Gut the staff!

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 4:10 PM CDT Comment 30 comments

It is time you all know it, can we end the talent scout for a head coach experiment? Yes we have a young team, but they played football before yes? We got a win against a horrible Denver D, yes worse than ours. They fully expected us to just lay down, did Denver even practice before they came here? Must have just taken the week off. Herm proved in 07 he cannot prepare a team, now in 08, he gets the young guys he wants only to show he has put together a poor coaching staff. I believe he likes to handcuff his coordinators to play his way, not let them do the job they were hired to do! Atlanta, young team beat the Pack today. Miami rookie HC, without alot of big names beat SD today. Herm is a fucking walking sound bite,a horrible coach who might be able to scout talent, but can do nothing with it. He showed this in NY once he got his guys, they went way downhill! Dick Curl, why does he have a job? None of our qbs can do a fricking thing, but lose and turn the ball over. It is the bye week, I say we say bye to Herm, and his bullshit!

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Eric, you say the same stuff week after week after week.

We get it. Hell, about 30% of us probably agree. But damn man, you’re not making any new points, you’re just hammering the same stuff. I know you’re frustrated, but this stuff just doesn’t really add much to the community conversation given the front office’s commitment to Herm and Hunt’s commitment to Peterson.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

About like you with Huard!

After some bullshit like we just witnessed, heads should roll! This is just the same play from last year, just a new cast! The one constant is Herm! Pissed yes I am, as we all should be!

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How is this new?

At least the quarterback situation is fluid. We’re changing QBs every week. This isn’t going anywhere.

And how is this new? We lost to the freaking Raiders. We got STOMPED by the Raiders. How is today any different? You say after every loss that this is the week heads should roll.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought Herm

Should never have been hired. What else do you want me to say? What positive did you take from this? Yeah you are pissed too so you want to debate me, when you have said the same shit. How is any of this going to change without the root of the problem being gone? That is what rebuilding is about is it not, building a contending competent football team? How can we be those things without a competent HC, to put the team in the best position to win?

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHOAHHHH!

Lets slow down a little bit and take a breath. If we become this angry, that will lead to bitterness, then resentment, then rage, then crimes against our friends. where does that leave us? A: the NEW Raiders of the AFC West. lets stay the civilized and respectable fans that the Chiefs are famous for having. If we begin boycotting the games, the chiefs may end up in LA and we will end up like Browns fans a few years back. so, before we start calling for heads and readying the pitchforks, we should give Clark an opportunity to right the ship.

However, if we remain under the same leadership going into next year without a viable explanation, then we storm the gates with torches and shovels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by sad, sad, sad!!! on Oct 6, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

16 Rookies don't have anything to do with it you think?

How about QBs that can’t complete more than half their passes and throw interceptions?
How about an offensive line that can’t open running lanes OR protect the pass?

People need to understand that when you are rebuilding a team like this one is, there is no depth. Hell half the players starting should be backups on teams with more talent. Damon Huard, who is probably the best QB we have on this team should be a 3rd stringer.

I’m not saying coaching has nothing to do with it, but damn, you need to understand that the talent level on this team, while very very good at some positions, is very very poor at others. That’s simply not something that you can fix in one offseason. Hell, we had 13 draft picks and didn’t fill our needs.

Bring in Bill Cowher, bring in Bill Parcells, hell bring in Vince Lombardi; it doesn’t matter if the level of talent isn’t there. It is simply going to take time for that talent to build and build depth. I’m not BLAMING the players, its just a fact. We have some players that are playing very well: Bowe, Tony G, Derrick Johnson and even the young CBs (who would have looked much better this game if we had had some sort of pass rush).

People need to get past the scapegoating of the coach and realize that there are real problems here that go past that. No doubt coaching could be part of that. But the same coach coached the NY Jets to three playoff appearances in five years and took Vermeils team to the playoffs his first year here without Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes or Trent Green for half the season. So just blaming the coach alone does not equal what we are seeing happen to this team this year.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 5, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ooh, I forgot to mention

Carolina kicked our ass with two back-up tackles in! Fox prepared his team to play, why can’t Hermie do it?

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's not gonna happen.

Maybe at the end of the year, but not during the season.

Right? Wrong? Doesn’t matter.

There’s every chance they’ll come back after the bye and win again. In the last season and a quarter, we’ve had about a half a game with Croyle and LJ on the field at the same time.

Will it make a difference? No f-ing clue, but I can wait to see one or way or the other.

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 5, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, Good Points

Firing a coach in the middle of a season is generally never a good thing.

by primetime 07 on Oct 5, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It might get some

Players attention. I really believe all we have seen is a direct reflection of the HC. Some were seen laughing and cutting up on the sideline. How can any of this be a joke to them? This is their career, retirement fund. They played without heart or intensity.

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

Is it the coach or the players?

by primetime 07 on Oct 5, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can't blame today all on the coaches

the players did not play well. Not at all.

by TheQ on Oct 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A team reflects

the attitude of it’s coaches. This starts at the top. Yes we are rebuilding and have a young team but that doesn’t mean we can’t compete each week. To get shut out in the NFL is inexcusable. The “tampa two” which is a Herm thing needs to go. We have aggressive players that should be used as such. So as bad as this team played today is going to have to be blamed on the coaches. Herm has got to go. With the young talent this team has, we should be able to land head coach that can right the ship. We have to stop the hiring of who you know and are comfortable with philosophy.

by cmpotter on Oct 5, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So basically,

if Eric Allen was the owner of the Chiefs he would just be a clone of Al Davis. Matt brings up some great points you do constantly gripe about the coaching staff. The answer is not to just fire the coach. In doing that you handcuff the entire team.

I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.

by KCking on Oct 5, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yet.

You don’t fire the coach yet.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 5, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

for the correction

I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.

by KCking on Oct 5, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I was the owner

This lame duck coach would never have been hired! We give up a fourth round pick for a 4-12 coach? What is that? He was about to be fired anyway!

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How?

Does that really handcuff your team? This team is going nowhere in the state it is in. Last year was suppose to be the worst. We have gone backward this year, which I never thought was possible. The answer is to fire the coach and start over……at the end of season. Carl should be leading the way out the door as well. This is the best time to gut the front office….at the end of the season, because this team is as bad as it gets.

by cmpotter on Oct 5, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where has this team gone under Herm?

No improvement anywhere. We give him the players he wants, and it is the same ol shit. Where can you possibly see anything positive from this? Show me one bright point of this game. Colquitt? I do constantly gripe about the coaching staff. If people are on the sidelines laughing, and cutting up while we are getting our asses handed to us, should maybe one of the coaches, be coaching. Sacintosh, what is the excuse there, same crap all season, no change.

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So what are you saying?

the coaches should be monitoring the sidelines looking for players that are smiling or laughing? That’s ridiculous. The players are adults too. I can understand you complaining about the apparent lack of game planning and the nonexistence of adapting during the game but getting after the coaching staff because players are laughing. Come on.

I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.

by KCking on Oct 5, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No I am saying they

Should be coaching, letting them know the seriousness of the b.s. that is going on.

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't Think It's An Issue Of Gutting The Staff

So much as decapitating it. The problems aren’t below the level of head coach. Chan Gailey is a competent NFL offensive coordinator. We’ve seen that Gunther is a competent NFL defensive coordinator. I honestly believe that the problems with the coaching staff center around Herm. Obviously we don’t know what goes on in the team and coaching meetings, but underprepared, sloppy play is a hallmark of Herm’s teams throughout his coaching career…regardless of who the coordinators are. Remove him, put someone else in charge and I think you’d see some improvement. Not a lot, because obviously it wouldn’t solve our issues at QB or our lack of quality linemen, but I think that Herm’s head should roll and someone else should be put in charge of the staff. My suggestion would be Gailey because he’s had some success as a head coach before. Or Gunther, I suppose…he wasn’t horrible. But I think Herm definitely needs to go, sooner rather than later.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 5, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gailey as HC?

Now there is an intriguing thought…

by KCFanatic on Oct 5, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's A Decent Interim

Hiring a head coach from outside the organization mid-season would be just asking for trouble at this point unless you’re absolutely certain you can find somebody you’d want for the long-term (Kiffin is probably the best prospect, but he may not be interested in coaching this year and it would be disruptive)…you want to do that in the offseason, not mid-season. It would also give Gailey an opportunity to see if he’s good enough to be in the mix for the permanent job.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 5, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bye week would be

A great time to do it. The players are going to start accepting losing as a learning experience. Then it becomes habit.

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is that so hard to understand?

by Eric Allen on Oct 5, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because it makes no sense

You are scapegoating one guy that you don’t like who isn’t even the biggest problem.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 5, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I 100% agree with Eric..

Herman is 50% of the problem and Peterson is the other 50%… Never thought much of Herman Edwards as a head ball coach and Peterson hasn’t been successful since he ran off Marty.

Herman is setting lots of records at least I guess…

How long do you give the project? 3 more years? 5 more years? If he made the play-offs just one time, I would fall out of my chair. He may have gone to the playoffs 3 times in NY, but he didn’t have Peterson there to hinder him. One word——Lousy!

Another year of this and if you live in the KC area, you had better go to the home games if you want to see them as they won’t be on TV…

by KCAl on Oct 6, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

30% is a vast under statement!

Matt, good points, but I believe it to be closer to 90% of Chief fans beleive it’s time for Herm to move on!

by TouchdownKansasCity on Oct 5, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And as far as Gun and Gailey go...

Good for interim, but they have already had their shots… I have no confidence Carl will hire the right guy anyway… so Herman may as well stay as long as Carl is here…. That way we don’t waste any good young coaching talent…

Carl Peterson is Al Davis light… You can have your job unless you lose or challenge my authority….

by KCAl on Oct 6, 2008 12:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs