"I want to start off by saying I apologize to the Hunt Family and my family, first and foremost and to fans, my teammates, coaches and players. This is the first time in my life that I actually woke up and was kind of disgusted with myself and disgusted as far as the way my life and my career is headed right now."
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
Was it a written statement or a spoken one? And how much of this was drafted by him and how much by his agent?
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
+1
I think we’ll be fine without him. Not saying we are fine now, but eventually in the near future.
sincerity
we’ll see how sincere he is in the coming months.
Better than nothing
At least it is something. If it’s true and he gets help, great. Like nfamous209 said, we will see how sincere he is.
I agree
it was could to hear him express regret. We can only hope that he will get his act together. It usually takes loss for people to realize they have a problem. Unfortunately.
It is tough
to stand in front of the media and admit that your life is a mess. I give him credit for doing that and I really hope he gets his life turned around because he is a very talented athlete.
Herm looks beat.
Herm Edwards looks absolutely beat. He must know the ship is sinking.
by ryan_andersen98 on Oct 22, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts on LJ
It almost seems like LJ is Dr. Jekyll. Much of the time, he displays what I think is a sincere respect for and love of the great iconic running backs who have come before him. I think he truly wants to be remembered like that.
But then he goes to a nightclub, drinks, and turns into a total asshat.
What we often forget
is that most of these players are younger than us, and have more money than they know what to do with.
It’s not an excuse, but it should be viewed as a mitigating circumstance, at least until a pattern of ashattery is established (ala Pacman Jones or Chris Henry)
Apples Oranges
Pacman and Henry stupid drug/thug stuff.
LJ abusing women.
There is a distinct difference there as far as I am concerned. You don’t hurt women, children or animals.
there is something in common there
they are all pathways to separate yourself from whatever piles of $$$$ you’ve been able to get beforehand
And Was Involved In The Shooting Of Someone Else
PacMan’s definitely a case in point of athletes who cross the line.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Agreed
I don’t really care what an athlete does to himself off the field. If he wants to do coke or drink himself into oblivion, that’s really his choice…he’ll be the one paying for it. The line should be drawn at where they start inflicting their problems on other people (drunk driving, assault, theft, etc.). There’s no excuse for that.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
pacman
pacman had someone killed. that is a little bigger than spitting on a woman in my humble opinion. and to lump animals in with woman and children seems to be stretching it a little
To Each Their Own
I’m not a PETA person but people who abuse animals are total POS in my book.
I Think That's A Fair Assessment
I wouldn’t want to associate with someone who abused animals. But I also don’t think it’s a crime because I don’t believe that animals should have rights except as property (otherwise they begin undermining human rights).
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Really?
Wow. I disagree whole heartedly. I would go after someone who attacked my dog the same way I would go after someone who attacked my brother.
Someone Attacking Your Dog Would Actually Be A Crime
Because it’s your dog. He’s your property, not the attacker’s. I’d be the same way about any of the dogs I had growing up.
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So You Have A Right To Defend Your Animal
Same as you have a right to defend your property or your family members.
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America has a problem with this
Their fucking animals.
I have two dogs that I (dare I say) love. And it’s not natural to have these feelings to animals.
Ask your closest farmboy friend how many dogs he’s buried. It’ll put Fluffy into perspective.
Here's An Article
That kind of goes into what I’m saying.
http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=80
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Okay
It’s a unique arguement but I understand what you are saying. What about a stray dog? So someone could kill a stray dog and it would be considered okay?
Depends on your definition of okay
If by okay you mean do I think it should be treated the same as a crime against a person, then no. If you mean do I think it should be considered socially acceptable for someone to do that, my answer would also be no. If you mean do I think that it’s not really an issue for our criminal justice system to deal with unless the dog happens to belong to someone, then yes.
Doesn’t mean that if I see someone dousing a stray cat with lighter fluid I’m not going to step in and put a stop to it if I can…after all, it would be no more his cat than mine.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
The town I'm living in
Is full of strays. They roam in packs.
My plan was to round them all up, train them to be subservient, and just have them roam with me when I go out.
But I’ve found more pleasure in running them over with my Cadillac DeVille
“If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.” — Mark Twain
Unless Of Course He's Rabid
There are no moral absolutes in a complex world…although Mark Twain came as close as anyone to finding some. :)
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Rights
Are a human creation that we apply to each other in order to set boundaries that will allow a functional society…some are alienable, some inalienable, most are understood by people. Animals don’t have any comprehension of those rights, nor do they respect those rights in others, and they don’t have any meaningful ability to exercise those rights. And, let’s face it, animals are not our equals…they’re our food, or our slaves, or our pets. We don’t even respect a fundamental right to life for animals because most of the planet uses them for food, and that’s the basis of human rights.
Most of what people are talking about with animal “rights” aren’t rights, but protections, and the way animals are best given protection without undermining human rights is by treating them as property.
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The only thing left
Is Plant Rights.
Save the lettuce.
Uh ...
I’m not a PETA person but people who abuse animals are total POS in my book.
I think I oughta confess that, in the past two days, I’ve killed like a half-dozen fruit flies.
That's Okay
Fruit flies don’t have feelings. :)
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Correction
But then he goes to a nighclub and drinks, or plays behind anything but an all-world o-line and doesn’t win all the time, and he turns into a total petulant asshat.
There. I fixd.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see the points that have been posted and understand what you guys are saying
However, as men that live in a free, forgiving and just society, we need to accept his apology and move on hoping he will seek the help, his behavior has displayed, that is needed. We can forgive the man but not forget the actions. That is how we continue to live in the greatest nation in the world.
If LJ continues his behavior then God help his soul. But for now, we can move on and hope for the best.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Nope sorry
saying you’re sorry after roughing up a woman and possibly spitting on her is not enough. Not good enough, sir. My moral standards are pretty hard to violate, I’m a pretty lenient guy. But this is where I draw the line. He’s an embarrassment to the team, the organization, and the city of Kansas City.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
YooOO.. ...those without sin cast the first stone...
Admission that there is fault is the most difficult step to make. Especially admitting that he does need help. The man will be 29 years old in November, how many of us can say sincerely that we didn’t make mistakes that we ended up regretting later (don’t condone his actions, but I don’t condemn them either). Also, not many of us will ever know how a life so privileged could be, whether we want to admit it or not it in time that lifestyle will get to your head. It only takes maturity to see it, and some mature faster than others. When you spoil a child don’t get upset when he throws a tantrum for not getting what he wants, and that’s where LJ is right now in a bad place. After making bad choices that ultimately he will answer for.
I am still outraged by the incident, the man needs serious help dealing with his issues. As a parent sometimes the only way your children can learn are from their mistakes. You can limit their exposure to harmful events to a certain extent, and still doesn’t matter they do it anyways. It doesn’t matter how many times you warn them, because sometimes the only way to truly learn is to get hurt, its surprising how they remember to. I’ve committed my fair share of mistakes, I just haven’t commit one that I couldn’t get out of yet. The key word is yet, because you never know what your capable of, as a wise lady once said, "don’t play with fire because you will get burned." Words to live by.
*raises hand
um… I’ve never laid a hand on a woman in anger in my life. Is it cool if I stay?
Of course we’ve all made mistakes. But getting drunk and passing out in your neighbor’s lawn in their flower garden is completely different from what he’s been accused of.
I’m not willing to let him off because he’s able to recite something that was prepared for him.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
raises hand..
I to have never raised a hand against a women, but you can’t say without a doubt that you never may. Its just that his faults are condemned because its visible, while our faults are not. But we do have faults, we are human. I don’t think he hit her either, spit, but not hit.
by aPacificChief on Oct 22, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I feel pretty certain.
Given my wife’s domestic violence education history? Yeah, if I did, that would be the last time I ever did anything. I’d be deader than Tyler Thigpen’s self-confidence.
If a friend of mine conducted himself in this matter, I would condemn him the same. It takes a lot to get me to that point. This gets me to that point. Personally. I admire you all’s ability to forgive and move forward sincerely, and not out of a desire to see him raising his hands in the ROC symbol after a touchdown, but I personally can’t reach that same situation. I don’t expect them to be role models. I do expect them to be decent human beings and respectful representatives of the organization and the city.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
But getting drunk and passing out in your neighbor’s lawn in their flower garden
LoL…..the question is did you drive to get to your neighbors lawn?
nope, took a cab
ended up there. My other personal favorite was waking up in my friend’s walk-in closet, not being able to figure out where I was and hitting my head on the shelf and falling down again. He had no idea I was in there.
Neither did the girl he took home. That was awkward.
So I guess I’m guilty of shelf-abuse…?
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I woke up
under a desk, thought I was in jail!
Best Waking Up After Drinking Story I Ever Heard
Was a buddy of mine when we were in England who got completely ripped in a different town from where he lived. He woke up the next morning in a sheep field…apparently he’d hailed a cab to take him home, asked the the cabbie in mid-drive to stop by an ATM because he didn’t have any cash, so the cabbie threw him out.
Tied for second was the rugby buddy of mine who woke up naked on the parade field in the middle of our base while the morning shift were driving into work, and the other buddy of mine who woke up at 4 AM to find himself lying in a gutter in the middle of town.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I walked home from Olathe KS
I was taking backroads and woke up in some farmers front yard! That was a shock!
Best Story That Ever Happened To Me
Was I went out drinking with a large group of friends with about $200 in my wallet. When I woke up the next morning with no memory of what happened after 10PM, I had $250 in my wallet (and I hadn’t withdrawn any funds from my account and I’d been buying rounds all night).
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I Don't Have The Same Drinking Buddies
The dynamics are all different in Wichita than in England…plus there’s no place worth going that’s within walking distance from my house so I don’t really go out all that much or drink to excess.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
It's amazing
how none of these stories end with us shoving or spitting on a woman. Amazing, really.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Only Story Like That That I Was Involved In
Was one where I had to bail a soldier out of jail after the police had arrested him for slapping his girlfriend around. He and I hated each other before that, he didn’t move up in my good graces after I got woken up at 3AM to drive down to fetch him from the cops.
I did almost wind up in a fistfight with that same soldier once at a bar, but then only after he made the mistake of slapping me on the back when I was taking a leak (after groping my girlfriend earlier in the night) so I felt it was justified. :)
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Man...the largest amount of money was dealing with $250
LJ dropped $500 to just to listen to his list of songs.
by aPacificChief on Oct 22, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Bottom Line For Me
Sincerity and proof. I know many of these guys work hard and play hard. They are looked at and treated like rock stars, and look at most of them! LJ is just another guy who thought he was invinceable and could get away with anything. Not much different than a most of the prima donnas.
IF, he actually has learned a lesson, AND proves that he can turn his life around, then I would be happy to have him back as our #1 RB. Everyone makes mistakes, and I made many worse than he is now facing, but I turned my life around and once I actually realized what I could lose, became an entirely different person. The key is facing it and sincerely wanting to change. If he is there, then welcome back. If this is just a way to play the game, then adios! Who wants to “cast the first stone”? Not me.
by TXChiefan on Oct 22, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it's clear ...
Larry’s starting with the man in the mirror. He’s asking him to change his ways. And, no message could’ve been any clearer: If you want to make the world a better place, you’ve got to look at yourself and make that change.
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