If there had been more than 5 quality players out of 53 on the roster left a year after Vermeil left then it might be different, but there wasn’t.

but I thought “from the ground up” meant not having to dig a thirty foot hole first.

I seriously CANNOT wait for this to unfold. I haven’t been more confident in the fact that this team is headed in the wrong direction due to the incompetence of management. Herm, Carl, Clark…it’s just a fact.
BUUUUUT…I said I’d give it another year and that I’d apologize if they even JUST make it to the playoffs. IT won’t happen, this rebuild is a joke.

The improvement is a facade and the QB is a band-aid. Fine, you guys want to rah-rah the Chiefs management….so be it.

How long is it going to take before you admit that you’re wrong? That these people can’t lead? My stipulation is simple…playoffs in 2 years…I’ll admit I was wrong.

Seriously, I’ve never heard someone who hated his own team more.

No, I hate the management of our team…not our team. There’s a difference. You, on the other hand, are perfectly happy with our team being mismanaged because you have no pride in this team and you don’t care about results. Otherwise you’d be questioning why the hell a guy who hadn’t built a Super Bowl caliber team in 19 years is being left in charge of the rebuild…since all that probably portends is that at best we’ll go through all these bad years to watch more mediocre teams. But you don’t, and you call people who do question irrational and that’s why I said it sounds like you’re in a cult.

How do YOU know what Clark is trying to do or what he wants?

I don’t…I don’t care what his intentions are, I care what his plan is achieving. I judge by the performance on the field and it’s been garbage. We got a fluke win over a not-great Denver team and a narrow win over a terrible Oakland team and we’ve been blown out in half of our games (by teams that have no business blowing us out). We were bad last year and we’re worse this year, and Clark Hunt thinks everything is fine because he’s not even expecting this team to be competitive in games. Know how I know that? Because he hasn’t fired anyone in charge for building a team that isn’t even competitve in half its games…which was his stated goal before the season

You’re pissed because you can’t stand Carl Peterson and by extension, Herm Edwards and have decided that no matter what they do its going to be crap.

Yeah, and if only the results on the field didn’t keep backing up my case, you’d definitely make me eat my words with a scathing rebuttal instead of just whining “Herm Hater”.

Make an intellectually honest argument providing objection evidence about how this team has improved on the field by going younger and I’ll reconsider my position on Herm.

The team had to be rebuilt and whether you want to accept that fact or not doesn’t matter one bit because you’re not in the decision making loop. You’re just an impatient fan that likes to bitch.

You can’t make something from nothing and no matter how much you kick and scream and cry, it is going to take time to rebuild this team. Just because you don’t like it and dont like the guys in charge doesn’t change that. If you cant stand anyone in this organization: you complain about the owner, gm, coaches AND players; why do you continue to watch? You obviously have no reason to.

Go watch some team you actually enjoy instead of bitching about this one all the time.

Standard DJ…you can’t come up with a single achievement to point to demonstrating that this team has improved from last year (which is the point of going younger) and you bitch at everyone else to cover your weak argument in the hopes they won’t notice that you’ve never substantiated your position that this team is improving (whenever you’re actually willing to take a position, that is, instead of just playing devil’s advocate to insult other peoples’ arguments so nobody will question you).

But you can only listen to DJ chant make his unsubstantiated “We’re getting better, we’re getting better” mantra with his “Herm Hater, Herm Hater” followup for so long before you kind of get sick of him and feel like prodding him into actually backing up his comments with something.

So far we’re still waiting for DJ to show us any proof that this team’s on the right track.

“Honestly, DJ, I don’t know if you’re trolling or if you’re just completely clueless.”

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Pot calling the kettle black. What are your expectations of management to prove their effectiveness? Timeline please. I’ve stated mine ad nauseum.

You are using the total wins/ loss record, not years coached/ years in playoffs stats. Herm has had success. He has also had terrible seasons and that skews the winn/ loss totals.

Her has had bad luck with injuries (his last year in NY, last year with LJ, this year with everyone) and that has caused those terrible years. I am concerned that Herm might be a factor in that, but I don’t know. I’ll give it another year.

Coupled with the injuries in KC is the fact that we are rotating the roster. Both of those things should be finite things, just not ending this year.

Or…ever? The man in charge hasn’t done anything in his tenure to indicate he can lead a team to a Super Bowl because….well, he hasn’t 20 years.

We are saving money that (hopefully) will be used on free agents to fill in spots where we miss on the draft.

We spent money this year on DeMorrio Williams to solidify the linebacking corps and he’s currently spending much of his time on the bench. We didn’t get the free agents that Carl Peterson claimed he was trying to get (Josh Brown, Jeff Faine) despite having money to spend this year. What makes you think this will change because we’ll have money to spend next year? And what makes you think that Carl Peterson or Bill Kuharich will target the right free agents? Their record on free agent signings has been pretty bad.

He’s been GM longer than I’ve been alive. Seriously.

But from what my Dad tells me the Chiefs were even worse off before he got here.

and I respect the way you comment. Makes me actually want to have a conversation with you.

Competitive to me means: Winning games, showing improvement throughout the season but willing to give a break when there are major setbacks. Such as, our 3rd string QB is starting, our franchise RB is having off the field issues… those may sound as excuses but the amount of injuries we have had this year isn’t normal.

I would be happy next year with a 9-7 record no less than 6-10 unless something really freaky is going on.

Basically, I didn’t expect a lot of wins, but I expected the team to improve and it’s done poorly in all the areas management emphasized and is only succeeding in areas that management threw in out of desperation.

Give me a measurable goal for next year. Don’t even look at the past seasons by Herm or Carl. Given the state of the team at this point and you are the owner of the team and are keeping both the GM and HC…what are you going to put on thier plan for next year? One goal that shows improvement….pick the highest on your list.