and more teams pass and the successful ones (NE, PIT) are using a form of the spread offense at times which means we gotta get to the QB quick.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And
I understand the offensive line argument. We need help badly. But just from a logistical standpoint, why reach on a guy in the 1st round when the same or similar talent can be had 20 picks later?
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pass rush first.
If we can’t get a pass rush, we lose! Thing is, who on the line do we replace?
by GHOST OF DT on Dec 10, 2008 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Get the entire line
….Oops, already done ;) like Denver did a few years back with the Cleveland line.
OK, that was a joke, but the pass rush should be a priority.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 10, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the talent is there.
Coaching has alot to do with why our studs are duds.LOL
Put Dorsey on another team and he has 2-3 sacks.
by GHOST OF DT on Dec 10, 2008 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If he was next to a top DE
Most teams have a guy that can consistently get to the QB from the DE position. If we had that they wouldn’t be able to isolate Dorsey so much and he would have had a better year.
by tevans96 on Dec 10, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There Isn't One Move That's Going To Advance The Team
There are just too many holes.
The defensive and offensive lines should be of equal priority, high picks with either should be a priority. My own preference would be that the Chiefs go o-line if an elite tackle is available, since it’ll be tough to win next year without a pass-rusher but tough to win for many years if our QBs keep getting hurt behind our Swiss cheese o-line (because it usually takes 2 full seasons to develop a quarterback whereas pass rushers often come on strong in their second season).
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
MIDDLE LINEBACKER
A defensive team leader.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the defensive team leader
but a leader on the defense can come from any position.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass rush, +10000
a top tier FA or draft pick lined up next to Dorsey would make a huge difference for both, not saying that the OL isnt a big need but we’ve shown in the last few games that we can move the ball on offense and can score some.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Offseason Priorities
Sign either a FA DE or LB. Draft: 1. DE/LB, 2. T/G, 3. QB, 4. C, 5. LB, 6. WR, 7. G
Stick with Thigpen, keep our current offense; at we are scoring some points and are in these games.
by bamakcfan on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
I don’t know who will be available in FA as a pass-rush DE but I would like to draft Laurinitis as the MLB in the 1st round. You’re other rounds are spot-on. This really only works if we believe Bradley is a true #2 receiver though.
by Chiefs4Life on Dec 10, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is
IMO one of our biggest problems against the Broncos was missing Bradley. Thigpen really likes getting the ball to him and Gonzo. I think Bowe is always covered up so Bradley’s catches may have more to do with coverages. But he is def the big physical type of receiver Herm likes. And i personally think he is a hell of a football player.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 10, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Julius Peppers and Terrell Suggs @ RDE, Karlos Dansby @OLB, David Stewart @ RT
Are free agents next year.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
Sign Julius Peppers and or Bart Scott.
Draft Maualuga/ Laurinits/ Johnson/ or Orkapo in the 1st. Then FOR SURE grab an OL in the 2nd. Then look for the under rated QB
by R2J_24 on Dec 10, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maualuga v Laurinitis
I would go with Laurinitis over Maualuga. Based on the little I’ve seen of both Laurintis would fit Herms’ cover 2 scheme better due to his discipline. Maualuga is a fantastic athlete but doesn’t play with the type of discipline needed for the cover 2 (similar to DJ).
by Chiefs4Life on Dec 10, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Julius Peppers Is Getting Franchised
The Panthers aren’t letting him go without giving up at least a first rounder in trade.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
sign Peppers and/or Scott
and draft Orapko in the first round and Spikes in the second
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds awesome...
Except like UC said, Peppers just might get signed.
Bart Scott is more than likely out of Baltimore, because they’re gonna focus on keeping Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs. They have depth at OLB, that they don’t neccesarily NEED to re-sign Scott and pay him a ton of money.
Orkapo or Johnson are both great DEs (preferably Orkapo – he’s a little stronger) And we can take Spikes/ Curry/ or maybe Cushing (if he drops)… Then we’d be set.
We’d have the experience and leadership in Scott and the youth and talent with a drafted DE and LB.
by R2J_24 on Dec 10, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers Is Getting Franchised
Source was Charley Casserly at CBS, via Pro Football Talk.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not too high on Johnson just yet
He is def. a freak but i like Orackpo better, stronger at the point of attack and more of a motor. However, BOTH play high so i dunno. Much, much rather have a proven pass rusher than a rookie.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 10, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ill say it now since the question was asked
The Chiefs will not be a .500 or better team next year, without signing a defensive starter who produces, in free agency.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 10, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
100% agree
Would be great to get a pass rusher out of FA, and a MLB but thats greedy. I would love to see Laurinitas or Malauluga in Chiefs uniforms…
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 10, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just hope
we don’t lose our first two games next season. Herm’s teams get off to a slow start and then have to catch up.
by GHOST OF DT on Dec 10, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Pass Rusher
but honestly, I wouldn’t be upset if we broke all the “rules” and drafted a RT in Round 1, going after a DE in Round 2.
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 10, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on draft board...
I eally think we will draft the best player on our board every round like Herm said we did last year. That seemed to work out pretty well for us.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the best player
available is a safety? Might go against all rules, but our o-line has been neglected long enough.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said o-line
does not matter how good your defense is, see Tampa Monday night, if you cannot match team score for score, and get sixes. Yes you need key stops, but more points is key.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will leave it alone, nevermind.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with O-Line
If we can’t protect the QB long enough to complete passes, or open running lanes for the RBs, we can’t score. If we can’t score, we can’t win. This season, with the least sack total in NFL history, we have still been within a couple of third down conversions to win the game. Our D has actually kept us in the game, but the O hasn’t been able to match up and score when they have the ball. If we can’t keep the O on the field, then the D will always be pushed to exhaustion and make mistakes.
The O line is the most important initially, no matter by FA or draft, it must be done.
by TXChiefan on Dec 10, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
I think its defense that should be our center of attention in round one, and LB is the strength of the draft.
If we can’t score, we can’t win.
We did alot of that in the “Air Sanders” days, and we still lost.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Dec 10, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least
With Saunders if we were down by two scores we were not out of it.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But we still lost.
I too think we need to go D for most of the draft.
by R2J_24 on Dec 10, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That has worked out well.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of Flowers
what first day pick over the last three years is a standout? We have been better at looking at college free agents, or the second day for defense.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwayne Bowe
If you’re talking about defense only, then Pollard’s been solid but not spectacular (except on special teams).
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I was saying.
Bowe, Albert have have been excellent additions to the offense.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think That Our Defense Is Always Going To Suffer If We Don't Dedicate First Day Picks To It
You can’t build a good defense off of second day picks either. But I think that offense should be the priority in the first rounds for the long-term health of the team.
Not that I have a lot of faith in Carl Peterson to build either side of the team. His draft record sucks…and that includes the supposedly great Herm Edwards years (where so far he’s getting about 2 good players a year out of each draft…which means we’ll only have to wait 11 years for him to build a full team).
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at all the first day picks have missed on defense.
Look at the few first day picks on offense, see where I am going with this?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree The Offensive Picks Have Done A Little Better
But if you go through his draft history, Carl has whiffed on plenty of offensive players too (Trezelle Jenkins anyone?).
His drafting judgment simply cannot be trusted. So while I think the Chiefs ought to focus on offense in this upcoming draft I don’t really believe that Peterson’s so much better at picking out offensive players that it would make a difference if he did.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By Difference
I mean I think his whiff rate will be about the same for offensive or defensive players…crappy.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Sims?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Herm is mastermind at scouting Offensive Talent?
by ChiefDJ on Dec 10, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone was saying
These drafts are his.:)
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are
Crawford always blames Carl and yeah, Carl is the GM, but if you look at his good and bad drafts, they fluctuate depending on who the coach is.
During Martys time, they had pretty decent drafts, Gunthers sucked, Vermeils sucked worse, finding some decent players with Herm.
Carl has his say no doubt, but he generally goes with the guys the coaches like.
by ChiefDJ on Dec 10, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All Six Of The Quarterbacks He Busted On Were In The Schottenheimer Era
And yet Marty’s been able to develop young QBs in every other place where he’s been given a prospect to work with.
So yes…I blame Carl for the crappy drafts, because his drafts have featured a high number of busts during his entire tenure.
In fact, let’s look at his record of busts with his first-day picks:
1989: Mike Elkins (round 2), Naz Worthern (round 3)
1990: Percy Snow (round 1)
1991: Harvey Williams (round 1), Joe Valerio (round 2), Tim Barnett (round 3)
1992: Darren Mickell (round 2), Matt Blundin (round 2)
1994: Greg Hill (round 1), Donnell Bennett (round 2), Lake Dawson (round 3)
1995: Trezelle Jenkins (round 1), Troy Dumas (round 3)
1997: Kevin Lockett (round 2)
1998: Rashaan Shehee (round 3)
1999: Mike Cloud (round 2), Gary Stills (round 3), Larry Atkins (round 3)
2000: Sylvester Morris (round 1)
2001: Eric Downing (round 3), Snoop Minnis (round 3)
2002: Ryan Sims (round 1), Eddie Freeman (round 2)
2003: Julian Battle (round 3)
2004: Junior Siavii (round 2), Kris Wilson (round 2)
2006: Tamba Hali (round 1), Brodie Croyle (round 3)
Looks to me like his bust rate has been about the same no matter who the coach was.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does that compare to other teams?
Nobody hits on everything.
3 rounds x 19 years = 57 prospects
You listed 28 guys (though several of those guys contributed to the team for several years) so thats about 50%.
Can you show me a GM over a 10 year period that did better? It’s one thing to complain about it, but that could be very high for all we know.
by ChiefDJ on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was being sarcastic.
The only true superstar on this team, and he did not come from Herm’s draft. Was on this team.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A little slow
right now, children ,ake me insane!:)
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Let's Look At Another GM
A.J. Smith…Chargers GM in charge of 2004-2008 drafts
2004 draft
Round 1: QB Philip Rivers (via trade for Eli Manning) – current starter
Round 2: DE Igor Olshansky – current starter
Round 3: K Nate Kaeding – current starter
Round 3: C Nick Hardwick – current starter
2005 draft
Round 1: OLB Shawne Merriman – starter
Round 1: DE Luis Castillo – current starter
Round 2: WR Vincent Jackson – current starter
2006 draft
Round 1: CB Antonio Cromartie – current starter
Round 2: LT Marcus McNeill – current starter
Round 3: QB Charlie Whitehurst – 3rd string QB
2007
Round 1: WR Craig Davis – bust
Round 2: FS Eric Weddle – current starter
Round 3: LB Anthony Waters – reserve
So cutting off at the 2007 draft class (since it’s too early to judge 2008) that’s 1 bust out of 15 first day draft picks for A.J. Smith compared to 29 busts (I forgot Chris Penn, 3rd round 1994) out of 52 total first day draft picks for Carl Peterson.
That’s a 6% bust rate on 1st day picks for Smith compared to a 55% bust rate on first day picks for Peterson. How do you think Peterson stacks up to Smith?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
So that FanShot I posted had a link and in the comments section this is what “Lifetime Chargers Fan” had to say:
I hope we don’t play our usual defense against a rookie QB. You know, the one that makes any young QB in the league look like the 2nd coming of Joe Montana. You know, lay back and let him complete 70% of his passes. Maybe complete 10-12 passes to his favorite receiver. The usual Chargers D.
Oh yea, wait until next year when Norv & AJ fix this thing. Oh these are the same two guys that helped create this mess. Well, I really believe they will get it turned around. Yea right. 45 years, and counting,since a championship Spanos. You keep these two around it may take another 45 years.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang
That last paragraph should be blockquoted as well. Man, 2nd time today that’s happened…
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Argument On Norv
He did an okay job last year, but I think he’s a terrible head coach in general. His head coaching resume is one long list of failure.
But hey, he’s been to the playoffs twice and even won a game…maybe we should put Norv in charge of our rebuilding effort. :)
(Just kidding…no fucking way I want Norv anywhere near this team).
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 11, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although
Unlike Herm, Norv has actually won a division title. So he’s got something on his resume besides just a losing record. :)
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 11, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need TWO pass rushers
Adress at least one in free agency and draft one high. Defensive end and Linebacker are huge needs that can improve this defense dramatically. We need AT LEAST TWO. I think one objective that I would have included in this group is “do not ignore free agency”.
by Shawn on Dec 10, 2008 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Agree
and reiterate “DO NOT IGNORE FREE AGENCY”. i said pass rushing DE in the first round b/c i believe this draft will me LB deep, just with some of the research that has been posted in the this site alone. And many teams may not be in the draft specifically for MLB in the early rounds but any team w/ the except of maybe 2 i can thing of would add a pass rushing DE if available in the draft unless they have a glaring need.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know we've been over this a bunch
But it’s good to see a consensus about our #1 priority next season.
by Chris Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is the thing...
The Draft will probably dictate our picks more this year than last even. Rey Maualuga (ILB USC) would be our personal favorite as a long-term impact player to toughen up the soft gooey center of our defense. Also, seems to be a character type guy and between Donnie (assuming he’s still around), Tony, Page and Herm there’s some good Cal-NFL influence to help him develop.
That said, if Orakpo’s still there we pretty much have to take him. Chris Long is having a solid year on a god awful Rams team, so hopefully Orakpo + Dorsey would do some damage, hopefully.
Then we say O-line, O-line, O-line, people forget this is why we are where we are right now. This is why the Damon Huard experience delayed the all too literal ‘busting’ of Brodie Croyle. If you can’t trust your o-line Brett Favre can’t save you.
People are all jazzed about Joe Flacco & Matt Ryan but the concept that either has single-handedly ressurected their respective teams is a media fiction. Michael Turner, Roddy White, Ray Lewis, Reed, and Derrick Mason all deserve a lot of the credit.
Matt Leinart is still riding the bench and Brady Quinn is out for the season after what we’d call a pretty middle of the road performance.
The 3rd & 4th rounds will be huge for the Chiefs this year as far as filling up a roster with players who can compete for jobs against what we currently have at o-line and the linebacking corp.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 10, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll Be Fine If It's A Pass Rusher They Take In The First Round
But I’ll throw up my hands in disgust then blast Herm and Carl as idiots again if they wait until the second day to grab more offensive linemen.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Don't Forget With Ryan And Flacco
The Falcons drafted an offensive lineman to protect Ryan’s blind side (and drafted Justin Blalock with a 2nd rounder last year). And the Ravens signed Willie Anderson to protect Flacco’s right side.
It’s not enough just to invest in a good QB…you also have to protect that QB. And aside from drafting Albert the Chiefs are still letting their offensive line rot.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
soft gooey center, huh. only Parade..
Select a QB in round two. RT free agency David Stewart. Deep six McIntosh.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Dec 10, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LB, DE
we’re a line backer and Defensive DE away from having a good defense. Hali is decent enough to keep, get another top notch Jarad allen type DE opposite Hali, and a Patrick willis or Urlacher type LB and we have our selves a great defense, our secondary is good. i like the corners. safeties are good, there not no bob sanders but their still good.
then offense, we are a guard and a tackle a way from being good, not great but good enough to hold their own.
this all can be achieved through draft and free agency.
no need for high dollar qb, keep thigpen, croyle, and grey good backups.
i say get rid of kolby smith when he gets healthy. LJ and CHarles make a great tandem.
by nfamous209 on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How Is A Defensive End With One Sack On The Season Good Enough To Keep?
Hali’s production has dropped off every year he’s been in the league. He struggled this year against the backup tackles he went up against. Not saying that he should be cut next season (since he’s still under contract) but we’re definitely in need of two defensive ends, not just one.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true
true, if we can find 2 good defensive ends ok go for it, but atleast look for 1, and a LB.
by nfamous209 on Dec 10, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We Definitely Need One
I’m just of the opinion that it’s more important to focus more on the offensive line on the first day of the draft than the defensive line because the team’s going nowhere if we lose another QB to injuries because the line can’t protect him. Bad defensive linemen give up a ton of yardage…bad offensive linemen can end your QB’s career. And it takes longer to develop a new QB than it does to develop a new defensive lineman.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but i think the injuries to the qb’s that we have is because huard is to old and needs to retire. croyle is just not built for nfl. he’s a twig. he stands sideways and he disappears. he had a nice arm yes, but the guy falls down from the wind blowing more then 5 mph, and gets hurt cuz a blade of grass hut his index finger so he’s out for 3 weeks.
by nfamous209 on Dec 10, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Croyle Got Legitimately Hurt
Even before he got his knee wrecked this season he said his shoulder was going to be screwed up all year. I don’t think it was a matter of him being a wuss…some people just aren’t built to take a pounding and there’s not much they can do about it.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 10, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree UC
I think that when he was hurt during LAST year they should have put him on a regimen to bulk up his body, and by that I mean muscle. They could have put 20lbs. of muscle on the kid and dropped his body fat % which COULD have helped alleviate the injuries. Of course that isn’t a guarantee, but IMHO I didn’t see the kid’s body change that at all between last seasons injury and the start of this season.
If you’re supposed QBOF is hurt, doesn’t it make sense to try to help him (with all the personal trainers on the team) to become more durable?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 11, 2008 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares who we
Get in the draft, if they come along like the defensive lineman we have got recently. ALL first day picks, and not even considered a force, not one. Some new coaching ought to come along with new talent.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And where are we gonna find new coaching??
by R2J_24 on Dec 10, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look to other teams.
They have assistants that may very well excel given the chance. You know teams like Baltimore, Tampa, Pittsburgh, teams that know defense.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of Dick LeBeau's assistants
have to have learned something.
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 10, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah to stay away from Carl Peterson
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 11, 2008 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol!
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 11, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Use the draft to improve the Offensive Line & LB's
and sign one (or more) of the many excellent, soon to be available, defensive free agents to address K.C.‘s pass rush issues. It’s not realistic to expect a rookie (even a top 5 pick) to resolve our pass rushing inadequacies. K.C. needs defensive front line help NOW not in 2011 (which would be the third year for a 2009 draft pick).
I do agree that a rush end should be our top priority – I just don’t want to use a draft pick on that position.
by HankerChief on Dec 10, 2008 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Linebacker
It’s been mentioned en passant in other posts, but I want to emphasize it. You can’t blitz without good LBs, and I don’t think a pass-rusher will be enough. I’d rather get top-flight help there, and hope to get lucky at DE later, than reach. BPA-wise, though,, I’ll take a DE if the golden opportunity drops in our lap.
Bottom line, however, is to get a player that allows the D to get sacks, and disrupt their O – getting too focused on picking the nexst Jared Allen will screw us for good and all next season. Personally, I don’t care where in the front 7 we draft/FA, s’long as it puts a helmet on the QB on a regular basis. The advantage of getting LB help is that it will help us on our run D – hasn’t anyone noticed that the running game is where we’re getting torched? A young JA-type won’t help much there, unless he’s /also/ a run-stuffer. JA wasn’t, at least, not at first.
Worst idea up there is a 1st-round pick at QB, unless the guy has “Super Bowl winner of the Future” tattooed on his forehead. None of them win SBs the first year, so with a new QB we’d be taking a step back next year. 2nd round at most -develop Bones & the new guy, let them compete, learn and challenge each other – maybe 3rd, depending on BPA & all that.
As for the ArrowSpread Offense, I surely hope that Chan and Tyler spend some time hunkered down in the off-season, and build a playbook that he can run that /evolves/ from what he’s been doing this season. Hopefully one that makes best use of the talent we already have, but with enough flexibility to make room for any new talent we can pick up. Especially if it gives Bones a level of autonomy that he can excel with – a bit like Peyton Manning, perhaps, with a higher tempo, less huddling, more reaing the D, that kind of thing.
Finally, the real obvious need is O-line help. A deep-threat WR won’t be helpful if the O-line can’t keep Thiggy off his back for more than 3 seconds, so anyone who believes that we need WR help more than O-line help is delusional.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 10, 2008 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Enjoyed this post a lot
I personally hope we don’t forget the offensive line early in the draft. This has been an issue for 3 seasons and it is really holding the offense back from being really good. It is still hard for me to stomach that we need so much defensive help when we have been spending a ton of our 1st day picks on But it is impossible to argue against needing a quality Defensive End. Are there any options at DE in Free Agency that would be a little less expensive than Peppers or Suggs? (Suggs has been playing in that 3-4 for a long time, could he adjust to our D anyway?).
by TheQ on Dec 11, 2008 12:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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