Morning Update (Raider Shank Edition)
by Chris Thorman on Nov 6, 2008 8:02 AM CST
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Print- Gotta love headlines like this- Broncos might not be fixable. Don't forget that the Broncos play the Browns tonight.
- Great point from Jonathan Rand at the mothership- "Without a strong pass rush, there’s no place for a cornerback to hide."
- Arrowhead Addict has a mid-season review posted.
- Michael Ash at WPI talks about the issues surrounding the Chiefs after last week's game.
- This headline actually made me feel bad for Lion fans.
- Jared Allen could be out 2 to 4 weeks with a severe shoulder sprain.
- Christian Okoye is not impressed with the offensive wrinkles he's seen this year.
- I hate reading stuff like this about KC's sports woes- "But what about Kansas City, where fans have faithfully supported the Chiefs despite no playoff wins since 1993 and just a single Super Bowl win almost 39 years ago? The Royals, meanwhile, last won a World Series in 1985 and have had just one winning season in the last 15 years. Efforts by the city to lure an NHL or NBA franchise with a new downtown arena have flopped. "
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The Broncos Are Most Definitely Fixable
Fire Shanahan as GM…that’s how you fix them. Let him go back to being just a head coach. It worked for Holmgren.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Yup
That game last night definitely illustrated why Shanahan should never be allowed to draft his own defensive players. They were horrible. That front seven is so small it just gets mangled against the run and they can’t generate a consistent pass rush.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Do you make it a habit of agreeing with your own replies?
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Yes
It’s often the most intelligent reply I receive. :)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
As much as I hate them
…they proved one thing…as poor as they are, they can still win a game by putting more points on the board. Injuries be damned as a poor excuse. Poor players? they got plenty of them. Starter? Lot’s of them hurt.
Maybe it was the QB? Nope, he can’t thow and catch to himself.
I think we’ve seen our division winners right there. Piss poor all around that improve and find a way to win in 60 minutes.
I hate the donkeys…bleeeech.
Just keep matriculating the ball down the field boys.
We'll See
I think that San Diego might figure things out and go on a tear now that they’ve got Rivera instead of Cottrell running the defense. I think Cottrell was holding that team back a lot.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
If that's the case
and i’m not saying it isn’t then Sunday is going to be a long day for us.
Just keep matriculating the ball down the field boys.
As For Okoye's Fantasy Advice
He made a smart observation about the trick plays (Ronnie Brown has certainly tailed off) but since he made that running back recommendation on running backs (the column was from October 10) three of the five running backs he mentioned as “good picks” because of their youth have missed significant time with injury. Ah well. :)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Kansas City Sports
And really…we’re not close to winning a championship in either major sport. The Chiefs are probably closer than the Royals just because of the parity in the NFL. I would love to have an NBA team but doubt we could support them. We’ll just have to stick to Big 12 bball tournaments and Big 12 football Championships.
What other cities of similar size have an MLB, NFL and NBA team?
I can think of 2.
Oakland-A’s, Raiders, and Warriors.
Minneapolis-Twins, Vikings, Wolves
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Minneapolis Is The Only Comparable Of Those Two
Oakland actually has a very large market to draw from with nearby population centers in San Francisco and Sacramento (and northern California in general). Kansas City doesn’t have those in the surrounding areas…it’s mainly rural.
I actually had an e-mail discussion with Rob Neyer a few years ago about the Royals being held back because they were a small-market team. I was taking the position that the Royals were bad primarily because they made poor use of the assets they did have, he was saying that it was because of the team being small-market and he sent along copies of demographics charts showing that Kansas City indeed had the smallest population base to draw from of any MLB city (including Milwaukee, Minnesota, Oakland). Although I still believe that the problems with the Royals weren’t about the team being small-market as much as they were about the team having a terrible GM at the time (Allard Baird) he made a good case that there’s only so much support for pro franchises to be had here.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Memphis Grizzlies
will be in the Sprint Center by the 2011 season, and if they are good we will support them. Just like every city if the team performs well the fans will show up and buy merchandise. There are alot of basketball fans in this area(mostly college, but if you grab a ku or MU player on that team we would support them) who would show up to the NBA games. I could see a situation where the Royals, Chiefs, and Grizzlies would be competitive at the same time and the fans support them all.
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Is that a bet? (grizzlies being there)
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I find that interesting
I live 15 miles outside of Memphis and this is the first I have heard of them moving to the Sprint Center, seeing as it will cost Heisley personally some $50 million dollars to break his lease with the FedEx Forum. The City negotiated a “shall not relocate clause” in the contract to build the Forum and I dont think Heisley wants to push the issue just yet.
Winning will bring the fans back and we all know that means revenue.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Nobody is saying that it's for sure
or that there are even rumors, but I think that Memphis and New Orleans Hornets are the best chances to get an NBA team.
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I'd like me some Dwight Howard in the Sprint Center!
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I'd also heard that the Maloof Brothers are antsy in Sac-Town
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Even better
The Kansas City Kings fit alot better than the Griz or Hornets. Even though I would much prefer the Hornets and CP3.
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Hockey and Basketball
With all the local college to compete with I don’t think KC could support an NBA team and I don’t think there is enough demand for hockey in this area. Hockey would take a while to nurture and develop considering we haven’t even had a minor league team for some while
We went to a Bulls game last year
and sat in the upper deck for 10 bucks, floor seats are exspensive, but there is also a crowd for those as well.
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Basketball failed here
already, whats the point of trying again. KC has not changed that much over the years. The best thing about hockey is the fights!
It didn't fail here
The team was horribly run by idiots. It would be alot different now.
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And Yet
You think it would be a good thing for the Grizzlies to come here? They’re one of the worst run teams in the NBA.
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BUT
The poeple who built the Sprint Center that promised to get a team here would be involved as well. They are a horribly run team, but with Leiweke involved they would be turned around.
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Not only were the Kings a horribly run team,
they also had to share the team with Omaha, they had to relocate to Municipal after the roof at Kemper was ripped off, and the idiots in charge traded away all the best players.
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its not fair to compare the old Kings..
to the current NBA. The NBA was completly transformed by Stern, its not the same game that it was when the Kings were in KC.
Exactly my point
I didn’t bring up the old team, I was trying to say that things would be alot different now.
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I'm Not Buying It
NBA owners don’t buy a team to be dictated to by the people running the arena…the Grizzlies are ineptly run in Memphis and if they moved here they’d just be the new version of the Kings.
Also, if the people running the Sprint Center are insisting on involvement in the running of a pro franchise, then I can see why we get passed over. Pro sports team owners don’t cede de facto control to outsiders.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I can actually see the plan in Memphis
just like with the Chiefs, they are rebuilding. They traded Gasol, picked up stud Mayo, Marc Gasol, and Darrell Arthur in the draft to go along with Rudy Gay, they have a ton of money to spend in free agency too. I’m not saying their plan will work, but atleast they are trying.
And I didn’t mean that they would be involved in any personnel decisions, just getting the fans in the arena, and helping to market the team across the midwest.
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Analytical and objective vs. an agenda and spin
I thought Ash made a good observation about the perspectives that people have when critiquing games, plays, players and coaches.
Short of an 8-8 or 9-7 finish, there’s nothing that would convince me Herm Edwards is the best man to coach the Chiefs next year. But when he deserves credit for something, he should get it. It’s obvious that many of the people who’ve written Edwards off have no plans to credit him for anything at this point. Acknowledging the team’s improvement, or admitting that Edwards may have been right about something, doesn’t necessarily mean you’re endorsing his continued employment. It just means you’re fair and objective. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Okay… Mountains of evidence from the past may reasonably lead a person to believe that change is necessary. Blogging with the intention of proving an opinion that is already formed seems like a valid form of expression. Those opinions do run the risk of losing credibility, however, since they start from a less-than-objective point of view. I for one particularly appreciate the comments that seem to assess causes of problems and credit as warranted.
I’m having trouble diagnosing the Thigpen/Curl situation as well as the linebacker/Gun debacle. Does Curl get any credit for Thigpen’s progress? Not in my eyes at this point. I don’t have a very good impression of Curl. Don’t know exactly why, but am afraid it’s due at least in part to the less than inspiring grandpa appearance. Sue me.
As far as linebackers, I’d like to believe Gunther knows what he’s doing and that his less than respectful tirades are an effective coaching technique. But I really wonder if Gun can no longer see the forest for the trees.
As far as Herm goes, I’m inclined to give him another season. He slowly seems to be getting the point that you actually need the offense to score points as a strategy in the NFL. When answering questions from the media, I believe he tries to give a positive, yet analytical view of what’s wrong. Like some others, I would like to see him accept responsibility more often and be more vocal about it. It’s too bad that we’ve had Herm as a head coach while he was still figuring out how to do the job. At this point, though, he may be getting it and we would release someone at the wrong time.
My biggest disappointment with Herm at the moment is the poor defensive showing after making that side of the ball a point of emphasis since his arrival. Take-aways are encouraging. And maybe the front four is simply young. But I need to see some improvement on the defensive side of the ball in the second half of the season. And my hope for the future is raised somewhat because of the play of this year’s draft and UFA kids. Go Chiefs!
Coaches
For most of the season I have felt that we would be better off by dumping the current coaching staff and management. I felt that we needed to see a lot better play than we were seeing and I attributed that to the staffs lack of ability.
Curl – I still have very serious doubts about him as a QB coach. With Thigpen’s rise I feel it has more to do with Chan making adjustments that take advantage of Thigpen’s abilities than anything to do with Curl. I didn’t like him before and barring Tyler coming out and saying that Curl is the best QB coach he has ever had I doubt my opinion will change.
Gunther – The LBs have been a mess this year and I primarily blame a lact of talent at the MLB position for this. How in the world Pat Thomas ended up being our best choice is beyond me and I think the OLBs don’t trust him to do his assignments, thus they get out of position trying to cover for him. Then you add in the fact that Donnie is constantly in and out of the lineup and we have no consistancy to work with there. This position needs major depth and infusion of talent at the MLB spot.
Herm – I have decided to change my tune and give the man next season, if we continue to make progress this year. We can NOT have any more games like the Panther or Titans’ games, IF we have more games like that in the second half of the season then Herm needs to go. I feel like the team is on the verg of getting it together and if they start to do that I think it would do more harm than good to change this offseason (I honestly can’t believe I just typed that) and we should focus on filling the obvious holes we still have.
Curl, Dick
I thought he was supposed to be “Father Time” and help Herm with his time management decisions.
If that is the situation, then he gets an F in my book for that position. I haven’t seen many teams with as piss-poor time management as we have make it very far.
I’m not really sure what the ole’ Curl really does. QB coach? I guess.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Quick note on Dorsey
I was reading PFW about us being close to something good when I thought about the comments on Dorsey at the end. I looked back at Ryan Sims stats and Dorsey already has more tackles than Sims every year except one and he is two thirds the way there now.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
sorry
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+West/Kansas+City/WWHI/2008/wwhi110608.htm
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Out Of All The Problem Areas
Dorsey struggling his rookie year is the thing that probably concerns me least. Is he dominant? No, but he’s a rookie lineman and it’s to be expected that rookie linemen will struggle.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Agreed
I didn’t expect Dorsey to have big stats this year. Seems like I keep hearing that it takes D lineman a year or two to make an impact. Whether it’s physical or mental, they need some time to adjust. I will say that the poor team rush defense numbers are somewhat of a concern as an indicator of Dorsey’s game. But I’m still confident he’ll mature into an excellent player.
We expected more, but as far as a disappointment far from it....
Unfortunately for the Chiefs, the one rookie disappointment so far has been their highest draft choice, fifth overall selection DT Glenn Dorsey. Expected to step right in and be a force in the middle of the team’s inexperienced D-line, Dorsey simply has not been stopping people at the line, contributing just 22 tackles and no sacks. We also hear that he has some technique issues, such as taking on blockers too upright, that need to be fixed. Luckily for him, his leash has plenty of slack.
Dorsey is being used differently here in KC than at LSU, which could explain his slow start from the gates. Also, we’re only half way through the season how can anyone say that he’s already failed to live up to expectations? I saw Dorsey making plays against Tampa last Sunday, because there not highlight reel plays does not mean that he’s still not making an impact. The only play I saw from our former 1st round pick (Sims) make last Sunday was when he belly flopped on the pile after the running back was already on the turf.
This draft class is spoiling people into believing that everyone straight out of college should be able to compete at a high level in the NFL.
by aPacificChief on Nov 6, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Have you got dibs on "smunched"?
great word!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Danke
everyone is welcome to use it…
I am certainly stealing “retardulous” from whoever posted that in another thread =)
Not sure if you noticed...
but Sims looked overweight as all hell too. His jello-like gut was shaking like an earthquake after that belly-flop.
Looks like he still has trouble staying in shape.
by Ochophosphate on Nov 7, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Lions Not Selling Out
I think that this might have something to do with it. Before, the Ford Company could buy up additional tickets to prevent the blackout. Tough for a company to justify spending money on 7,000 football tickets when your revenue is completely in the crapper.
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