Problems

by DT58forever on Nov 20, 2008 12:08 PM CST Comment 25 comments

im at work so ive got to make this fast

from what ive been reading and hearing i thought id highlight a couple problems and see what everyone thinks.

Can we even evaluate good talent, or help players to grow? ( and i dont mean our new draft picks) Things like why havent we seen more D-Williams at linebacking with how short we are. What about other LB's we let go Fujita, Mitchell or even Walden and Savage I thought they were great role players. Lets not forget the one of the reasons our running game has gone down hill Tony Richardson. ( yes I know we didnt have shields or roaf....im just saying)

Or the signing of DVD and his great get caught from behind speed!( he has 7 catches this season) Mark Bradley was a good sign! But we would have never firgured that out if we didnt start running the spread... I think we have poor talent scouts.

Dont take this the wrong way but with a season pretty much wrapped up why arent we given more of our raw players some play time EX: richardson, morgan. Now overall we have given our young players plenty of playing time and i think that is great.

Ive tried to give Herm a chance but more and more Im starting to see how incompetent he really is. He consistently makes poor game decisions. I read a recent article at warpaint that pretty much nailed my whole point on this one.

Sorry I know its very scattered and not detailed but duty calls

Whats everyones stance on some of these issues?

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He should go. I’ve givin him all the chances to show some progress but he sucks. He only had success with Dick V’s Leftovers.

by GHOST OF DT on Nov 20, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

I understand the frustration, but I think his report card must wait until the last game this season and I also don’t see the W/L record as the only measure of success. Give him credit, that he did take on a seriously major overhaul knowing that the road would be tough. He is also, sticking to the plan he started with (which he must do) and is still flexible in some areas to change the style of play to fit the personnel. I believe we have to give the rebuild and plan a chance, and switching Herm out at this point is counterproductive. I’m not a Herm lover, but I believe in giving him a chance to prove himself. I don’t really care what everyone says, to me, this is the first year of the rebuild and “the plan”. You can’t expect much more than what you’ve seen, and I am actually seeing the growth and experience of so many young players as a positive sign.

The addition and release of players is on the GM and the player more than the coach, as far as I understand. You can’t lay that on Herm. I also think that the loss of Mitchell, Richardson, Jr, was more due to player contract and other personnel issues more than the abilities of the player. The current player / personnel staff has done a pretty good job bringing in players from the draft to the filling of holes from injury, considering who has been available.

I’d almost guarantee that this off season will bring some good FAs, and if the draft is anything close to the last one (quality wise), then we will be sitting very pretty for ’09. Please be patient and let this team grow.

We are just too young and too inexperienced and not in the position to be a .500 team this year and we all knew it. We are becoming more competitive each game and more ready to be a winning team next year and beyond. That was the whole purpose. It sounds like most are just not able to follow through with the plan we knew was necessary.

by TXChiefan on Nov 20, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Come on Chiefs...

don’t be stingy and sign Julius Peppers and Jordan Gross.

by Dono on Nov 20, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

DITTO!

by TXChiefan on Nov 20, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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im not measuring it by wins as long as i see progress(this year) that turns into wins next year im happy. And yes he did stick with the plan kudos to herm for being a man and actually doing what he said he was going to do…..And hes not flexible he didnt change anything until he got caught swimming up stream with no arms. Chan Gailey made the Good offensive switches, if were up to herm we would prob. still be running 3 straight runs plays for 2 yards and punt b/c our D is so good well stop anybody ….

I didnt blame the bad signings and contracts on Herm either It was just a point I wanted to bring up, how crazy is it that all those players left KC and had good careers. As much as I love KC it kinda shocked me the way a few players come out and said somethings when the Tony G. trade talk was happening and even what Tony G had to say.

Bottom line GO CHIEFS hopefully we make some good offseason moves and we grow more from there

by DT58forever on Nov 20, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I thought Herm

Got all the credit, and he was the one making the decisions on what personnel we need? The PARADE nailed it earlier when he said the Chiefs were coached by a defensive back who had never thrown a block in his life.

by Eric Allen on Nov 21, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Therefore he

Should take the blame for the bad signings too.

by Eric Allen on Nov 21, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

UH...

You don’t put guys like Barry Richardson in because, as Herm stated, he’s so raw. If you put him in too early he may revert to his old techniques and ruin almost a year of training.

It’s not always Herm’s fault. I do believe that Tony Richardson left because of his treatment by Carl Peterson. That seems to be a recurring theme within the Chiefs Organization…cough John Tait cough.

by Dono on Nov 20, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yea i know

Barrys thing, i guess i just wanted him to see some action.
your right about Carl\
and im not blaming everything on herm, it was more about his poor game decision making skills its almost like hes not watching the game sometimes.

by DT58forever on Nov 20, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

That is incredibly frustrating and I think his most glaring weakness. I do see Carl as the one who has been the biggest problem to team building and players either leaving, or not wanting to come to KC.

by TXChiefan on Nov 20, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey I got a question

Does everybody remember seing all the pictures of Herm sitting next to Matt Ryan chatting at his pro day work out, and everybody had a gut feeling we might take him come pick 5. How would everybody feel now if we had taken him? Just curious, sure would have made things different.

by Shawn on Nov 20, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

And this.

by Joel Thorman on Nov 20, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm so glad I didn't post in that thread, because I would totally have my foot fully down my throat.

by DThomasReigns on Nov 20, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by DThomasReigns on Nov 20, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why Are People Pining Over Not Taking Ryan?

He was selected two spots ahead of us…we never had a shot at him. And I actually like Glenn Dorsey…I think we got a good deal with him. Not to mention that if Ryan had come here he’d probably be flirting with IR right now behind our line. And it’s not like Thigpen’s been playing badly with the spread. If Ryan had come here I’ll bet Herm would still be trying to make chicken salad with the chickenshit offense he prefers.

Things worked out fine for us draft-wise, and our problems aren’t about the players we got this year. It’s about the moronic coach who doesn’t have a clue how to win with them.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 21, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not at all upset that we didn't, and we coulnd't have anyways you're absolutely right

I just wanted to know how you all think that would have affected this year and our team as a whole with the whole QB craze we have gone throught his year.

by Shawn on Nov 21, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Think It Would Have Worked Out Worse For Us

Thigpen never would have gotten a shot unless Ryan got knocked out for the year (which would have been disastrous for the team, and was very likely with the line). It’s very possible the spread offense would never have been implemented and Herm would have tried to pound square peg Matt Ryan into the round hole that is Werm Ball, and I think the season would have been even more dismal than it already is.

If there’s any other player I’d rather have had than Dorsey, it would have been Jake Long (only as long as the Chiefs also grabbed Albert). That would have given us bookend tackles that the offense could build around for many years. Our defense would be worse than it already is, but at least it would give our QBs a chance to develop with solid pass protection and I think that’s actually more important…our team won’t win next year with a horrible defense. Our team won’t win for many years if we have to keep going back to the drawing board on developing QBs because our line can’t keep them healthy.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not pining at all really

I am on the Bones Bandwagon. I was just commenting that I was glad I didn’t post anything about Matt Ryan being a bad QB in the thread primetime linked.

I just posted the pic because I thought it was funny.

Go Bones!

by DThomasReigns on Nov 21, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll Fess Up

I didn’t think that much of Matt Ryan as a QB. But he’s done very well for himself this year. Let’s just hope he doesn’t turn out to be another one-year wonder like Rick Mirer.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 21, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Glad we didn't

I’m much more happy with Dorsey. He will get better and better, and will be a significant contributor to our top 10 defense in a couple of years.

by TXChiefan on Nov 20, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

now why didn't we trade up to pick up brady quinn with all our picks out there floating around?

i rather have quinn then ryan straight up, quinn shows he can take a hit with the lack of a line notre dame had

Since when did chiefs fans turn into Yankees fans?

by LeaveLJalone419 on Nov 21, 2008 7:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Quinn

Hasn’t shown he’s any good as an NFL QB yet, so I’m not particularly worried about why we didn’t grab him. I’ve watched both of Quinn’s starts and Thigpen has looked better than Quinn. Particularly on the deep passes.

The Quinn hype appears to be about 90% man-crush, 5% overrated pedigree (“Oooooh…he’s from Notre Dame, who cares if they haven’t turned out a decent NFL QB since Steve Beuerlein”), and 5% from fans overrating his initial performance (“Wow he completed 70% of his passes throwing almost exclusively to his running backs and tight ends”). Quinn hasn’t given us any reason to regret not trading up for him.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 22, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Last time I checked Quinn is banged up already.

Indecision is the key to flexibility

by cmpotter on Nov 22, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But still gonna play

With a broken index finger.

by Eric Allen on Nov 22, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

But I’m dumping him from my fantasy team this week. I wisely started him his first game, then kicked him to the bench the week after when I realized he wouldn’t/couldn’t throw the deep ball. Defensive coordinators tend to pick up on that very early (see: Croyle, Brodie)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 25, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs