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Real Solutions To The Kansas City Quarterback Problem

Tiny by primetime 07 on in Campaign 2008

So, here's the deal. The feelings regarding our quarterback situation are mixed. However, I feel that a majority of folks are looking to make a change and then some of that group wants to make a change NOW.

I'm on record as saying there's nothing we can do to better the quarterback situation now.  Trade scenarios, while always an interesting discussion, almost never come to fruition.  There's a reason talented quarterbacks never hit the open market.

Below is a list of quarterbacks who are currently free agents.  Keeping this list in mind, I want to hear real solutions to the quarterback problem. Pretend as if trading is not an option (because realistically it's probably not).  Anyone can say 'Hey it's not working dump 'em all!'  But that's not the way it works. 

Tell us who you want and WHY.  The latter is key.  Would any of these players help us now?  Do we currently have the best options on staff?

Player Name Years Experience 2007 Team
Daunte Culpepper 9 Raiders
Bruce Gradkowski 2 Bucs
Tim Hasselbeck 6 Cardinals
Kelly Holcomb 11 Vikings
Jared Lorenzen 3 Giants
Jamie Martin 13 Saints
Craig Nall 6 Packers
Tim Rattay 8 Cardinals
Lester Ricard 1 Jaguars
Brian St. Pierre 7 Jets
Chris Weinke 8 49ers

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Gradkowski Would Be My Option

He’s not good, but he’s not the worst out there. Culpepper’s the best option but he’s already said he’s not interested in playing for a team unless he was able to start the year with them. Rattay’s currently on a roster I think, otherwise I think he should be our next choice. Hasselbeck’s a scrub, but what the hell…he’s not worse than Thigpen.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 11:56 AM CDT   0 recs

RE: Hasselbeck

Wouldn’t mind seeing (not hearing) his wife around KC…

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Saw Tim Hasselbeck

Working as an analyst for ESPN. Maybe he’d make a comeback if we called, but maybe he’d rather get his next career started than hold the clipboard for a team going nowhere.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My first choice

Would be to keep the guys we have on staff. I don’ t see any of these current crop of FAs helping us immediately.

However, if a choice had to be made I’d go with Gradkowski. He’s been a starter previously and went 3-8 with a 1:1 TD:INT ratio and completed 54% of his passes. His youth combined with his limited experience and limited success make him the most intriguing off the list.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 12:02 PM CDT   0 recs

Missing table column

Number and seriousness of injuries last few seasons.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Oct 6, 2008 12:04 PM CDT   0 recs

I thought Lorenzen

played well in the preseason against the Panthers. He’s still a project but who knows

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Oct 6, 2008 12:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Colt Brennan

please trade for this guy…he will be a special QB…mark my words

AD

by ali_djoo on Oct 6, 2008 12:17 PM CDT   0 recs

Not Going To Be Available

Campbell seems to be establishing himself, but he’s still a bit of an injury risk. They won’t be parting with Brennan cheaply, if at all. And he’s not worth the risk this season…especially considering the state of our line.

Trades are not a serious option this year…partly because few people will be selling, partly because any QB we bring in behind this line will be a horrible gamble.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I said this

before the draft and everyone laughed and cussed me out. I’m from Hawai’i and this kid has heart and the tools to get better.

by Ilamuku on Oct 6, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's who came to my mind while watching the game sunday

isn’t he their third string quarterback right now???? why would they be so unwilling to depart brennan they seem pretty set on campbell (I don’t know why though-he doesn’t impress me very much)

by KCWolfff on Oct 6, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right. Todd Collins is number 2

he wont cost as much as people think.. he as a 6th or 7th rounder

ugh.

by focs on Oct 6, 2008 5:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disagree

There was some talk that Jason Campbell wasn’t picking up the WCO very well. At the same time, Brennan was looking solid in preseason.

I would be shocked if they spent a 6th rounder on him in April then gave him away for a 6th rounder 6 months later when he has looked capable.

Remember, Campbell was a draft pick of the prior regime and sometimes new coaches aren’t as willing to give someone who isn’t their guy a shot. It looks like Campbell is thriving now but I wouldn’t even think about trading Brennan if I were in their position.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

Colt Brennan? The guy is like 5’10". He has that side winder realease and he looked awful against decent competition when he played Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure Brennan is not our answer at QB. To be honest with you guys Croyle has more potential then anyone on that list. If he doesn’t work out, then our franchises future will be dictated be two paths in my opinion. Either we sign a vet in free agency or draft one out of the first round. The only vet worth signing is JP Losman. He looked decent last week and I thought he was coming along fine before he got hurt and lost his job to Edwards. There is only one quarterback that I think could make a great quarterback in college right now and that is Sam Bradford of OK. We need to get this kid to declare or we are screwed. We could even get him at 5 if St. Louis, Detroit, Houston, Oakland pick ahead of us.

by chiefsfan1384 on Oct 7, 2008 12:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Colt Brennan

I didn’t like him AT ALL from what I saw in college, but he is 6’3" 212, and looked really sharp and extremely confident in the 5 games i saw him in. His stats the preseason:
TOTAL comp. 36 att. 53 comp% 67.9 yrds-411 7.8 td-3 int-0 rtg-109.9

I agree he might not be THE answer, but if he could be had cheap, I think he’s worth a look.

by bamakcfan on Oct 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gradkowski

I don’t think he’s better than Croyle but if I have to pick someone off that list……..

by Cat Stabber on Oct 6, 2008 12:29 PM CDT   0 recs

Probably Not

But he’s better than Thigpen and considering Croyle’s fragility we need somebody better than Thigpen to run the offense if/when Croyle and Huard go down again.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't want any of them

Kelly Holcomb is Damon Huard, they were born on the say day for crying out loud. They could have been twins.
Cullpepper is not going to come back to football.
Gradkowski has a 49.0 passer rating this year in the preseason.
Tim Hasselbeck has a 32 passer rating in 07 preseason(last time he played).
Jared Lorenzen is a poor game manager and doesn’t have the mind to be a QB and makes aweful decisions.
Jamie Martin is on SFs active roster
Craig Nall hasn’t touched a Football since 07(does anyone know if he got injured, he was a decent backup, something must have happened).
Tim Rattay also hasn’t touch a football since 07
Lester Ricard hasn’t touched a football period
Brian St. Pierre is on the Cards active roster
Chris Weinke has also not touched a football this year, and he has thrown nearly twice as many ints as tds in his career.

I don’t think we can upgrade the current QB situation with any of the available free agents. I think we’ll have to wait until the end of the season to do anything with our QBs, because as pointed out, trading for one is going to be hard and we’ll likely have to mortgage the farm to do it. I think we should do the following:

1. Wait and get Losman(if Edwards doesn’t get knocked out) at the end of the season.
2. Draft a QB with out 2nd or 3rd round pick.
3. Resign Brodie to a reasonable contract.
4. Dump Huard and Pigpen
5. Draft 1. MLB, 2. QB, 3. DE(Pure speed rusher) , 4. RG(If herbie can play RT well), RT, C
6. Let Losman and Brodie battle it out to start and let our Rookie sit behind in the wings for the next year or two.

Now I know this thread is mainly about FA Qbs, but the main point of it is WHY, and this is my WHY. I just don’t think any of these guys is a head and shoulders upgrade to our offense. I also have to say I agree with ali_djoo; I too was impressed with Colt Brennan, he might be a flash in the pan, but his poise and confidence, even though it was against 2nd and 3rd defenses, was undeniable. When he was on the field there was excitement. I didn’t like him at all before the draft, I didn’t even like him in college, but I was impressed.

by bamakcfan on Oct 6, 2008 1:19 PM CDT   0 recs

Good Points

Thanks for the corrections. I figured NFL.com would be accurate on these.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wasn't Chris Simms just let go?

Is he completely washed up? Do you need a spleen to succeed as an NFL QB?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT   0 recs

It's recommended

He wasn’t very good before the spleen injury so my best guess would be that he’s not very good now.

Tennessee media outlets are reporting that he’s likely to re-sign with the Titans sometime this week.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 1:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Think we could trade for Johnny Beck in Miami?

He was a Cam Cameron guy, and I don’t think they see him as the QB of the future anymore. I liked the way he looked in college at BYU.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 6, 2008 1:55 PM CDT   0 recs

Agree

That would be a solution IMO. He’s obviously being phased out with current stop-gap Chad Pennington and supposed QBOTF Chad Henne.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 2:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beck Would Be As Good A Choice As Any

It’s not like he’s going to be worse than Thigpen either. But it’s not like Miami’s just going to give him away…especially to a team as desperately in need as the Chiefs. And the fact that they didn’t waive him instead of McCown indicates that he may yet have a future in Miami so he may not be available at all.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unlikely A Future In Miami

Parcells is known for having his guys. Beck was a 2nd rounder 2 years ago and is sitting behind Pennington and Henne.

I think he’s available…if the price is right. But what is that price?

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

6th rounder?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 6, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No Clue

If they’ll take a 6th rounder for him, why not? But I doubt that it’ll be that cheap, especially for the Chiefs. Teams don’t cut favors for other teams in trades, especially when the team looking for a player is desperate.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think its the going rate for an unproven young QB like Beck

Ryan Grant was dealt for a 6th rounder. I know he’s a RB, but its a similar situation. QB Brooks Bollinger was dealt for a 7th rounder last year. Most young backup players that are dealt seem to go for 6th/7th rounders.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 6, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Young QBs Get A Higher Premium

Running backs get traded cheaply because running backs aren’t that tough to find. QBs, on the other hand, are.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure

I don’t really think it would take more than a 4th rounder, and you could probably get him for a 6th. Who knows though, we don’t even know if Miami would be willing to deal him. Just throwing out ideas. Not like Carl will do any of this. Its Brodie, Brodie, Brodie all the way.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 6, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I’d say that Beck would be worth a fourth-rounder. But even though he was a Cameron guy, he was still a 2nd round pick a year ago so they may not want to deal him that cheaply.

And again, we’re desperate for a QB and everybody in the league (except apparently Carl and Herm) knows it…that’s always going to drive the price up.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 3:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Like That

When Charles Johnson blew by McIntosh, Crewe would have nailed him right in the nuts…thereby negating the pass-rush from the right :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Derek Anderson

Cleveland seems eager to get Quinn on the field. Anderson has shown flashes of being spectacular, plus he’s huge so durability won’t be an issue and he’s young. I have no idea what it would take to get him and lord knows we don’t have much trade bait but I’d love to see him in Red and Gold.

by rdub on Oct 6, 2008 4:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Answer: 51%

Question: What is Derek Anderson’s completion percentage this year while throwing to Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow.

Derek Anderson’s performance this year makes it appear as if 2007 was a fluke. He’s not worth a draft pick, and Cleveland probably won’t be that interested in dealing him anyway since they’ll need him again if they put in Quinn and Quinn flames out.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

UC's On Jeopardy

Ugh…I didn’t realize it was that low.

They have signed on for two more years and Quinn has proven nothing so I would imagine Anderson stays for another year.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you are looking for a cheap trade

I have suggested it before, Erik Ainge. In the senior bowl he looked like the best QB on the field, you know game manager ball protecter. Buried on the Jets roster I believe. Oh nevermind, I had a smartass comment there, but I will leave it alone.

by Eric Allen on Oct 6, 2008 4:49 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't think

He is on the roster. I think the Jets only have Farve and Clemmons. Brad Smith (former MU QB, now WR) is their emergency QB. So I think he might be on the practice squad.

by chiefsfan1384 on Oct 7, 2008 12:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If he on the

Practice squad, no trade needed correct? Grab him what can it hurt.

by Eric Allen on Oct 7, 2008 4:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy

Trade for Brady Quinn.

by JackDublin on Oct 6, 2008 4:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Joking?

You realize that the Chiefs already tried that and he’s not available, right?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm

Erik Ainge, Matt Flynn, Brian Brohm, Troy Smith, Colt Brennan (Honestly how much could he be, he was a 6th round or 7th round pick), David Carr, Jeff Garcia, Dare I Say Rex Grossman, Drew Stanton, Sage Rosenfels, John Beck, Chad Henne, John David Booty, Kellen Clemens, AJ Feeley, Charlie Fry, Seneca Wallace, Chris Simms

99% of these have to be acquired through trades but most shouldnt cost much at all

ugh.

by focs on Oct 6, 2008 5:08 PM CDT   0 recs

no. you can’t say rex grossman

by KCWolfff on Oct 6, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Honestly though

he did lead his team to like a 13-3 or 14-2 record a couple years ago.. (albeit on the defenses shoulders) but he played exceptional for the first half of that season.. and hey. is he better than thigpen – yes.. huard – yes.. croyle – most likely.

ugh.

by focs on Oct 6, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

More Accurately

The 2006 Bears went to the Super Bowl despite having Grossman at QB.

He reeks. He’s much worse than Huard and about comparable to Croyle last year (and he’s been in the league for five years already).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I watched everyone of those games in Chicago and it is truley amazing they won as many as they did.

Grossman tried to give away a lot of those games, but the Bear’s defense wouldn’t let him. I really thought Orton had done much better the year before. Not stats, or spectacular plays, but by letting the players around him win the games.

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 7, 2008 8:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I puke in my mouth

Everytime I hear Rex Grossman’s name mentioned in the same sentence as Kansas City. I lived 45 minutes away from Packer stadium my whole life (up to 2 years ago). I’ve seen him play against GB 4 times. He is in my opion a downgrade from Pigpen. He is not confident, and most importantly does not have the confidence of his team. The defense winces every time he steps on the field. His worst game against GB was the year of CHI’s superbowl run, last week of the season. He was 2 for 12, for 33 yards and 3 picks, in week 17. If memory serves he was pulled from the game and there were serious doubts if he would start in their post-season games. We don’t need that kind of guy on our team. PERIOD! ( I hate using caps, but I feel in this case it is necessary)

by bamakcfan on Oct 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Going Down The List

Ainge – QB of the future behind Favre (because Clemens is horrible)
Flynn – primary backup to Rodgers and would cost too much
Brohm – potential QB of the future for Green Bay and would cost too much
Smith – questionable NFL ability and primary backup to Flacco
Brennan – potential QB of the future and possible starter if Campbell gets injured again
Carr – short term solution, primary backup to Eli, not worth what it would take in trade
Garcia – ancient, injury-prone, possibly injured, horrible 2008 performance, now Tampa’s starter
Grossman – NOT JUST NO, BUT HELL NO!!!
Stanton – possible starter in Detroit next week
Rosenfels – primary backup to Schaub, too much in trade, questionable upgrade
Beck – worthwhile trade option if we can get him cheap
Henne – QBOTF for Parcells, plus he was a mediocre QB at Michigan so no guarantee he’ll be good in pros
Clemens – Terrible QB, no accuracy, not an upgrade
Feeley – blah, would cost too much in trade
Frye – terrible QB in Cleveland, questionable ability
Wallace – scrambling QB who’s possibly a better receiver than QB
Simms – possibly washed up due to injuries, wasn’t that good before, available as free agent currently but may not be interested in coming here.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seems like

You’re going out of your way to find reasons to poo-poo every idea, rather than looking at each idea objectively.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 7, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Objectively

Most of those guys either stink or are unlikely to be available at a price we want.

Of course, I don’t know for a fact that those guys are unavailable at a price we want, since I’m not the GM so I’m not able to call those teams and find out, thus I have to go with an educated guess about their value on the trade market. And except in a few rare circumstances teams don’t give up on QBs cheaply unless either the QB is a) not very good or b) on the outs with the coaching staff.

If we were really desperate, I’d say snag Andre Woodson from the Giants, or grab a QB off someone else’s practice squad. You may also have noticed that I didn’t poo-poo trading for John Beck. If we could get him for a second rounder or cheaper I’d be fine with that.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 7, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

In addition to being open to the idea of trading for Beck (which I wrote a piece about about a month ago), I also wrote a piece two weeks ago plugging a trade for Brian Brohm. We discussed it with the guys at SB Nation’s Packers blog and they noted that historically it’s not the kind of deal that Ted Thompson goes for.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 7, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can’t even say it

by KCWolfff on Oct 6, 2008 5:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Gradkowski

If he’s not currently on somebody’s roster it wouldn’t hurt to bring him in and run him through a try-out. He’s young and showed some flashes of being good. He would fit the mold of what we’re trying to do and wouldn’t cost a draft pick. What could it hurt? I’m not sold on him being our savior, but he might (would) be an upgrade. Beck is interesting, though I can’t say I ever actually watched him play. I still think we might be able to swing a decent trade for Ainge or Brohm, but these three are off-limits for this exercise because they would require a trade. Of the choices here, I’d say Gradkowski fits the redbuilding, fishing-in-the-smaller-schools mode the Chiefs are taking.

by Chiefs4Life on Oct 6, 2008 5:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Andre' Woodson

He is on the Giants practice squad, just sign him to the 53. Cut Nap or Huard.

by Wildcatmo21 on Oct 6, 2008 7:14 PM CDT   0 recs

Culpepper's best name on the list

And while we know his negatives, I think hypothetically Culpepper would have been the best QB on the list had he been given a full year w/ the Chiefs. He could have walked into KC and had an opportunity to be “the man” just like he wants to be. I think with just his arm strength and experience it’d be a vast upgrade to where we’re sitting now. I for whatever reason could have seen him bond w/ Bowe and create a connection. But we also know that Dante wouldnt be buying this losing BS nor stand for Herm’s and not let the media hear about it…

Gradkowski would be second best on this list but I think Ingle Martin is better than he is. Didn’t we sign him or does he just fill out a #15 jersey good? No sense in having 4 QB’s on a 54 man roster so I don’t know why we signed him if we’re not gonna use him.

Craig Nall would be third on this lost. Nall either has a shitty agent or has came to terms with himself

Everybody else on this list I wouldn’t want to see near a Chiefs uniform. (The freakin’ Pilsbury throwboy!?) One free agent that was omitted from the list was Quinn Gray who isn’t anything special but better than majority of the FA’s listed

As for Colt Brennan, what y’all are seeing that we want from him is truly Jim Zorn and not Colt Brennan. Not to discredit him because I do believe he has the tools to be a successful QB, but he’s simply working with the best in the biz’. What they got going at Washington is state-of-the-art stuff and their QB development is parallel to none. You plug Croyle, Tarvaris Jackson, and a long list of other rookie or young QB’s into Zorn’s program and you’ll get the best out of them. I’ve learned so much this season that the game is coaching and specifically w/ QB’s if they don’t receive the right tutelage and coaching on how to transition into the game they’re essentially wasted talent. We’ve seen it time and time again and thats why we CANNOT (as it stands with the office we have now) draft a QB 1st round next year! It will hurt us too much and set us back further from righting this ship

The best idea I’ve heard so far is Brian Brohm. I know its out of bounds but if they demonstarted capacity or willingness to go after Quinn they should be able to do the same to Brohm. And he’s actually available. The way things are going in Green Bay though I think if McCarthy before the deadline traded Brohm away people would want his head on a plate. But really, is Brohm just an insurance policy on their Aaron Rodgers plan? If he doesnt turn out to be the Hall of Famer they think he is, they have a talented kid in the wings who might work out? I think Rodgers will be the man for some time to come in Green Bay so to me this at least puts an expiration date on Brohm’s time in Green Bay

Brett Ratliff is another Jets QB worth mentioning. Threw the ball well in the preseason and is either their 3rd or 4th stringer. Undrafted free agent from Utah. You think Herm really wants to be placing any calls back to NY for help? Nahhhhhh….

Andre Woodson is a BIG PROJECT. One I doubt we’re capable of handling….

…..I wonder if teams with depth at QB position would actually be proactive in negotiating w/ us considering the good picks we’re expected to receive in upcoming draft?

by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2008 7:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Brohm

We discussed Brohm with the Packers fan site on SB Nation and they noted that a trade was an unlikely scenario because it would likely take a first-rounder to cut Brohm loose and Ted Thompson’s history indicates an unwillingness to give up on his players too soon or to trade into the top five picks. I like Brohm too (wrote a piece about how much I liked him), but I don’t think he’s actually available for us.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 6, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I kept abreast

of both threads. Thanks for pointing them out possibly for others, but in bringing up the Brohm idea it was more a H/T to UCrawford. It was articulated nicely and considering both our situations it almost seems tangible. I wouldn’t even mind parting with a 1st rounder as it may potentailly save us from a stupid contract while acquiring us a franchise QB. Then again we could use 1st round talent all over the field…

by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2008 10:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's getting to the point

Where I think snagging a DE with our top 5 pick is the way to go.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 10:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In doing so

we’d be succombing to the opinion our 1st pick 3 drafts ago is a BUST. And if so, why should the parties responsbile for selecting him be trusted to select another?

…Its just hard for me to swallow a rebuilding mode pill when only a few seasons deep into it we’re being told the draft picks we did have were wasted.

by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 6, 2008 10:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How many picks on average end up be OK or a bust?

Help me out stat people…You can’t sit there and not draft a need just because you drafted it high a few years ago. If it is a need, then it is a need. Pass rush DE is a need. Not only did we use a 1st on Hali, we used a 2nd on McBride. I am not giving up on either, but if we are drafting 2nd, and Oher is gone, Johnson makes perfect sense.

by TheQ on Oct 6, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would guess

Somewhat educated guess, that usually about half (maybe a little less) of the 1st rounders are busts. Either because they’re terrible and busts in their own right or average players that never warranted a 1st round pick.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 11:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not necessarily a bust

Hali wasn’t on many teams’ radar as a 1st rounder. Keep Tamba on the other side where he’s shown he can play.

But solid point – I’m usually pretty cognizant of the consequences of drafting players.

by primetime 07 on Oct 6, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Yeah, I wouldn't characterize Hali as a bust

If you look at his stats, he has been ok. Struggled this year, but by all accounts is playing hurt. Hard to be a pass rush DE when you