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Revisiting the Chiefs Draft Possibilities

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After watching the Jets game on Sunday and actually thinking about #6 overall pick Vernon Gholston for the first time since the draft, I decided to go back over some of the 2008 draft picks and see how they're doing. If you go even further to the 2007 draft, you'll see guys that were talked about on here as possible Chiefs' picks- Justin Harrell, Dwayne Jarrett and Robert Meacham for example- that have come nowhere close to Dwayne Bowe's production.

I'm certainly not going to call any of these guys a bust eight weeks into the season, because that's what stupid people do. This is more a comparative study for conversation's sake and so you can keep these guys in your mind as you watch games this weekend.

I've noticed interesting conversation dropping off a bit around the Chiefs blogosphere in the last couple of days. Larry Johnson's pending suspension plus an emotion-filled effort last weekend that resulted in a loss has taken a lot of out us recently. Recharge now and get psyched up again this weekend. It's the spread offense, remember?

Let us know who you would have rather had in the 1st round in the comment section.

#6 LB Vernon Gholston, New York Jets


Sacks Interceptions Tackles
G Sacks YdsL Int Yds IntTD Solo Ast Total
2008 - Vernon Gholston 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1

As the Jets blog says, Vernon Gholston has had a tough time finding his place on the field. Gholston has registered six tackles in seven games this season and his name has barely shown up, well, anywhere.

Vernon Gholston, like a lot of draft picks, would fit in well in KC at the linebacker spot, if only because of our lack of depth at the position. Most teams are probably better off with current Ohio St. senior LB James Laurinitis.

#7 DT Sedrick Ellis, New Orleans Saints


Sacks Interceptions Tackles
G Sacks YdsL Int Yds IntTD Solo Ast Total
2008 - Sedrick Ellis 5 1.0 5 0 0 0 7 3 10

Here we had a legit controversy over who the Chiefs should draft- Ellis or Dorsey. The Saints had reportedly offered a deal to the Chiefs that included their first and second round picks and their first round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft but the Chiefs decided to draft Dorsey instead.

In five games with the Saints this year, Ellis has ten tackles and this thing called a sack. I wasn't sure what a sack was so I had to look it up and lo and behold, the Chiefs have four this year! Who knew?

Sedrick Ellis is just now coming back from a knee injury that kept him out for a few games this season. Saints fans seem excited about him and his future appears bright.

#8 DE Derrick Harvey, Jacksonville Jaguars


Sacks Interceptions Tackles
G Sacks YdsL Int Yds IntTD Solo Ast Total
2008 - Derrick Harvey 5 0 0 1 0 0 5 0 5

Derrick Harvey has played sparingly for Jacksonville after a record 33-day holdout over the summer. Jaguars fans seem to be a mix of frustrated and anxious about drafting Harvey and more than anything they're ready to see him produce on the field. Harvey was the first pick of the draft that I felt was a big reach and I certainly would not have wanted him to be a Chief.

#9 LB Keith Rivers, Cincinnati Bengals


Sacks Interceptions Tackles
G Sacks YdsL Int Yds IntTD Solo Ast Total
2008 - Keith Rivers 6 0 0 1 39 0 24 12 36

Keith Rivers played solidly for a terrible, terrible Bengals team until he broke his jaw two weeks against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The injury plus playing for such a poor team as the Bengals means we'll have to evaluate Rivers more next year.

#10 LB Jerod Mayo, New England Patriots


Sacks Interceptions Tackles
G Sacks YdsL Int Yds IntTD Solo Ast Total
2008 - Jerod Mayo 7 0 0 0 0 0 37 10 47

Jerod Mayo, in classic Patriot fashion, has come in and made quite the impact in New England. Mayo has played in every game this season and has totaled 48 tackles, by far the most out of any of the rookies we've talked about so far.

Mayo is starting and playing well. A great pick.

It's way too early to say I would have any of these players over Dorsey. Frankly, we could have used literally every player drafted in the first round and probably plugged them into a starting position. We can't lose in the '09 draft!

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If I knew that the LB corp were so bad

I would have drafted Rivers or Mayo, but I think Dorsey will come into his own with a new DL coach.

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by JasonM on Oct 30, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never said he was

I think he would benefit from a new one, just my opinion.

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by JasonM on Oct 30, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotcha

you meant “Dorsey WOULD come into his own”…

I thought I had missed some news.

by PVChiefsfan on Oct 30, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Chiefs lose the next 2 games can we start up the

community mock drafts in November? I call the Chiefs if we do.

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by JasonM on Oct 30, 2008 8:06 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the deal with the ads on the sidebar?

They are covering the top half of the fanposts?

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by JasonM on Oct 30, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

They are covering more and more of the site as the weeks go on.

I understand the need for revenue, but it is a bit annoying.

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 30, 2008 8:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

I will send a bug report into SBNation. I don’t think they’re supposed to be covering any of the content. It hasn’t happened to me (yet).

by primetime 07 on Oct 30, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's fixed

It was doing it to me earlier today… but seems better now.

by Ochophosphate on Oct 30, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need to give Dorsey time.

He needs to improve his strength and the disruptive burst doesn’t seem to be there. He looks more active early in the games and wears down late. More depth at DT would help. It almost seems like Tank and Dorsey have somehow switched roles. Dorsey gets double teamed more and Tank seems to be getting more penetration. More presure off the ends and linebackers who can actually fill might help as well.

by rustdog on Oct 30, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harvey was a reach

I remember thinking that when I was watching the draft. Most boards had him going in the twenties, so when JAX traded up into the top 10, I thought, “WTF?”

by PVChiefsfan on Oct 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FYI On Your Ellis Entry

The Saints did offer a trade to move up and grab Dorsey, but they didn’t offer two first-rounders as part of the package. It was reported that they did on NFLN, but the report was erroneous. Carl Peterson said later that had the Saints offered two first rounders and a second to move up he would have traded the pick.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 30, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correct

They wanted to swap places with us in the first round, and give us their 2nd and 6th. If Peterson had passed on an additional 1st rounder in 2009, I’d personally drive to his house and kick him in the nuts.

by PVChiefsfan on Oct 30, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Even Peterson’s not dumb enough to pass on an offer that good.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 30, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good.

I’m normally not on the King Carl hate-train, but I was about to buy a ticket if he passed up a deal like that.

by JacinB on Oct 30, 2008 5:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not surprised that Ellis stats are better than Dorsey only....

because Ellis has a better supporting cast (Will Smith, Charles Grant, Vilma) than Dorsey.

I don’t remember hearing Gholstons name mentioned last Sunday, and he should of had a career day against us (especially on the right side).

Don’t know much about Harvey, but I think the hold out hurt him alot. At the time the trade was made with by Jacksonville to move up I thought, Wow…somebody screwed up either Balitmore or Jacksonville. After looking back through the draft, I think right now Baltimore has the upper hand with the trade. Flacco is looking like the QB that Boller will never be.

by aPacificChief on Oct 30, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think Ellis stats are really that much better than Dorsey's

Ellis has 10 tackles through 5 games and Dorsey has 18 tackles through 7. The only difference is a sack. A sack can occur in many different manners and doesn’t mean necessary that Ellis beat his man. Usually DTs get their sacks because of good DE’s that force the QB into them. That is play we really have been lacking. Don’t forget that Dorsey has a forced fumble too.

I agree with you that Ellis does have a better supporting cast though.

by schraggyj on Oct 30, 2008 2:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stats are not all that better, but Dorsey was proclaimed by many to be the best player in the draft,

and so far Ellis is not too far off from Dorsey’s production.

Haven’t given up on Dorsey by any means, just saying that if Dorsey was the stud of the ‘08 draft shouldn’t we be expecting more from him?

by aPacificChief on Oct 30, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not Really

Linemen take time to develop. Ellis may be as good or better than Dorsey now, but let’s see what their ceilings look like in a couple of years.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 30, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet again

an awesome post Chris. Great to have you back again but Prime was holding it down for you well.

by Ilamuku on Oct 30, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey that's what he does

The kid can post. I like his upside. Nothing more to it. You live. To post. On AP.

by primetime 07 on Oct 30, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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