Statement Game? Why not.
It's the easiest proposition to make about a football team in the NFL, and the hardest one to be proved accurate: that a particular team, thanks to a particular game, has discovered its true identity.
Heck, we've written that about this particular Kansas City Chiefs squad at least three times this season: after the Raiders home loss we thought this team would be young and incompetent, after the swoon of the Broncos victory we thought this team would be fun and dynamic, and after the dregs of the Titans trainwreck we wrote that this team would be boring and disasterous. That doesn't even include the preseason. It's just impossible in this league for single games to have the monumental message delivery that we writers constantly invent for them.
Having tasted my own proverbial foot shoved down my throat heel-deep a time or two this season, I nonetheless can't help saying it's for real this time. Having watched this game, the Chiefs looked about as comfortable in their own skin today as they have all season.
We've mislabeled this team by simplifying them as a team on the verge of competing in a couple years. That rang true at one point while LJ was running hard at River Falls, Croyle was leading drives in preseason, and the defense looked somewhat competent. All Herm talked about was the future. The team was thinking about the future. We were thinking about the future.
But with Croyle out, LJ suspended and getting his act together, and our defense giving up historically awful performances against the run, the future has begun to look farther and farther away. It's become near-impossible to watch these games and feel good about the future of this team. I can only imagine what it's like to be playing the games.
It took second-year nobody Tyler Thigpen and all-time great Tony Gonzalez to reframe our perspectives onto the present rather than the future. Gonzalez's proud leadership on the field and in the locker room, combined with a downright sprightly performance by Thigpen, truly led a team to understand the excitement of being a spoiler. On the other side of the ball, the defense followed suit. Tamba Hali got his groove back on the left side and rookie Brandon Flowers made a name for himself.
Thrilled, more than anything, with the prospect of upending a good team that dared look past them. With Flowers' pick-six in the fourth quarter, you could feel it.
The Chiefs aren't racking up wins by the handful this year. They aren't world-beaters. But they can make their names as the league's traveling hornet's nest. They are young. They are unafraid. And they've really got nothing to lose.
The future will be here soon enough. So will the endless great discussions across the Chiefs blogosphere about who factors into this team's longterm plans. But this game promises us, for the rest of a season now worth watching, that all the newfound enthusiasm that comes with youth needs to be appreciated for what it is, and not wasted by simply focusing on the future.
Youth is to be appreciated while we get to enjoy it. It's a classic lesson of life. You spoil the fun by simply waiting for this team to grow up.
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Very well put
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 26, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like we won
…oh nevermind. I forgot it’s only one game and on top it only being one game we still lost.
I will not be “hopeful” of this team, management and staff over one game. Doing so would be a slap in the face to myself and those that have supported this team and it’s mediocrity for far too long.
Show me CONTINUOUS improvement week-to-week then we can debate this fiasco. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Chiefs are the stock market of the NFL…Down-up-down-spike-spike-down
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 26, 2008 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Got To Agree With Truth
It’s a promising game only if it’s followed up by similarly competitive efforts. If we’ve got another month of blowouts after this all the Jets game indicates is that really horrible teams can occasionally have decent days. Lets see what happens next week.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 26, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXCACTLY UC...I love some of the posts on here today..
…so we “almost won”, we “see improvement”. So if you’re passionate with your gf/wife and last 30 seconds and she says afterward “I almost _ _ _ _”, I suppose it’s good for her to have almost "" with some of the fan posts logic around here? Personally I play for 60 minutes, but that’s just me.
UC you’re a stat guy so correct me:
Favre 3 INT’s -still won the game
Chiefs 1-6
Chiefs 24 Jets 28
Pretty much surmises it. The last stat says it all.
Chiefs- “the stock market of the NFL -down-up-down-spike-spike-down”
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 26, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuild
I am with you on the fact that they need to string a few of these types of games together. But I have to say you seem overly critical of the improvement shown today.
This is a rebuilding team and as such will be wildly inconsistent all season long. So, we must look at every game and compair it to earlier in the season and see how they match up and if things are getting better or not. This was a vast improvement on the offensive side of the ball. We saw better play from more players than we had seen all season, as such it gives us the ability to look for building blocks for the future.
Now the D really didn’t show much if any improvment, our corners continue to get better but lets face it Farve throws interception a lot. Our LBs are still playing out of position and over playing their gaps thus giving up huge rushes. Our D line still needs five minutes to get to the QB to manage a single sack.
Be happy that we saw some players step up and don’t worry Herm still can’t coach so you have plenty to hang him with. Such as using the worst part of our offense to try and run the clock out with 4 minutes to play, we should have been going for another score.
by tevans96 on Oct 26, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not One To Pin Wins and Losses Entirely On A QB
We didn’t lose because of anything Tyler Thigpen did…the terrible defense, the injury to Jamaal Charles (our only effective RB) and the questionable playcalling at the end were what cost us. Statistically there were no knocks on what Thigpen did yesterday, it was an outstanding game by any standard. The only knock on Thigpen will be if he goes back to his previous level of performance after this week….which is very possible because what he did was so far out of line with the rest of his career.
Although I will say that his mechanics looked very sharp and I can’t recall any of Thigpen’s pass attempts yesterday where I was wondering “What in the hell is he throwing at?”.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he had one bad pass
where the Jets almost intercepted it. I couldn’t see well because I was at the game but it looked like another “off the shoulderpads” bullet that flies into the air.
Anyways I definately think he played well and looks promising because he seems to be somewhat durable, has good zip on his ball and can really scramble. I just hope that his accuracy keeps improving and maybe we do have an answer at QB.
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Oct 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Going To Wait A Bit Before I Say That
Every time I see a guy have a performance that’s way out of line with the rest of his career, I just remember the story of Bobo Holloman from baseball. The guy threw a no-hitter in his first start but he was out of the pros after that year because it was just a fluke performance. Same could be said of Timmy Smith, who had a brilliant game in the Super Bowl and then never came close to performing that well again.
To Thigpen’s credit, though, his performance appeared to be more a factor of him playing well rather than his teammates covering for him, so I think he’s certainly earned a look for a couple more weeks.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of line with the rest of his career ??
that’d be ummmm…… one game. Or are you comparing college w/ NFL – seriously ?? I agree we need to see more of Bones before any reasonable assessment can be made. After all, prior to Huard’s injury – Tyler wasn’t on anyone’s radar to play – possibly ever again.
Herm had previously vocalized that Tyler clearly wasn’t the answer – but injuries forced him to play the kid this week – and to everyone’s surprise, look what happened. Oh and Herm would be the one responsible for the decision to play him over Gray and Ingle – and (Wow) he did get BLASTED on this site for that. Were you not one of those calling for Gray to start ??
by HankerChief on Oct 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Would Be Five Games Before This One
Here are his 2008 stats. He’s never completed more than 50% of his passes in any of them. So it’s just a question of which is the anomaly…yesterday’s game or the other five.
And his college stats are relevant to the discussion because they happened and they reflect on his ability to complete passes and function as a QB.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's had one start in the NFL
getting a spot chance to play in a game(s) is different than starting especially w/ the week long prep that goes into it. The jury is still out on Bones – no doubt about it. I still don’t see his college experience as relevant to his potential ability as an NFL Q.B. – given what he showed yesterday.
by HankerChief on Oct 27, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cherrypicking
His college stats were a four year window into evaluating his ability. If you want to throw out every piece of evidence that undermines your case, then you shouldn’t pretend that your support of Thigpen is anything more than faith-based wishful thinking. And it’s fine if you want to believe that, but I’m not buying that he’s good until he performs at this level for another two or three games in a row. Sports history is full of one-game wonders who played above their ability level for a brief moment.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
and its not like the Jets are a good team. I was at the game — when Favre threw the INT to Flowers, 1/3rd of the fans left out of disgust for their teams errors. I feel like we played ok but the Jets played bad — and the Jets still won.
I don’t understand how people are so happy with a loss.
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Oct 27, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Because
The rest of the season’s so bad that the few good spots we see get blown way out of proportion.
The Jets certainly played down to our previous level of performance, but let’s not take away what the Chiefs did…our offense played well and so did our QB, despite a relatively decent performance by the Jets defense. But I’ll wait until next week’s game against the Bucs (who have a very solid defense) to say that the Chiefs have it figured out.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes I agree
a few things stood out to me:
*Thigpen looks good – better than Favre yesterday.
*Our pass defense looked good – Jets fans around me kept saying this.
*Hali at least played like an NFL starter.
*Our receiving core looked very good – I think Bowe, Bradley, and Touchdown Tony looked like a top 10 NFL receiving group.
*Chan Gailey adopted Thigpen’s style and ran a spread offense which threw the Jets defense off and actually made our ofense look pretty good.
BUT the main point I have is that we LOST and that’s unnacceptable – especially when we had the game won. I think there were some bright points but if we had a better/smarter coach – we probably would have pulled this one off. We lost and we were +3 in the turnover battle.
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Oct 27, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I don’t want to give that performance any more merit then it deserves. It was “OK” but would have been “Good” had we won.
Now, if we play against TB that way and continue to improve performance/coaching next week then I’ll believe a little more.
Basically I want improvement (however slight) week to week. If I see a blowout then it’s back to square one.
Case in point…win with Denver then shutout. That’s not learning and building…that makes it look like a fluke.
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree About The Coaching
Thigpen definitely outplayed Favre. In fact, Favre’s mechanics yesterday reminded me a lot of Thigpen’s mechanics every other week…just sloppy and rushed.
Bradley definitely impressed…that was a great TD catch he made and I think he’s showing some real potential as our number two. It’s tough to judge him off his previous career because the Chicago QB situation was such a trainwreck, but I like what we’re seeing so far. Sincere thanks to Muhsin Muhammad for calling Carl Peterson to recommend Bradley. Maybe we should bring in Muhammad to be our WR coach when his playing career’s up :)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
…but I’m the same mindset of Mike Singletary’s post game press conference. He wants 11 on the field or 10 that want to be there as a team.
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll See About Singletary
I’m not really a fan of coaches who dog their players out in the press this early on like Singletary did to Vernon Davis. It’s almost always better handled behind closed doors unless the coach is just looking to garner a few headlines for himself or scapegoat somebody for a really ugly loss (which the loss to Seattle was). Kind of bush league on Singletary’s part, I thought.
I realize that some people have been touting Singletary as a good head coach candidate for a long time, but what has he really done? He’s been a linebackers coach who was blessed with some abnormally talented linebacking corps (Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis will make any LB coach look good), he has no experience as a defensive coordinator, and the only time he seems to get looked at for head coaching gigs is when somebody needs a token minority candidate to interview to satisfy the “Rooney Rule” requirement. He doesn’t appear to ever have been a serious contender for those jobs. He wasn’t even a serious candidate for the Baylor job, and he’s Baylor’s most famous football alumnus.
I’m just not sold on Singletary as a head coach…too many great former players simply can’t make the leap to coaching and he comes off to me as one of them.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No No
I disagree with you there. He didn’t single out Davis “this early on”. Singletary has been seeing this from Davis for the entire season, he just didn’t have the authority to do anything about it. It was out of his hands. He saw the situation for what it was and made a statement to Davis and the rest of the team.
“This will not be tolerated”
The first and foremost thing a good coach does is instill a mindset into his players as far as what the purpose of being a “team” is all about. He did that in his reaction. If anyone thinks about getting out of line and does anything that’s detrimental to the success of the team then they will be ostracized as well (behind closed doors). If they continue, then it’ll be public in front of the team and fans.
I also don’t agree that his previous coaching (or lack thereof in certain positions) should be a prerequisite to becoming a head coach. He’s been around long enough the right coaches to have gained knowledge. Now whether he applies that is yet to be seen. But, we’ll see. So far I like his attitude and drive and that’s the first step that the 49ers need. No more premadonna’s.
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 27, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He didn’t single Davis out on his own, he was asked why Davis wasn’t playing and answered the question.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 27, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he could have said a lot more...
…but he refrained. He took responsibility for the loss and basically indicated that the team is not playing to their potential.
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pro-football the head coach is somewhat of a politician...while in college you got to be a salesman...
Singletary might have been passed up by Baylor more because he did not possess the skills needed to effectively recruit players.
And Parcells called out many a player (Terry Glenn, she’s not ready), and Vernon Davis has done little to return the investment placed on him by the Niners (6th overall pick). The guy is a classic underachiever, and needed a good kick in the pants, as do the whole team. I use to support the Niners when I was living in the Bay Area (but I loved the Chiefs), and this team has been bad for a long time.
by aPacificChief on Oct 27, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Defense Of Vernon Davis
It’s tough to be a standout when your offense only targets you once or twice a game like it has this year. He’s been productive as a pass-catcher when anything’s thrown his way, it’s just that Martz doesn’t use TEs.
And Singletary backed off a bit on his comments on Davis today and said that the guy busted his butt every day in practice and worked hard at his game. Most of Davis’ problems with production are from factors beyond his control.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Vernon Davis was Chief we would be calling him a bust already.
For a sixth overall pick to have only 88 receptions, 970 rec. yards, and only 7 TD’s after 3 years is pretty poor. The TE out of college was able to run a 4.4 in the 40, that’s why he was drafted so high. Davis should have been featured as a playmaker with that kind of speed, but he hasen’t show any consistency. But yet San Fran never game planned around this guy.
And Martz was the OC only for this year, the Niners have been playing the traditional west coast offense the previous two years. Davis needs a real good kick in the pants.
by aPacificChief on Oct 27, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
His stats are pretty good considering how infrequently he’s targeted. He got injured his first year, the QB situation in San Francisco fell apart his second year, and the offensive coordinator runs an offense that doesn’t target him this year (because Mike Martz has never used a TE as a focal point). Davis isn’t the one who decides what plays to run.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, San Francisco has also been a pretty crappy team the last three years, which leads me to believe that perhaps the problem isn’t really with Vernon Davis but with a coaching staff that can’t effectively utilize the talents of the players they’ve got. For his end, Davis has been productive when he’s used…which is pretty much all you can ask of any player.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
If Tony Gonzalez was a 49er, I suspect that he’d have numbers very similar to Davis’. It’s just a bad offense for TEs.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Tony played anywhere he would succeed.
Vernon has dropped alot of passes. That’s the reason more than anything that he hasen’t been featured, not so much the offensive system. Because the offense prior to Martz utilized the TE postition.
Talked to alot of friends who still live in the Bay Area, and they all pretty much gave up on this guy as ever being anything other than an average TE.
by aPacificChief on Oct 27, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the questionable hands that has dropped Davis in the playcalling.
Because with 4.4 speed he’s a big WR who happens to play TE. Davis would of created mismatch problems all over the field. If the QB & OC could rely on him making the play.
by aPacificChief on Oct 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the season
Most of us said that if we saw improvment in the team as the season goes along that would be enough because we knew a young team would lose some games they should win.
I was glad to see the offense start to put things together. What I have to wonder is if Chan finally just told Edwards that there is no way in hell that we can play power football this year with the players we have. It seemed like they finally put together an offensive game plan that played to the players strenghts, and this actually worked. You could tell that Thigpen was much more comfortable with this way of running the Offense and it had production. When things fell apart was when we try to play “preserve the lead” power football, we just don’t have the players for that type of game this year.
by tevans96 on Oct 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Wondered That Too
Kind of reminded me of that scene in “We Are Marshall” where Matthew McConaughey’s character realized that they had to run the veer because the offensive line was so bad. And I do agree that getting away from that at the end cost us.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If you just don’t have the players to run your favorite type of offense then you have to change the offense. Because you really can’t change the players mid stream but you can change the offensive philosophy.
“The power I, I believe in the power I, I love the power I. But we can’t play the power I” or something like that.
by tevans96 on Oct 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understand the guarded optimism..and trying to prepare ourselves for
a let down that might occur next sunday, but you gotta say alright that performance looked half way decent.
Tyler looked like there might be something of interest, and Tamba finally got a SACK! I guess the guy can’t play anywhere other than the left side. So I guess Turk and Tamba will be rotating for each other. All we need now is a guy who can play the blind side of the D-Line.
Corners played like veterans, except for Surtain who just played like an old man. Patterson couldn’t do much with that pass in the last minute of the 4th qtr., and who did Patterson replace for that play? Yup, Old man Surtain, who hurt his love muscle and couldn’t play Coles. The refs on the field were especially bad, one blown call after another. Like the off. pass interference on Tony ? When Bowe made that nice catch by the sideline, and ended up taking us out of field goal range with the sack Bones took on the subsequent play. IMO, the Ref’s decided the game, not the players.
I was just waiting to see if Barth was gonna play himself into being replaced by another kicker for next week. Heck even the replacement punter did alright. A not bad.. from me this week.
by aPacificChief on Oct 27, 2008 6:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Turk
will be the starter at RDE until someone unseats him. He didn’t look too bad over there…if he knows he’s going to be the speed rusher, he could probably drop 10 pounds, and keep his strength. He’s already much quicker than last season
by PVChiefsfan on Oct 27, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turk
Definitely looked comfortable over on the right. Don’t know if he’s an ideal rusher for us from that side, but he’s definitely an improvement over Hali (and Hali looked a lot better in his old position).
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
if Turk develops some technique, he could pose a very difficult problem for Left Tackles. So many teams are using Linebacker sized guys at RDE, it might be a surprise if you’re a LT to face someone who, although he might not be as quick, is only 15 pounds lighter than you instead of 50.
by PVChiefsfan on Oct 27, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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