Reflecting on Tyler Thigpen Week
I was thinking yesterday that Tyler Thigpen is great as a Kansas City Chiefs quarterback because he's already spent time on the IR during his career in KC. Seems appropriate, doesn't it?
After a season and half of neglected media coverage by pretty much every national media outlet in the business, the Chiefs are popular again.
Well, one guy is.
Tyler Beckham Thigpen was literally the most talked about NFL football player this past week. After three solid games in a row, the desire for Thigpen coverage hit critical mass on Monday.
The ESPN fantasy football gurus are obsessed with him.
Bucky Brooks at SI.com says Thigpen is the Chiefs' franchise QB.
And you have to believe that Tyler Thigpen is a big reason why Jason Whitlock is actually supporting the team now.
It all seems ridiculous, doesn't it? Was it a slow NFL news week or something?
Question: What if Thigpen throws three interceptions? What if we get the Week 3 player instead of the Week 10 player?
I suspect that Thigpen's popularity is a lot more unstable than most fans would like to think. While I'm a fan of #4, three games is an extremely small sample to judge, well, anything really. Tomorrow is a big, big test for Tyler Thigpen. He should be able to capitalize on an injured Saints secondary. If he doesn't, then the Chiefs take another step closer to the drawing board to figure out how to fix this offense. What sucks for Thigpen is that he is under the national microscope now. He has to keep playing consistently or he's going to get destroyed by the media.
Each and every week is getting more and more fun to anticipate what's going to happen with the Chiefs. Let's keep moderate expectations so we don't crash when the Chiefs remind us why they're 1-8.
Don't forget about the open thread tomorrow. I'll post it around 11 AM.
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We'll Have A Good Idea About Thigpen
By the midway point of next season. By that point other teams will know enough about him to be able to gameplan against him, he’ll have been able to adjust to their adjustments and we’ll pretty much be seeing what his actual talent level is.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That’s one of the points I wanted talk about too. Just when is Thigpen our Franchise QB?
by Chris Thorman on Nov 15, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Projection
He’s our 2009 starter if he’s able to continue at least an acceptable level of play for the remainder of the year (more TDs than INTs, completion percentage in the mid-50s at least for most games, decent downfield accuracy like he’s shown) but we’ll still draft another QB to develop. He’s our franchise QB if he can perform like he has the last three weeks through at least the halfway point of next season.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Let’s hope he keeps it up. He’s starting on my fantasy team this week
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by KCking on Nov 15, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Playing Against Him This Week
My opponent beat me to him on the waiver wire by one spot, and he’s starting Thigpen over Tony Romo. :)
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I drafted Carson Palmer
and with all of his injuries I’ve had to play Pennington and Cassel, Hopefully, Thigpen can be consistent enough down the stretch
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by KCking on Nov 15, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Drafted Palmer Too
In the fourth round. Then I got Kyle Orton and Matt Schaub to replace him in week 6 or so. Now I’m down to Brady Quinn (at least until Orton gets back to full speed). QB has been a major trouble spot for me all season. :)
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I drafted Tom Brady with my #1 pick
Now I have Donavan Mcnabb and Kurt Warner. Lucky I guess.
by Shawn on Nov 15, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too Bad
You didn’t go with Cassel this week, though…although I think that was a pretty common choice in the fantasy football world, so you definitely weren’t alone. :)
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but does that mean we still draft a QB?
Probably, and we should. But we don’t super-early, do we?
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Nov 15, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should no later than 2nd round
Of course it depends on who ends up declaring. There are really no good Seniors coming out this year. Stafford, Bradford and Sanchez are all underclassmen that are eligable to come out if they want, but may decide not to.
If Bradford or Stafford are there at our first round pick and there aren’t really good prospects after that I think we have to go ahead and take the QB in the 1st round.
Thigpen could turn out to be the real deal and in that case we would have a franchise QB on the bench that desperate teams (like the Chiefs were) would be calling offering crazy trades for that would give us more picks in the future.
But if Thigpen turns out to be anoher flash in the pan like Derrick Anderson with the Browns, we will be glad we invested the picks in a guy that can be ready to take over if Thigpen is flopping.
Plus think of the advantages of drafting a high round QB while you have a starter that is playing well rather than having nobody at the position and needing the guy you draft to start for you as soon as possible. Instead of having to cave in to whatever ridiculous contract that QBs agent demands (like the Falcons and Matt Ryan) just so we can get him to camp on time to be ready to play.
Having a decent guy like Thigpen that hopefully by the end of the year we will know is going to be the starter next season gives the GM more time to negotiate since if the QB misses most or all of training camp, who really cares since he’s going to be sitting on the bench anyway. Plus it will give the drafted QB time to sit on the bench and learn which will help them if/when it is time for them to start.
You can never have enough good QBs on your roster but we have seen what happens when you don’t have any.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 15, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham Harrell
Senior. And he’s good.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good in his system
Whether that translates to the NFL remains to be seen.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 15, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But we're running his system.
Is it time we started thing about actually adopting the spread and adapting our NFL team to the skill sets of the players/teams/conferences that have been dominating on a collegiate level. Really, the Big-12 is now the best conference in NCAA, and its in large part because its all spread-heavy offenses. Last years Patriots, easily the most prolific offensive machine of all time, were to a very large extent a spread team. Maybe it is time that we consider maintaining a spread mentality, go into next season with Thiggy as starter, and a spread QB that we draft at value (whether Tebow, Harrell, McCoy, Daniels, or Bradford). I believe the time for this system of offense at the NFL level is upon us.
by Sudden on Nov 16, 2008 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spread QBs
Somebody else pointed out that one of the big problems with spread QBs was that many of them had trouble in the NFL adjusting to taking a snap from under center. For Harrell, I think he does take snaps from under center…not sure because I don’t see a lot of Tech games, but if anyone else does please let me know if I’m right or wrong on this.
As for the QBs Sudden listed, I like everyone on the list but Tebow. Can’t really explain why I don’t like Tebow either, but I’ve watched him a few times and I just can’t see him as a good NFL QB because he doesn’t look like a natural passer. Maybe it’s the lefty thing throwing me off a bit, but I just get this feeling about him (although statistically he seems like a pretty solid QB prospect, so my position on this is just an intuition thing…which I thought I should say).
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by UCrawford on Nov 16, 2008 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is Most Important?
I understand QB is a critical position, but I think we are forgetting about the horrific pounding our other QBs took in the first 6 games. I would rather we address and solidify our O-Line and D with the early rounds and rely on them to enable the QBs we have to continue to develop. I’d rather have the number 1 O-Line and allow our QBs to be their best, than have the #1 QB on IR, or constantly on his back.
My order is 1st Rd – MLB or DE, which ever highest value is available
2nd Rd – ROT
3rd Rd – MLB or DE, which ever is highest value
4th Rd – Highest value of WR, OG, LB, CB
5th – 7th Rd – Hightest value of above plut QB
by TXChiefan on Nov 15, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Elite offensive linemen can be had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
We should address our need for a BPA available whether it be at DE or LB (either MLB or OLB) in the first round.
After what we went through this year at the QB position, it would be foolish of us not to invest a 2nd rounder at QB (Harrell if available). IF Harrell is gone by the time we select in the 2nd round we either take O-line, DE, or LB whichever position we didn’t take with our #1. I think if Harrell is not around JP Wilson out of Alabama might be there for us in round 4. Been watching this guy play for the last 7 weeks, and he’s looking like a player.
Hey wanted wish you and the guys/gals over there to take care, and God Bless. Happy Veterans day.
by aPacificChief on Nov 16, 2008 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If We're Getting A QB With A 2nd Rounder
I think we definitely need to at least consider an offensive tackle with our first pick. Elite guards might be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds…tackles not so much. And right tackle, despite the improved play of McIntosh, is still a problem area for us next year. Drafting a QB means you need to protect your investment and right now the Chiefs can’t (because it’s not like Thigpen’s not still getting hit back there).
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by UCrawford on Nov 16, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After just a 6 sack total after 10 games, I think DE or LB is more important in round 1.
Especially since we should be picking in the top 5 in next years draft.
Overall in regards to the rest of our other selections from round 2 and on. We should remain fluid. If Harrell is available we take him, and address the third round to an O-lineman. We used New England before as an example, that quality O-line can be had in rounds 3 and 4. Kaczur was a 3rd round selection for them, and Matt Light is a 2nd rounder. In Tennessee, Micheal Roos is a 2nd choice with David Stewart a 4th round selection.
The key is not to press on draft day. If Harrell is gone by the second round we address the RT position with the second rounder, and take JP Wilson with our 3rd or 4th round choice.
by aPacificChief on Nov 17, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Parker Wilson is a Senior and he's got his program ranked #1.
Don’t need to invest a 1st rounder on a QB, but at least one in the 2nd round.
by aPacificChief on Nov 15, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since hes the most consistant at staying healthy...
enough said?
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Nov 15, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As For Whitlock
A good QB changes a lot of perceptions because it makes the offense look a whole lot less hopeless. On the other hand, I think Whitlock has foolishly ignored the fact that Thigpen was still Herm’s third choice for playing QB this year behind two guys who weren’t that good (so it was more luck than skill at judging QB talent), and there are still major problems throughout the rest of the team. Basically, I think Whitlock is missing the forest for the trees. The defense is still one of the worst in the NFL (and there’s no excuse for that considering we’ve been rebuilding it for three years now), the players’ conditioning should be considered a major question mark, and the game management still sucks (all major factors in why we’ve only won one game). These are all things that fall under Herm’s areas of responsibility so I’m not even close to saying he’s pushing them in the right direction.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Give some credit where its due
Some of us were saying Casey Printers was better than Thigpen and that there was “no real potential there”. I seem to recall some saying that Thigpen was one of the worst QB prospects in the NFL as well. However, Herm and others evidently saw potential there as well or they wouldn’t have plucked him from the Vikings roster.
Now did they expect him to perform as well as he has these past three games? Probably not. But its kind of disingenuous to say that they just “lucked” into the guy when they saw enough of him to take him from another team when he was available and keep him on the roster to develop and that they decided to start over Huard against Atlanta (which turned out badly and made them think he needed more development time).
I still think Thigpen is playing above his natural level (though I hope I’m wrong) but let’s not be looking for excuses to take credit away from Herm and the coaches who obviously saw something in the guy that we fans could not.
Though I hate Whitlock, I have always been surprised that he did not extend his vendetta against Carl to Herm just because Carl hired him. Whitlock has always taken a wait and see approach to Herm taken into consideration the obviously horrible state of the team.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 15, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Credit
However, Herm and others evidently saw potential there as well or they wouldn’t have plucked him from the Vikings roster.
Right…that’s why they named Croyle the starter without any competition for the job. Because they loved Thigpen’s potential as a QB so much. And why they went back to Huard after the Atlanta game instead of keeping him in place as starter. And why they went back to Croyle again when they were unhappy with Thigpen. And why the signed Quinn Gray to start when Huard and Croyle went down. And why nobody in the locker room (or his parents) believed he could perform at that level until he did.
Thigpen came completely out of the blue…he was a waiver pickup and the coaching staff’s actions in no way indicated that they held him in higher esteem than that. They didn’t plan on him being a starter…they lucked into him being able to play. So I don’t give Herm much credit for being a good scout on that front, I credit him with being extremely fortunate.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'll Revise That
I credit Chan Gailey with putting in a spread offense that utilized the skills of Thigpen. Herm, on the other hand, brought in Thigpen last year to learn an offense that he had no hope of succeeding in (not that anyone really succeeds at Herm Ball).
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Theres a reason the guy was drafted in the 7th round
He has work to do to make it in a conventional NFL offense. Right now they are getting by in the spread, but thats not going to last. Its a matter of time before the defenses get enough film to shut it down. When that happens, will Thigpen have developed enough to still be a good starter?
They thought Thigpen had talent and potential, thats why they went and got him and why they kept him on the roster to develop while most people thought he should have been cut away because of a couple of bad performances.
So Thigpen DIDN’T come completely out of the blue. If the coaches thought the same of him as you did he wouldn’t even have been on the team. No doubt he has surprised them by how quickly he’s taken command of the team and how well he is playing, but you’re being intellectually dishonest to say it was blind luck.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 15, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As For Whitlock
Though I hate Whitlock, I have always been surprised that he did not extend his vendetta against Carl to Herm just because Carl hired him
That’s because you write off anyone who has legitimate criticisms of this team as a “Carl Hater”. If you actually bothered to consider his arguments seriously, then you’d probably find that he often brings up valid points. If you did consider the argument more than the source, perhaps you’d find that the people who accuse you of being Herm writing under a pseudonym would be less likely to dismiss your own arguments out of hand.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No I do not
I write off people that have blind hatred for Carl and anyone connected to him (you have said many times that no matter what coach was hired by Carl or what QB Carl drafted that it was doomed to failure just because Carl picked them) just because of their vendetta.
I don’t seriously consider the arguments of people that base all their opinions on hatred for other people and view it through that prism. My experience in life has proven to me that whether its based on race, religion or simple opinions on sports that if you base your opinions on hatred it makes you blind and unreasonable and usually unable to accept the good that is happening right in front of your face.
When you pick every opportunity to nitpick and hate on people or organizations, it may make people listen to you when things are going bad, but when things start going well and you’re still trying to convince people that your hatred is right, you’re the one no one is going to take seriously. Then you’ll just be a hater. Plain and simple.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 15, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
I write off people that have blind hatred for Carl and anyone connected to him (you have said many times that no matter what coach was hired by Carl or what QB Carl drafted that it was doomed to failure just because Carl picked them) just because of their vendetta.
Of course, since you write off almost all criticism of Herm and Carl as “blind hatred” instead of addressing the argument, your position is really a Catch-22. You claim you’ll respect arguments that may establish fault with Herm and Carl so long as they’re not based on “blind hatred”, but since you dismiss almost all arguments as “blind hatred” from the start then you can automatically claim that nobody’s argument is valid, regardless of whether or not the person actually hates the people in charge. I feel comfortable pointing out the hypocrisy in your position since I’ve repeatedly taken pains to emphasize that I don’t hate Carl and Herm and that I just think they’re bad at their jobs only to have you conveniently forget those comments whenever you feel like scoring a few points with the peanut gallery so you can shout down my (and anyone else’s) position without bothering to consider them.
Why do you do this? No clue. Maybe you’re someone so emotionally invested in this team that it’s basically equivalent to a religion with you and you’re not one to brook religious dissent. Maybe you’ve got a bad short term memory and you actually forget the positions people take so you create unintentional straw men based on a faulty impression of what you think they believe. Maybe you’re just a shitty debater and you like to rip on people whenever they outclass you in a debate.
I don’t seriously consider the arguments of people that base all their opinions on hatred for other people and view it through that prism.
Right…I’m sure that’s why you obsessively answer my posts to scream “Carl Hater”. Because my opinion means so little to you. It’s been my experience that the only people who engage in that sort of behavior are those who feel personally threatened by the opinions they attack and that when they try to dismiss arguments by saying “I don’t care what you think” they’re usually lying.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not luck but more an eye for potential. The question is but who's eye saw the potential?
Croyle was suppose to be the guy, but couldn’t stay healthy. Huard was our safety valve, because he was a veteran who presented us the best opportunity (short term) to win. Thigpen was suppose to be the “project.” That maybe within the next 2 years Tyler would be better prepared to openly compete for the starting job if this world went according to plan.
But I think the success of Thigpen is more credit to Chan Gailey than to Herm. Where was it in the beginning of the season that Gailey favored Thigpen over Croyle? and there was talk that Thigpen fit Gailey’s system better.
by aPacificChief on Nov 15, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still think Thigpens success under the spread offense is going to be short lived
They need to be trying to ease him into the more conventional NFL offense. The reason Thigpen is succesful right now is they are essentially using a version of the same offense he played in college, but there is a reason we haven’t seen teams in the NFL embrace the spread like they have in college.
Its a matter of time before NFL defenses catch up to what we’re doing and when that happens, the question will be whether they have brought Thigpen along far enough to survive in a typical NFL offense.
I don’t think anybody is saying that Herm is some genius that saw Thigpen as a guy that could come in and be a succesful starter in his second year. They basically have caved in because they have no other options and changed from a pro system to a college system to get by. Its just a matter of time before that catches up with them.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 15, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Changed to a college system
To save some jobs at one Arrowhead drive!
by Eric Allen on Nov 15, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As Long As It's Scoring Points And Not Creating Turnovers
I don’t care if it’s a college system or not. So long as the spread offense is working, I’m happy the Chiefs are using it.
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by UCrawford on Nov 15, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree UC
This goes against everthing Herm believes in. Other defenses will not shut it down, Herm will.
by Eric Allen on Nov 15, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
It’s a hell of a lot more fun watching the spread than watching Herm Ball. There were only so many more runs up Niswanger’s butt I could handle watching. :)
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by UCrawford on Nov 16, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gunthers blitz scheme will revolutionize football!:)
by Eric Allen on Nov 16, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Clip Is Still Just As Funny
Even after about 20 viewings. :)
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by UCrawford on Nov 16, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a true spread anyway
With two of the players flanked out in our offensive system being TEs and not WRs we are using a unique form of the spread. This in conjunction with the hurry up offense makes the other teams have to stay in a base defense and thus allow Thigpen easier reads and opens up more passes because you more often have a safty or linebacker in coverage causing mismatches that we can exploit.
Keeping the TEs in the game we can always shift one back to the line for a power running play or have one lineup on the line and then split out wide. I think our version will continue to cause fits for teams for a long time, I don’t look for this to go bad any time soon.
by tevans96 on Nov 15, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on!
Some of you people crack me up! by ChiefDj “Right now they are getting by in the spread, but thats not going to last. Its a matter of time before the defenses get enough film to shut it down”.
Like the power run or the west coast offense is sooo tricky defensive’s just cant adapt to it! Well then maybe we should just run the I-formation the rest of the season so people like you will shut up. Your completely taking away the pin point performance of Thigpen. We last changed our offensive to complement LJ, and what?! defensive’s were not able to adapt to it? Come on! You deserve a HOT CARL! Stinky!
by NewtofKC on Nov 16, 2008 6:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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