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Chiefs Needed a Boost and Got One from the Raiders

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You don't always have to play your best to beat another team. Sometimes you have to be just a touch better than your opponent. That's what the Chiefs were on Sunday- a touch better than the Raiders. No blowout. No gaping holes in the stat sheet. Just a couple of breaks went our way and the defense finally held an opponent back in the 4th quarter.

It was fun to watch the Raiders bungle their way out of a win. You kind of knew it was going to happen which makes it all the more funny when it did.

The fake field goal was classic Raiders chicanery gone wrong. I bet they practiced that fake field goal flip like three times and thought it would work.

Greatest tight end of all time...yadda yadda yadda

One of the biggest difference makers in the game was Tony Gonzalez. Gonzalez led all receivers in catches and yards yesterday, catching 8 passes for 110 yards. On the Chiefs only offensive drive for a touchdown, Gonzalez caught two 3rd and long passes for first downs, using his big body as a shield against the very capable but inferior Raiders' secondary.

Tony was feeling good enough yesterday that he was giving advice to Raiders' RE Zach Miller.

Still can't impose our will

When I say "impose our will", I'm talking specifically about being able to play the game we want to regardless what the opponent's defense is playing. The biggest test of imposing our will came, of course, in the 4th quarter.

The Chiefs were up by 10 points with 7:50 left in the game. As soon as the Chiefs got the ball on this drive, I really wanted to see them mount a 4-5 minute drive and just take the game completely out of the Raiders hands. Larry Johnson had been successful running the ball pretty much all day so I figured the Chiefs had a decent shot to convert some first downs rushing the ball and take away a big chunk of the clock.

It didn't happen that way. Two negative plays and one LJ 9-yard run forced a Chiefs punt.

Now to be fair, the Chiefs were able to convert first downs on their last possession of the game, effectively ending it when Larry Johnson ran for 15 yards with two and a half minutes left. That was impressive. Regardless, when the Chiefs' offense has left the door open before, it usually hasn't been good. The defense making that critical stop is the exception to the rule.

One key stat IMO in this imposing of the will is rushing first downs, which the Chiefs had seven of. Couple that with 10 passing first downs and you have one of the most balanced first down conversion rates the Chiefs have had all season long.

No more half time naps

3rd Qtr 0 0 7 3 0 0 3 0 0 3 7 0

The evidence that the Chiefs are getting out coached after halftime grows from week to week.

I think we have an acceptable offensive line now

Funny thing is, even though the Chiefs offensive line is playing as well as they need to play, a few of these starters aren't going to be on the team next year. Thigpen's mobility and Mike Cox's blocking are welcome additions to the offensive attack this year and probably the two main reasons we're not screaming at the o-line every week. To think that the Chiefs would go from having one of the worst offensive lines in franchise history to one that doesn't make the weekly headlines, you have to be satisfied.

Maurice Leggett

One of our, ahem, two rookie D-II starting corner backs, Maurice Leggett has been playing well above his expectations. Sort of a Tyron Brackenridge of 2008, Leggett has been picked on the last month or so by opposing teams who would rather pass away from Brandon Flowers and others.

On Sunday, he returned the Raiders laughable attempt at a fake field goal for a touchdown and added five tackles. Like Brackenridge, Leggett may be around next year to continue his play as the nickel cornerback but keep in mind that his name is getting called a lot because teams are picking on him. As excited as fans may be about him, history says it's likely he won't be here for long.

Running game

Larry Johnson ran the ball pretty well and it was Johnson's 15 yard run late in the 4th quarter that effectively won the game for the Chiefs.

The offensive line is doing an improved job of getting moderate running lanes open and our running backs are taking advantage of them.

Tyler Thigpen has essentially been the Chiefs' number 2 running back the last few weeks. He ran the ball 11 times on Sunday. Jamaal Charles only rushed the ball twice.

Our running game is performing at about the appropriate level of production relative to our offensive scheme.

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Derrick Johnson's potential shows up again

One of the things that annoys me most about Derrick Johnson is that he'll only have three, maybe four really good games a year. Yesterday was one of those games.

Johnson amassed seven tackles and a number of big time hits against the Raiders. He was pumped up and briefly appeared to be a defensive leader, something the Chiefs desperately need.

Well, Jamarcus Russell did makes things easier

Yes, a win is a win. But in the grand scheme of "progress", it would be tough to take a lot away from the Chiefs' defensive performance. Raiders QB Jamarcus Russell 10/28 for 132 yards. Seven of those completions and 103 of those yards came in the first half.

Russell, not unlike the whole Raider team, was not aggressive in the least and looked to me to be overwhelmed at times during the game. His ability to process real time football information seems to be lacking.

Thigpen's mistakes

Tyler Thigpen's tendency to throw the high ball showed back up again yesterday. On multiple occasions, Thigpen's passes soared way above their intended targets. A more capable defense has at least one more interception of Tyler Thigpen.

Even with those mistakes, it's pretty much impossible to root against this guy. He's established a fantastic rapport with his receivers, especially Tony Gonzalez and Dwayne Bowe. For the most part, Thigpen's timing was great against the Raiders and that has been one of his big improvements on the year.

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It's tough to celebrate this win because it's only our second win of the season and it wasn't especially pretty. The Raiders made mistakes and the Chiefs capitalized. A rather boring contest that probably won't be repeated next week in Denver against the Broncos. The Broncos are ranked 27th against the pass which has to make Tyler Thigpen smile.

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It is a win

I am not overly excited, it was Oakland, we have beat them six times there. Everytime I think this team has turned the corner they fail with a long losing streak again. The clock management was bad again yesterday, three timeouts in a little over five minutes. If Oakland had not handed us this game with the fake field goal attempt, do we still win? I know a little critical, but hey thats me. Hmm, Plaxico Burress in police custody.

by Eric Allen on Dec 1, 2008 9:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

3rd Q

…Miller said. “I got involved early, and then we didn’t have the ball as much in the third quarter.”
http://www.sacbee.com/raiders/story/1438456.html

So it ain’t all bad. Does need to get better, though – Herm need a long sit-down with Tony Dungy, I think – a crash course in motiation & second-half adjusstments.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 1, 2008 9:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why did the Raiders get

away from the run? Here I thought we had a not so smart HC!

by Eric Allen on Dec 1, 2008 9:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Tony's Advice To Miller

He’s right…Miller’s a talented TE, but he’s going to have a short career if Russell doesn’t dramatically improve his accuracy. One of these days he’s going to reach for one of Russell’s overthrows and BAM!!! he’ll get seriously messed up. Which would be a shame because he looks like he could have a very promising career.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Dec 1, 2008 9:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And Regarding The Broncos' Pass D Ranking

Keep in mind that a significant portion of that was because they lost Champ Bailey for an extended period of time. I believe he’ll be back and healthy against us next week.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Dec 1, 2008 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They'll put him on Gonzalez

just like the Raiders did with Asomugha – it is always a good battle. Let’s hope that opens things up for Bradley, who should be facing the nickel-back much of the day, with Bly on Bowe.

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 1, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing from week 4

was that we picked on Bly with Bowe the entire game. If Huard had kept a couple more fade routes in bounds then Bowe would have had another 70+ yards that game.

by JayrodT on Dec 1, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Leggett's TD

History may indicate that he is not going to be around. However, I like the idea that he is getting picked on. The less we hear about Flowers the better because that means he isn’t getting thrown too.

I went on NFL.com and watched replays of the Leggett’s return and he should get credit for being in the right position. He saw the whole thing and had Oakland’s kicker in his cross hairs well before the ball ever hit the ground. So if the Chief’s defense and special teams is about reacting and being in position, then he should be credited with a great play and not merely one of those “lucky” plays.

That said, the whole play reminded me of the Nebraska-Colorado fake field goal was so well read by the Colorado special teams it looked like Nebraska drew it up that way.

by schraggyj on Dec 1, 2008 10:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

it's official...

Tyler T. has a “W” in his short career…congratulation!!!!! I think now he’s ahead of brodie croyle in that department

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by ali_djoo on Dec 1, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thigpen's Mistakes

One thing I noticed and it needs to be coached out of him is with his cannon of an arm he will throw off his back foot a lot or just not step into his throws. That will cause the ball to sail and is bad news if he does it too much.

by tevans96 on Dec 1, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jamarcus Russell = David Carr

I haven’t seen that bad of an opposing QB since the Chiefs faced the Texan’s a few years ago. It can’t be overstated how bad Russell was. He was missing receivers by a good 5 yards when they were wide open. A better QB and the Raiders would have won this game.

The only positive to take away was the better tackling.

by rdub on Dec 1, 2008 11:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Raiders suffer from the same problem the Chiefs do

They’re incapable of developing talent. Review all the 1st round picks they’ve had through the years. The draft isn’t THAT big of a gamble and with their track record it ain’t all coincidence. Russell obviously has a great skillset some would kill for but he’ll never reach his full potentail in a Raiders uniform. I am one of the few that still believed Carr had potentail it was just squandered on an expansion team. He blew chunks in Carolina too but they brought him to New York and started actually teaching him fundamentals and took him back to square 1. This was never done in Houston or Carolina and the result was he showed great improvement and in the preseason played so well the Giants decided to only take 2 QB’s into the season. One thing for sure, if I was a Raiders fan I’d be DEEPLY concerned over Russell’s development and makes me thanful I’m a Chiefs fan

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 1, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed On Russell

It’s not reasonable to expect him to be a Pro Bowler in his first season as a full-time starter but he should be much farther along than he is right now. The level of inaccuracy with him should be extremely troubling. And the Raiders QB situation has been an absolute disaster zone since Gannon retired…even vets who go in there play like crap. A rookie probably hasn’t got a chance.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Dec 1, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to mention Walter too

I thought Andrew Walter was a promising QB from his class and the Raiders have done nothing with him. If you’re a QB and your name is called on draft day by Oakland, you better manage your money wisely….

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 1, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: History & Leggett

I for one hope he proves us all wrong. He’s really learning out there and improving by the week. I’ll take any signs of development we can get…

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 1, 2008 12:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

true dat

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 1, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to get with the times and be hip

you feel me?

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 1, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do

Bridging the generation gap as we speak.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 1, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Get With" And "Hip" Are Already Out Of Date Terms

Sorry Lanier, once you fall behind the current terminology it’s usually a permanent condition. Happens to us all eventually. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fo-shizzle to the manizzle

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 1, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I seem to have too many permanent conditions at this stage

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 1, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Denver's also 28th against the run

The scary question is what if the Chiefs go 6-10? Unlikely, but it’s @Den (who we somehow beat and is a complete mess), SD (who could only edge us out by a point at home), Mia (2 weeks is a lot of time for Joey Porter to say something stupid), and @Cin (worse than the Chiefs and in no way in a youth movement).

The worst part about a 6-10 is that it would hurt our draft position significantly and it takes Herm further off the hot seat while further validating a much more legitimate concern than the “fire harm cause he’s a doofus” is worried about. Namely, all his teams have been slow starters and strong finishers. Since we believe Denver effectively eliminated us from the playoffs yesterday there’s no danger of a 2006 crabwalk miracle to 1st round elimination, but with this consistent slow start track record what happens if the Chiefs’ development pays off but we’re never able to get off to better than a 4-4 start?

Dangerous. We’d like a nice 4-12 thank you, keep the picks high, keep the pressure on, but 4 wins is enough that the journalists can say “see I told you so” and probably keep things objective in evaluating the coaching rather than straight torches and pitchforks.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 1, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

6-10....and monkey's might fly out of my butt

and next year will be a whooooole lot better. I looked at our home schedule which is obviously stacked for failure considering our history. And history and stats is what I go by.
No one is pulling the pitchforks out for “harm” …we do however pull the stats out. I say keep him for another year…to prove what most of us have been saying. That way there will be no excuse.

The improvement (or lack thereof) will be visible during the Toilet Bowl against Cinci. That will be the answer to everyone’s question whether we’ve improved this year. I just wish we could play Detroit as well.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 1, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right there

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 1, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Minnesota will run AP all day..

by Joel Thorman on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

False statement.

That statement can only be true if you replace “Minnesota” with “a local junior high team” and “this weekend” with “barely”.

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Dec 1, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now if they have banana's in their hands when that happens

I’ll be impressed. lol

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 1, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares about the draft?

I think high draft picks are way overrated. They hold out for expensive contracts, they get all up in their own hype, their egos grow and get all pissy. It isn’t worth it.

I would be over the moon if we ended up 6-10, it shows great progress and would do our confidence a world of good.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Dec 1, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’d be happy to be in the 4-6 win range. To me, that’s where you get the most value.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In that 4-6 win range...

would it be wrong to go RT if he is the best player available? Will anyone be disappointed if we spend all first day draft picks on defense?

by Eric Allen on Dec 1, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DE

The top RT will likely be taken in the bottom half of the 1st round, at best. I’d prefer to address DE in the first round then QB/RT/MLB from then on (not necessarily in that order).

by Joel Thorman on Dec 1, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope o-line

Is not put on the backburner as in years past, we need to get the o-line of the next ten years together, then it is time to dominate!

by Eric Allen on Dec 1, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it will be

We need a RT (good ones in round 2) and a G (good ones in 3-6). And a center, which if memory serves me correctly is usually in the later rounds (5-7).

by Joel Thorman on Dec 1, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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