Chiefs Get Feel Good Win Against Hapless Raiders
by Chris Thorman on Nov 30, 2008 6:19 PM CST
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It wasn't pretty, exciting or convincing. But the Kansas City Chiefs got a win.
The Chiefs topped the Raiders 20 to 13 this afternoon in a rather boring contest.
Here are a few key points from the game:
- The Chiefs played excellent on 3rd down with a 53% conversion rate.
- Larry Johnson ran effectively on 22 carries for 92 yards.
- Thigpen really zeroed in on Tony Gonzalez today. TG caught 8 passes for 110 yards. Bowe caught 2 passes and a few other players caught one.
- The Chiefs defense played one of its best games of the year. We cut down on missed tackles and we contained the run as best we could.
At the end of the day, a win is a win. This feels great.
Rest of the AFC West
The Broncos are beating up on the Jets. Stats are here.
The Chargers lost 22 to 16 to the Falcons. Stats are here.
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JaMarcus Russell
Has got to be in the discussion for worst QB in the league right now. Unbelieveable how many wide open throws he screwed up. If the Raiders had a QB who was able to complete even half his throws I don’t think we pull out this win.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And It Wasn't Because Of Our Pass Rush
Zero sacks…again.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to put it this way
But he seems too mentally slow to play the game.
by Chris Thorman on Nov 30, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like he is trying to put a hole in the receiver everytime he throws a pass.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Nov 30, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We forced three of his eleventy bad throws
DJ blitzed once and forced what should have been intentional grounding and Hali and Babin each forced one bad throw…is there a reason we are still only rushing 4 guys 90% of the time? Have we figured out that our front four isn’t good enough for that?
by PVChiefsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy.
He played really well against Denver last week, and he started off hot today, so I figured he might be on the way up. Finally figuring stuff out.
Uh, no. After his 4-6 start, he made about two good passes the rest of the game; everything else was thrown five feet over a receiver’s head and/or five feet ahead of him. It was pretty embarrassing. Bones certainly didn’t have one of his better games, and he made two terrible, atrocious throws, but he still clearly outshined JaMarcus.
by rockchalk on Nov 30, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mathematically, we aren't eliminated from the playoffs yet
So just keep your “feel good” talk until next week
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Nov 30, 2008 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We were mathematically eliminated
this afternoon-but we could still finish 2nd in the division
by KHAZAD on Dec 1, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy we finally put up a W on the road.
All I can say is thank you Raiders!!!
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Nov 30, 2008 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone tired of the TG basketball analogies yet?
How long has this guy been in the NFL. Sorry it just got old I guess.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Nov 30, 2008 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds
that Herm is fired at the end of this season after this win?
Ridiculous Upside: All the "Almost NBA" info you can handle!
by Ridiculous Matt on Nov 30, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Probably About The Same As If He Lost This And Every Other Game
I don’t think Clark Hunt cares that much any more. Herm’s probably coming back…and if this win is the reason for it, it shouldn’t be.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically? >15%
Which is maybe down from like 17, but it’s entirely possible that it’s been 0 all season with the ‘rebuilding’ mantra going around.
This kills the ‘historically bad’ monkey on his back, but we’d be surprised if anybody major other than maybe special teams gets canned.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Nov 30, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate To Say It
But that’s probably right. And I’ll bet Herm will stick up for Priefer too so he probably won’t go either.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our kick coverage has gotten better as the season progressed (perhaps because Barth can actually kick it to the endzone occasionally)
but our return game is still ridiculous (not in the good way)
by PVChiefsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep telling you guys, Herms job has not been in danger at any time this season
They knew this was going to be a rough season and it has been. Next year will be the determining year.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 30, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been sayin it
Play to Tony Gonzales and we will get to the W.
I never got to see or hear the game. Only what I’ve been reading around the net. It still feels good to see a win against those sad sack raiders in their own house.
GO CHIEFS!!
by bigbearomaha on Nov 30, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was really nice to see us play well in the second half.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Nov 30, 2008 6:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Asomugha was on Gonzalez
who was shutting down Bowe? I think he only had three balls go his way (1 drop, 1 good catch, 1 great game saving catch)?
by PVChiefsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seemed like Thigpen was locked on TG most of the game
The Raiders were getting a lot of pressure on him so there wasn’t a lot of time to go through progressions, so maybe thats the reason. But didn’t seem like he was really looking for anyone else.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 30, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh
Bills scored THREE today. How terrible is our defense??
by Chris Thorman on Nov 30, 2008 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Run Defense, Run Defense, Run Defense
The difference had a lot more to do with the fact that Fargas is just not a good runner. We still made him look like a workhorse, but that dictated both games. Lynch and Jackson own the lines, Trend Edwards get his groove back. Fargas gets contained, McFadden is a no show on the ground, boom, Jamarcus Russell goes back to his hefty boy modelling school mode.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Nov 30, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, we had five turnovers.
One of which directly led to a TD on the return. And they scored like 20 points off TOs, right?
So, there’s that, which is a huge difference. Plus Trent Edwards came out of the game in the second half.
But still, yeah, our D sucked. It played much better today, but it was absolutely pathetic last Sunday.
by rockchalk on Nov 30, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strange Games
Last week: Bills beat us by 20, Raiders win big over the Broncos
This week: Bills get beat by SF, We beat the Raiders, and the Broncos win big over the Jets
Just goes to prove that the team has to show up and play the game. We did well today and I’ll give the team credit for playing better than the Raiders today, which is all that matters. Can we do it two weeks in a row? I think we can show up and beat the Broncos in their house as well.
by TXChiefan on Nov 30, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I think we can show up and beat the Broncos in their house as well."
They do that, and they should turn a few heads.
We’ve been lousy at Mile-High for years. If Herm can haul in this year’s Bad News Chiefs (Bears), and even squeak out a win there, folks will need to re-think about screaming for his head.
Ain’t been a coach here that I can remember doing as well as .500 in Denver, long-term. Herm gets us to the point where we got a decent shot at 4 Home/away wins against the Faders & Donk-o’s, and he may be a keeper.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 1, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's Glen Dorsey's deal?
DJ shows up today, Leggett and Boiman look serviceable, Hali even makes a few plays, but still no Dorsey playmaker plays.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Nov 30, 2008 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
D-taclkes need help to make "big" plays
Especially the other tackle, ends, and LBs. If those ai’nt soaking up boidies, they double the best guy.
Ergo, how often was he 2teamed? Also, howoften did a 2team on him allow a good play by someone else?
by Bleedingredandgold on Nov 30, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give the ST group a little credit today
they made some plays, if not picking up returns.
I miss Savage. He may not have had better results, but he was more fun to watch.
by Bleedingredandgold on Nov 30, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Savage brings no less to the return game than Robinson and has more value to the offense.
by Idahochief on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Robinson
is by far the better returner to me. Doesn’t have lighting speed but he jukes well, is hard to hit, and controls the ball better than Savage. Savage doesn’t have the technique and he looks on the field like what he is: a fill in
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 30, 2008 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Robinson
starts breaking the occasional long one consistently, I’ll agree that he’s better.
Savage may not have the technique, but he’s generally been good for an extra yard or 3 after contact, and Robinson’s not as good a hitter, from what I’ve seen. What’s the stats sheet say?
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 1, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold a good return man down
Then take advantage of a gift on ST to score= 1 win
by KHAZAD on Dec 1, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
What happens now?
Blame my wife!
by sir eccles on Nov 30, 2008 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chan earned his money today.
I thought Chan did an excellent job managing Thiggy today. He could tell his throwing was a little off so he utilized his other talents for gain. Adaptable play calling seems to be his strong suit.
by Idahochief on Nov 30, 2008 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
And Thiggy seems adaptable, too
by Bleedingredandgold on Nov 30, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Herb Taylor start today
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Nov 30, 2008 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not Sure
He was playing right guard for awhile, though.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saw Wade Smith at RG most of the day
So Herb Taylor might have just been filling in for him a couple plays.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 30, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
It was in the first quarter so he might have just subbed in for a bit. Got a false start penalty when he jumped the snap by a half-second.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was playing RT on that play. The idiot announcers thought he was playing RG since Cottam was in a 3 point stance to the right of him.
by DThomasReigns on Nov 30, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He Was The Guard
He jumped right across the front of the center as he was snapping.
I agree with you about the announcers (we got a terrible draw for this game) but they were right about his position.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 30, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was the RG.
Just on an unbalanced line, with McIntosh to the left of Albert effectively lining up as a ‘tight end’ and Cottam to the right of Taylor.
That’s why it looked like he was the RT.
by rockchalk on Dec 1, 2008 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Niswanger was dinged up
the play before the false start- Smith moved to center, Taylor came in and played Guard.
by KHAZAD on Dec 1, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next time I should ask "Who's on first?" :)
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 1, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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