Morning Update (Quiet Arrowhead Edition)

by Chris Thorman on Nov 18, 2008 8:04 AM CST in Article Updates Comment 24 comments

Maybe it's just the video quality but Arrowhead sounds pathetic in this clip from last weekend.

The Kansas City Chiefs take on the Buffalo Bills this week. Make sure you check out Buffalo Rumblings for more information. They have a very active community over there so our FanPost exchange should be great.

Bills lose to the Browns last night: "The Bills, once 5-1 on the season, now find themselves 5-5, losers of their last four games, and dead least in the AFC East - a division they led just a month ago."

Chiefs fans laugh at your measly ~~five~~ four game losing streak.

If I were Damon Huard and a reporter asked me about how much the Chiefs have been losing, I would point to my Super Bowl rings and walk off without saying anything.

Injury updates: Likely to play- Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers and Pat Surtain. Not sure yet- Turk McBride, Donnie Edwards, Dustin Colquitt, Adrian Jones and Pat Thomas.

For some of you, this link will keep you sane at work for at least a few months. H/T Chiefs Planet .

8 minute clip on Christian Okoye's career. Obligatory Pirate Master mention.

Yes, that was a curious ending to the Steelers/Chargers game last weekend.

Say what you will about Brady Quinn's ability but he does have one more win than Brodie Croyle or Tyler Thigpen.

Excellent post from Upon Further Review about the Chiefs losing streak and it's place in history. Don't click the link if you want hope for the future of the franchise. It's there if you want to look for it.

In the midst of all of this losing, this statement is a ray of hope- "It would be safe to say that Thigpen is past being a spot start or matchup play in fantasy. With the weapons that Thigpen has in wide receivers Dwayne Bowe, the emergence of Mark Bradley, all-pro tight end Tony Gonzalez, and running back Larry Johnson, Thigpen is nearing must-start status."

I know it's fantasy football respect but we gotta take it where we can get it.

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Regarding Your Link On The Other 1-18 Teams

Their first commenter had the best observation on it…one that several Herm and Carl critics have pointed out repeatedly only to be shouted down as “haters”.

Every single team you list that started winning again, other than the expansion Buccaneers, had a coaching change between the start of the losing stretch and the winning season. Five coaches took over losing teams in mid-stretch and later won (Dallas ‘88-’89 with Jimmy Johnson; Bengals ‘02-’03 with Marvin Lewis; Patriots ‘92-’93 with Bill Parcells; Bills ‘84-’86 with Marv Levy taking over midway through ‘86; and San Francisco ’78-’79 with Bill Walsh). Every other team you list ditched its coach after the big losing stretch before it got any “good news.”

Every team on the list that had success realized that in order to make their team a winner they had to get rid of the guys who built it into a loser first. And Carl’s been here for the entire decline and Herm’s been around here long enough to have had an effect on this squad and shoulder plenty of the blame for their losing ways.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 8:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

There's a lot of evidence

for that. I’m coming a touch UC.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Nov 18, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*coming around

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Nov 18, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, that's what she said.

"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds

by webby37 on Nov 18, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

UC

would you be happy if Peterson left after this season and we kept Herm? (“happy” is probably the wrong word)

I guess my question is, do you think Peterson or Herm is the bigger problem?

by PVChiefsfan on Nov 18, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Peterson

Because he’s had enough of fans money for the last 19 years. Then get another GM in and he can decide whether to keep Herm or do a real “rebuild”.
I don’t care much for either, but Peterson has petered out his welcome.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 18, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Think They're Both The Problem

The only way I see it changing is if we clean house (like the Cowboys did when they fired Tom Landry and Tex Schramm to bring in Jimmy Johnson). If you’re asking which I think is the worse of two evils, I’d say it’s Peterson. The problems with this franchise stem primarily from his ineptitude (because he’s the one who was responsible for hiring everyone and bringing in all of these players, after all). So a new GM who holds people accountable for results should be the biggest priority (we haven’t had that with Peterson for over a decade). But that’s not to say that Herm will suddenly improve with a new GM…frankly I think he’s just a rotten football coach and he’d be a rotten football coach no matter who the GM is. But if we hire a new GM and don’t get rid of Herm right away I’d be okay with that…for a little while.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate to say this

…but the majority of the fans at Arrowhead aren’t/weren’t “regulars”. By that I mean Season ticket holders or those that have been to the game numerous times. I would venture to guess the majority really haven’t been to many (if any) games.

A LOT of season tickets are being sold for next to nothing and I know a few people that have literally given them away as “thank you’s”. They have a raffel at work for Big Bro’s/Sisters that give away Chiefs tickets and the winner decided to golf this weekend instead and no one took his tickets.

But, OTOH Clark can’t hear the poor cheering in the muffled luxury suite.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 18, 2008 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not in our section...

We’re still surrounded by all the regulars. Its just hard to get over the top roudy for a shitty team. I’ve taken the approach that I’m just scouting this team each week, I don’t expect them to win but I hope see progress in certain players.

by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 18, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate to admit it...

…but my season-ticket holding family lives 2-3 hours away from the stadium (I’m in Lincoln, NE, and they’re in Junction City, KS), and frankly, it’s not worth it to drive 2.5 hours, spend $432 a gallon on gas, watch a pathetic performance, go out to eat, and then drive another 2.5 hours on a Sunday, especially with finals coming up and all. I agree with ya, here. It’s like we’re scouting this team, and if that’s the case, why not do it in my boxers, on my couch, with a hot bowl of not-expensive chilli in my hand? Also, I can Fast Forward through commercials and occasionally switch over to watch the Cowboys self-destruct. It’s a great Sunday for me.

Things aren’t going well, but guys, we’re getting better, and I’m excited to see ’em again.

-cw

"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds

by webby37 on Nov 18, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Chiefs fans laugh at your measly five game losing streak."

"The Bills, once 5-1 on the season, now find themselves 5-5, losers of their last four games

by PVChiefsfan on Nov 18, 2008 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

We're still better then them at losing...phah..4 games...

How about the last 16 games? Bet we have a better losing record. Tell the Bills to go shove it and not think they’re better then us at losing…those *uh LOSERSS *uh

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 18, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I guess I found it tough to subtract 1 from 5.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Nov 18, 2008 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thigpen

By the way, I was heartbroken that I missed out on him as my waiver claim last week. The guy I was playing this week was just ahead of me in waiver priority and snagged him. My fault for bringing another Chiefs fan who pays attention to the team into that league. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 8:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

And

I had to make due with Brady Quinn this week and I’ve got to say that Quinn looks nowhere near as good as a pro QB as Thigpen does. He looks better than Croyle (only because of the durability) but he also doesn’t seem to be able to throw deep very well, nor does he have a lot of touch on his passes. He looked absolutely terrible, even after a long week to prepare. I think he may very well end up being a bust.

So what should that tell us about Carl Peterson’s ability to judge QB talent when he liked Quinn enough to draft him and trade for him even though he had a better prospect already on his roster. Just something to think about heading into our 2009 draft, where we’ll likely be selecting another QB.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree about Quinn

I think after 2 games he’s doing pretty well. I liked that he looked comfortable on the field albeit his line was horrendous and barely gave him any time in the pocket whatsoever. It was snap, drop and pass in a matter of 2 seconds.
I wouldn’t call him a bust at all. Matter of fact I think that his passes were right on for the most part. However I would say give him at least until the end of the year and wouldn’t call him a bust until then. He also hasn’t had an INT although he did come close last night. I was impressed that at the end of the game the Browns didn’t fall apart ESPECIALLY since they didn’t have home field advantage.

I don’t like the Bills…never have.

But…..Kawika looked really good. I wonder if we could get a pass rushing caliber player like him on the Chiefs….oops,nevermind ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 18, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He Might Turn It Around

But that’s two games now where he had trouble throwing anything deep. His best receiver in his first start was Kellen Winslow and he barely targeted Braylon Edwards at all…despite playing against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. He looks like a guy who has trouble with his downfield accuracy.

I’ve just got this growing suspicion that we’ll soon be hearing the same kind of excuses for Brady Quinn that people trotted out for Brodie Croyle (can’t throw deep because of his line, he just isn’t being allowed to throw deep, he can’t develop rhythm with his receivers because of factors that are entirely beyond his control). But we’ll see.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Yes

Kawika did an excellent job last night. He had a good game. Too bad his team’s QB completely screwed things up for them. Now Trent Edwards…that’s a guy who definitely needs to see the bench for awhile if the Bills want to break their losing streak.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kawika

No no… see we draft LBs right before we change our defensive system. That way they no longer “fit” the defense we run so we let them go. Look at Edwards, Fujita, and yes Kawika; you can’t really expect the team to keep players especially young LBs that we drafted if they no longer fit the defense. =)

I think the problem with our D is that we are trying to smash square pegs into round holes. Herm needs to give Gun the freedom to change the D to fit the personel we have and dump the system we are running.

by tevans96 on Nov 18, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The problem is

that Herm is Defensive minded coach and I don’t think he’d relinquish that to Gun.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

by THE_TRUTH on Nov 18, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That is why I don't blame Gun

I feel Herm dictates what kind of D to run and Gun is trying but doesn’t really have the personel to run it. One of the keys to the type of D Herm likes is pass rush, and we just don’t have it so we should try something else.

by tevans96 on Nov 18, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's the first Chiefs (including Tony, Priest, or LJ) I've ever acquired and started in a fantasy league. Ever.

If the Chiefs lose and we play poorly, it’s a double whammy. Think of it as a way to hedge my bets and still have a reason to watch football on Sunday. Or at least a rooting interest.

-cw

"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds

by webby37 on Nov 18, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Grabbed Mark Bradley

And I drafted Dwayne Bowe, although I stupidly traded him away when I could have used the depth on my bench (D-Bowe’s been a solid fantasy performer, but he’s not doing better than Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Nov 18, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs