Does Tyler Thigpen Need To Win To Keep His Job?
I've heard mixed reactions to the suggestion that the Chiefs will still draft a quarterback on the first day in April's draft. Some say we need to draft a quarterback regardless of how Thigpen finishes the season. Others say we need to wait on Thigpen and I want to pose a question to those of you who say our interest in a quarterback in April depends on how Thigpen finishes.
Does he need to win? Or does he need to continue to post good numbers (200+ yards, positive TD:INT ratio).
Thigpen himself seems determined on winning despite his numbers:
"When you go to do all these contract things, a lot of people look at statistics," Thigpen said. "It doesn't matter if he plays good. Did he win? That's the biggest thing."
While his numbers have been outstanding considering who he was prior to the season but are they enough? Is 700+ yards and no interceptions in a three game losing stretch good enough?
In my mind, he's gotta win. If there isn't one NFL victory on his resume entering next April then I think we need to pick up a quarterback on the first day. Thigpen's stats are impressive. He was a nobody now and is now playing himself into a must-have fantasy player. But he hasn't demonstrated an ability to win an NFL football game yet.
Which would you rather see happen?
- Thigpen plays well statistically but doesn't notch a victory
- He plays very average but we go .500 down the stretch
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Thigpen
In my mind, Thigpen is under the same cloud every other player on the team is on. With so many holes on the roster, how can you put everything on his shoulders and say well he didn’t win so so he’s not the starter. Is it Thigpens fault that after putting up 31 points they still lost because the defense was getting run all over? I don’t think so. Is it Thigpens fault that a missed extra point because a backup snapper that was moving furniture for $13 an hour the week before botched a snap? I don’t think so.
The QB has to be able to win, no doubt, but when the roster is so full of holes like it has been all year, I don’t think you can point to that one position and say that its his fault.
If Thigpen continues to develop and play well as he has, I think he will have earned the right to be the starter at the beginning of next season. But that doesn’t mean he is the “franchise” QB. I still think we should draft a QB. How high depends on how committed they are to this spread style offense. If they are going to scale it back and use the offseason to work with Thigpen on more conventional NFL offense, we don’t know if he will be able to do that or not and I think we should be looking at a 1st round QB (can never have too many good QB prospects and we have the cap space to carry him and can always trade him for picks to a desperate team later).
However, if they are going to commit to a form of the spread long term, they can be looking at the group of QBs that are often passed over as “system” QBs that run the spread in college in the 3rd or 4th rounds. Graham Harrell, Chase Daniels, etc. These QBs are less useful to a conventional NFL offense, but in the spread, they can get the job done and at a later draft pick that will free us up to pick up LBs or DEs in the top rounds.
by ChiefDJ on
Nov 28, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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Not Really
Because he’s one of the players on the team playing well enough to win.
He’s outperformed Huard and Croyle, Quinn Gray’s likely not a long-term solution, Thigpen’s no more of a risk than any of the free agent QBs available this offseason and even if we draft a rookie it’s unlikely he could step in his first year and play better.
Assuming he doesn’t completely go in the tank for the remainder of the season for individual performance there’s no reason not to keep him as the starter.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Nov 28, 2008 10:32 AM CST
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Or at the very least
Legitimately competing for the job with someone else.
by primetime 07 on
Nov 28, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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Agreed
He’s earned his shot so far. If he completely blows for the rest of the season I might feel differently but as of now even his bad games since the spread got brought in have been good enough for us to keep him as a starter or possible starter.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Nov 28, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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Off topic
I emailed you but it bounced back. Email chiefssportsblognation@gmail.com RE: MU/KU game.
by primetime 07 on
Nov 28, 2008 10:55 AM CST
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Hey
there talking about us behind our back again!
j/k :)
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on
Nov 28, 2008 11:01 AM CST
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What do you know?
Thought you were just an echo :)
by primetime 07 on
Nov 28, 2008 11:02 AM CST
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No Worries, Lanier
Just trying to see if we can meet up at the KU/MU game. :)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Nov 28, 2008 11:06 AM CST
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read lower, there was a just kidin :)
I have nothing to do today other than give you guys a hard time. They wont let me talk with Carl at One Arrowhead Drive.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on
Nov 28, 2008 1:07 PM CST
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Sent A Reply That Included My Cell
Just let me know if you got it.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Nov 28, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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IMHO
he doesn’t necessarily have to win THIS year. 2nd round QB draft pick is almost a must though depending on who’s available. MLB and DE MUST, I repeat MUST be addressed in free agency and/or the Draft. He needs a COMPLETE supporting cast that hopefully can stay healthy. I’d keep Gray as our exp backup for next year which we could go into training camp with Bones, Gray and a rookie at QB.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on
Nov 28, 2008 10:33 AM CST
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Winning depends on the team
If he keeps playing well and gets over the bad game he just had but the rest of the team keeps costing us games. If that happens then to me he doesn’t need to win. One of the best signs this season was the one where he drove us down the feild at the end of the game, he got the TD and then we had to decide to tie or go for the win. He is really really good in the 2 minute drill so I like him as the starter if the rest of the team gets better.
by tevans96 on
Nov 28, 2008 11:06 AM CST
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"In my mind, he's gotta win."
Well, Thiggy seems to agree with that, so it’s hard to argue the point.
A lot is made about the Spread O, but I don’t see that as a destination. I see it as a direction, and a starting place. If Bones can build /from/ the spread, and become something of a Peyton Manning Light (or better than lite), we’d have an offense to be reckoned with. Time will tell, though, where this train can go.
by Bleedingredandgold on
Nov 28, 2008 12:44 PM CST
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If he keeps playing well
Why not him as the starter, at least competing for the spot? Last week he had a not really a bad game, but not great either. Yes he turned the ball over, with Huard or Croyle would we have scored 31? I doubt it, Huard would still be on the field in fetal position. Croyle not his fault, but we now what would have happened there. Bones has shown he is durable, can get up after getting flattened, and brings energy.
by Eric Allen on
Nov 28, 2008 1:40 PM CST
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Lets not forget who would have won if our d wasn't so bad
Come on I mean our d is terrible..I give him my vote as a starter as long as he conitnues to post positive numbers..We need a mlb and de within the first two rounds..We still have some huge neeeds
by CALIFAN1986 on
Nov 28, 2008 2:10 PM CST
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Agreed
He’d already have at least one and possibly more wins if our ‘D’ held up their end of the deal. That said, our injuries on defense, although not an excuse, has certainly been a factor in their performance of late.
by HankerChief on
Nov 28, 2008 4:35 PM CST
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Thigpen Deserves It
He has done nothing but produce and put up great numbers despite the O-Line weakness and the losses should be attributed to the defense. He should be called the starter until he proves he can’t handle it. I believe that his numbers are better compared to any veteran out there with a line similar to ours. He has shown poise and ability. He is young and mobile and has a great upside. I think it is time to let him shed the stigma of being a small time college QB and the draft ranking. The only thing that matters is “What can you do for us today and tomorrow?”
Thigpen is the best possibility for our QBOF right now and until he shows that he can’t handle the pressure, which I doubt will happen, he deserves our respect for producing beyond the expectations of everyone. I’d match him up with any of the QBs picked over the past 3 years that were projected as QBOF on other teams. Stat for stat, when measured against protection, pressure, and production, he is standing just as capable. I think we are wasting a pick if we draft any QB. With a solid line, and solid Defense, he will be able to lead the offense and we WILL win games.
Let Grey, Croyle, and Martin fight it out for backup or a position on the team to carry us through next year, as we work our way to the playoffs and round out the rebuild. By then we will need to draft a high QB to train up to replace him, or whomever is standing next year. The solid D and O line is the key to a good QB.
by TXChiefan on
Nov 28, 2008 9:15 PM CST
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I know it seems to be a "fan" thing to do but...
Can we stop holding unrealistic ideas about quarterbacks? Please?
Quarterbacks DO NOT win or lose games. Teams win games.
For every pas a quarterback throws, he must throw it accurately and have the arm to get it where it needs to be. He has to know his own arm to do his best to not overthrow or underthrow.
Having said that, a pass is a two way street. A receiver must catch the ball for it to work. He must stick to his route, he must not let himself get beat by the defense, he must actually, believe it or not, catch the ball.
In order for a quarterback to get the play off right and have the opportunity to get that pass or hand-off done, the offensive line needs to be doing their job. Keeping the defense out of the qb’s face.
Of course, all this is null and void if a QB is doing what he is supposed to do, getting points on the board if the other side of the TEAM isn’t pulling their weight.
Like the Defense. We could ask them to maybe, just once ya know , actually tackle someone. Please.
I do believe people don’t understand the concept of “Team” in the NFL".
Quarterbacks do not win or lose games. Teams do.
Are some quarterbacks better than others? Sure there are.
Is there a QB in NFL history that has NEVER had a ball intercepted? Don’t be ridiculous.
There were interceptions in the last game, not something anyone wants to see. Some due to the QB not throwing correctly, some due to the receiver not doing his hob ( but everyone still wants to blame the QB for the receiver, go figure ) Despite that, he still managed to help the team score 31 points. I think that’s pretty damn good. 31 points should win most football games. if there was a defense to help out.
My opinion is, he has the start for the rest, the little left, of this season. Next season is next season.
Who knows, Herm might decide to trade him for a new pair of sneakers or whatever Herm pulls out of his … as usual.
by bigbearomaha on
Nov 29, 2008 7:45 AM CST
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