•Glenn Dorsey has not been effective through four NFL games. I’m nowhere near ready to label him a ...

•Glenn Dorsey has not been effective through four NFL games.

I’m nowhere near ready to label him a bust. I am willing to admit concern. He seems to lack explosion in his lower and upper body. His punch seems ineffective, and his feet don’t appear to be all that quick. That’s not a good combination. Right now, he plays like a guy who needs to spend a solid year in the weight room.

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And, if there’s anyone who should know about lacking explosion and quickness in any part of his body, it’s Jason Whitlock.

Personally, I think Whitlock needs to go back and watch more game tape. Last week, for example, Dorsey was getting double-teamed for most of the game while the Broncos tried to open up running lanes and, even then, was managing to stuff his blocker(s) back into the running lane and plug up the holes.

by JacinB on Oct 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT 0 recs

I wouldn't even admit concern

We’re a long, long way from even being concerned.

by primetime 07 on Oct 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up 0 recs

You beat me to

it. I saw Dorsey getting doubled as well. I think he’s coming along well. He’s building up!

by Ilamuku on Oct 3, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up 0 recs

Accepting anything that Whitlock has to say as factual or believable

is like accepting there really is an Easter bunny.

by Lanier63 on Oct 3, 2008 9:10 AM CDT 0 recs

Then

Where do I get my Easter candy? Riddle me that, Lanier.

by primetime 07 on Oct 3, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up 0 recs

Santa?

by JacinB on Oct 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up 0 recs

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

You receive that from loved ones...

by Lanier63 on Oct 3, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up 0 recs

Thorough analysis by Fatlock

“I am willing to admit concern. He seems to lack explosion in his lower and upper body.”

Wouldn’t that mean his entire body? Oh wait, he didn’t mention his arms or neck….

by dkugler838 on Oct 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT 0 recs

+1

I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.

by KCking on Oct 3, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

maybe he means

that his “feet” and “head/neck” lack explosion, but the middle is okay

by benfunke on Oct 3, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up 0 recs

Whitlock And Defensive Linemen

I think that Whitlock’s too quick to dismiss rookie linemen as disappointing. Like it’s been pointed out numerous times before, rookies on the defensive line sometimes take awhile to adjust to the pro game (which Whitlock, to his credit, does allude to).

Would we like to see Dorsey playing like Sapp this year? Of course…absolutely. Should we be disappointed if he doesn’t? Of course not. Now if he regresses in his second year or is underwhelming in his third year (like Hali has been) then it’ll be time to be really concerned.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT 0 recs

We need to give Hali a little break.

He’s in a new position and has been playing hurt the last couple of weeks.

I am concerned, but we need to give him a lot more games before we toss him out.

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

Breaks

I’m not tossing the guy out, I’m just saying that he hasn’t improved since he got here. He had a solid rookie year, his numbers regressed his second year and he’s a non-factor his third…that’s a problem that goes beyond being banged up the last two weeks.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up 0 recs

I wonder if he is injury prone

It seems like every year we hear that he has some nagging injury. Is he just not built to play the position, or do we hear this so that we don’t blame Carl/Herm when he fails?

by tevans96 on Oct 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up 0 recs

No Clue

That’s why it’s more important to focus on what he actually produces on the field as opposed to what the coaching staff and front office say he’s capable of producing on the field.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up 0 recs

For some strange reason

I would have thought the MMA training he took last year would have helped him be more of a “scrapper” in dealing with the Off Linemen he faces. I just do not know what is going on here other than what I would believe is the obvious. And that is playing out of position. Didnt he play the other side on college?

by Lanier63 on Oct 3, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sapp was pretty undwhelming his rookie year

just a reminder of his rookie vs 2nd year: 3 sacks in ’95 and 9 in ’96. He also only started 8 games his rookie year and Glenn is going to start all of them pending health issues (knock on wood)

by dkugler838 on Oct 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up 0 recs

Dorsey needs to build endurance

He looks very good early on in the game, but like most rookies he wears down in the second half. It doesn’t help the fact that he is fighting off 2 guys on every play.

by rustdog on Oct 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT 0 recs

Excellent observation

And I agree, at least from what I’ve been able to observe on the tube, it seems Dorsey is constantly being doubled. So yeah, that’s gotta wear down any player over the course of a game. (My point) So how good is that for us – our rookie needing to be doubled all the time (Scores !!).

Having to watch all the games on the tube and therefore being at the mercy of the camera man – it’s tough to focus on any one player. Do they actually keep stats on the number of times Dorsey’s being double teamed.

by Cat Stabber on Oct 3, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Coming from this guy?!

The same guy who thinks Jeff George is a top notch QB. I guess he should GM.

by cmpotter on Oct 3, 2008 9:57 AM CDT 0 recs

Jeff George

Was a solid QB. Great, no. Pro Bowl caliber, probably not. But solid. And since the guy went to school with him and they’re friends I don’t really fault Whitlock for plugging him.

George’s stats.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GeorJe00.htm

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up 0 recs

Forty-six wins. Seventy-eight losses. No Pro Bowls in 12 seasons.

by JacinB on Oct 3, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

Played For Crappy Teams

Most of whom were crappy for reasons that didn’t have anything to do with George’s performance. He performed solidly as a QB.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

That doesn't make him right.

He was mainly a journeyman and should be labeled a bust. He was the #1 overall pick in 1990. He was terrible his first four seasons. The year after we was traded the colts went to the AFC championship. He got run from there and Atlanta. He did make the playoffs with the Falcons. He did good for one season with the Raiders and that didn’t last. He was in the league off and on for 16 seasons and played in two playoff games.

by cmpotter on Oct 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Bust Is A Fair Assessment

For a number one overall pick he should have been better. Although in fairness to George nobody outside of the Colts thought he was worth a number one pick when he was drafted there. It’s kind of a forgotten trade, but the deal that the Colts made to trade up to number one overall was one of the worst ever. They traded a Pro Bowl lineman (Chris Hinton) and a Pro Bowl receiver (Andre Rison) to get a QB they probably could have had much later in the first round. Just another classic blunder from Bob Irsay.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm Also Inclined To Give Him A Pass On The Bad Teams

The Colts were a horrible franchise for most of his time there…really talentless and poorly run. George’s teams had Eric Dickerson near the end of his career (536 and 677 yards rushing in the two years they played together) and they got rid of George right before they got Marshall Faulk. The Colts’ defenses were in the bottom ten of the league every season he was there, his offensive line was terrible (most sacked QB over that time period), and the best receiver he had was Reggie Langhorne. If the Colts hadn’t dumped Rison and Hinton to acquire George, they might have been able to achieve something, but then probably not because there were so many problem areas everywhere else.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

Same With

The Raiders and Falcons. Both terrible teams. The Falcons actually had a .500 record in the years where George was their full-time starter and had a top ten offense in yardage both years…when they went to Bobby Hebert as starter in George’s third season there, the Falcons’ offense dropped to 17th. The Raiders offense was middle of the pack while he was the starter with Oakland, but their terrible record that season was more due to the Raiders having one of the worst defenses in the NFL (and a terrible head coach in Joe Bugel). Then he had a bad year under Jon Gruden, a bit of a rebound year in Minnesota after that, then he was pretty much done as an effective starter.

Was George a great QB? No, not close. But he was above-average and he was usually more effective than not over the course of his career.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

All fair assessments

He never played for great teams. The colts weren’t the only team that thought highly of him though. The only reason he left school early is because he was told he would be a top five pick. That was before the Colts made there moves.

by cmpotter on Oct 3, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thoroughly Insane Of The Colts

And terrible player evaluation. Junior Seau and Cortez Kennedy were both available with that top pick and both would have done wonders for the team’s defense. And John Friesz, Scott Mitchell and Neil O’Donnell were all available with later round picks. So even if they hadn’t made the trade for Atlanta, they would have had a shot at a couple of capable QBs (and had Chris Hinton to protect their QB’s blind side, and had Andre Rison to throw to). Colts fans owe a debt of gratitude to Jim Irsay for forcing his dad out of managing that team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

G Dorsey was a stud

at the university level where he dominated other players. In the NFL his superior athletic abilities are no longer dominating the people he is playing against. Once he figures out what people are doing to him, and gets used to going up against equally strong and fast athletes, he will be fine. I have no doubt he will be a stud again. Give him time.

by G.L. on Oct 3, 2008 3:23 PM CDT 0 recs

I Think You're Right

I’m not worried about Dorsey this year. I don’t think that most Chiefs fans are.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 3, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

Just needs some time

Our D-line picks from last year looked downright awful. With a year of training and growth they are much better now. Dorsey is way better than they were last year and will get better with time. I’m not even tempted to call him a bust yet. I will say he looks kind of soft though. I think a year of pro-level weight lifting will do him a world of good; it seems to have helped Tyler and McBride.

by Chiefs4Life on Oct 3, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

Whitlock has accomplished what he wanted.

That was to get people talking about HIM again. He’s an idiot and is saying anything he can to get the publicity that TO and Ocho Cinco get. He’s trying the same tactics. If we were smart, we’d laugh at him, then turn our backs and called him an idiot under our breath never to think of him again.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 3, 2008 10:07 PM CDT 0 recs

Hali

I’ll say it again he is out of position! Left tackles give him fits! Much better left end than right.

by dklogue1 on Oct 4, 2008 4:57 AM CDT 0 recs

But He Wasn't Dominant On The Left Either

8 sacks per year and he regressed in all of his other numbers after his rookie season. He also wasn’t getting that much penetration into the backfield.

He’s not a bad end, but he’s not been a great end either…whichever side he’s played on.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 4, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up 0 recs

He'll work

Once we get a high level DE on the left. From what he’s shown, when placed in the right position he’s a serviceable end. I’d like to keep him for depth sake but I think Turk’s going to turn out better.

by primetime 07 on Oct 4, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

Servicable

That is the key word with Hali in my mind, he looks to be a good rotational player. But he seems to not be built to handle the starting role. A lot of draft people felt we reached on Hali when we drafted him, he was viewed as a round 2 talent not 1st round.

He might turn it around but needs to show something this year or he may be one that loses his job. If he doesn’t get it together and is replaced next year then my evaluation of Herm will go up, because what most coaches do is stick with a guy too long and it hurts the team.

by tevans96 on Oct 4, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up 0 recs