Morning Update (Herm Goes Back to NY Edition)

by Chris Thorman on Oct 22, 2008 7:02 AM CDT in Article Updates Comment 13 comments

via NFL.com

"Favre, he is who he is, he’s a Hall of Fame quarterback." Sports are already filled with platitudes and our man Herm Edwards used one of my big pet peeve phrases yesterday in his press conference - he is who he is. There may be no other phrase with less meaning. But Jet fans are used to this. They probably even enjoy the Hermisms now that they've been away from them for so long.

Kent Babb - "Edwards looked tired at times during his weekly news conference Tuesday. He leaned on his elbows and spoke in a low voice, an uncharacteristic turn for the charismatic coach. The most exhausting part, perhaps: There are 10 weeks left."

Michael Ash - "I know I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: the Chiefs should invest in a quarterback guru during the offseason."

The Star-Ledger asked Herm about his final days as the coach of the New York Jets - "No one knows, and no one needs to know. There's always going to be rumors and speculation. Only two people know -- myself and Mr. Johnson. That's all that matters."

Both Bailey brothers on the Broncos will miss significant time with injuries.

Sarcasm in New Jersey - "Hey, does anybody have Vinny Testaverde's phone number?"

You know, I just don't feel bad about Rodney Harrison being done for the season. More at Bolts from the Blue.

Possible early release for Michael Vick. I laugh when I think about him playing for the Kansas City Chiefs but if Vick has to stay at a halfway house after getting out of prison, Arrowhead works for that too.

I'm so glad the Chiefs aren't in this conversation anymore.

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From Bank's Shots

Well nice to see that the LJ story is making the rounds, see Bank’s story note

The more I hear about Larry Johnson, the more I wonder why any woman in any Kansas City nightclub would go anywhere near the Chiefs lout of a running back.

If LJ avoids a suspension I will be shocked.

by tevans96 on Oct 22, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

With the Jets and now the Chiefs, how do you explain your terrible luck with quarterbacks?

I must have done something wrong. (Laughs.) What’s amazing to me is that I’ve been a head coach for eight seasons and only once has my starting quarterback played 16 games.

Well Herm, you either can attribute it to luck and the alignment of the stars or you can take the blame for picking the most glass-chinned QB’s in the NFL.

Pennington was ALWAYS hurt and banged up. Now Croyle comes in and instead of telling the kid to beef-up (while he was injured and during the offseason) as well as using the trainers and nutritionists at your disposal to put him on a regiment of high calorie intake and weights, he gets blown out of the league.

Seriously folks, he was 6’4" and 225 soaking wet. The funny thing is that Pennington is the same type of body-build.

Course, Herm’s amazed and honestly doesn’t get it.

by THE_TRUTH on Oct 22, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Croyle was lucky to weigh 200 soaking wet.

by Eric Allen on Oct 22, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why does it

Sound like Croyle is going to get another shot as the starter? He is a good QB, we just have to keep him on the field.

by Eric Allen on Oct 22, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, here's the way I see it

He will probably try to come back next year to reestablish himself. He does have one more year on the contract, right? The problem is, even excellent QB’s take more than a year to fully recover from a knee injury like that. Even if he gets cleared to play next year, he won’t be fully prepared to go – mentally or physically.

The Chiefs will (or should) draft another “Franchise QB prospect” in the draft. If that guy looks like he is going to give us a shot, we will go with him. If he turns out to be a turd (if Carl’s picking him, there’s good chance of that) then Croyle may get another shot.

by Ochophosphate on Oct 22, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His Contract's Done After This Year

It seems pretty unlikely that the Chiefs would re-sign him, although it wouldn’t surprise me if Peterson did anyway. Brodie’s his pick and Peterson a) hates to admit mistakes, and b) loves getting players on the cheap (which Croyle will be). That’s not to say that he’ll be any good (because you’re right about the long recovery time for QBs)…only that Peterson’s probably stupid enough to re-sign him.

Personally I was open to the possibility of the Chiefs bringing him back before I found out it was the ACL in addition to the MCL. Now, what’s the point, really?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 22, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then his contract is up in February by most standards?

If so, does the team have to keep him on while he is injured or can they just let him go and he pays for his own recovery? I was never clear about that. I know in the private sector we deal with workman’s comp, but I am not sure that is something the NFL is involved with.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Oct 22, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not Entirely Sure

Once his contract is up, it’s up I believe. I don’t know if an injury settlement is required (although I do believe the NFL or the Chiefs are on the hook for his recovery costs). Croyle’s been in the league for three years, so he’s eligible for the NFL pension plan, and some states allow NFL players to file for workman’s comp (California does for sure…not sure about Missouri). He’s on injured reserve now, which means he’ll get his contract for the rest of the year. After that I think he’s just done

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 22, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs