Chiefs Contact Daunte Culpepper; Connor Barth Coming Back?
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 5:31 AM CDT
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From the FanPosts, bumped up to be the morning post. -Chris
After the 34-10 debacle the Chiefs suffered at the hands of the Tennessee Titans, it appears that the Chiefs have decided to start reorganizing the roster...the most important news of which appears to be that the Kansas City Chiefs have contacted retired quarterback Daunte Culpepper (although a signing does not appear imminent) and will be bringing former Tampa QB Bruce Gradkowski in today for a workout.
The Chiefs talked with Culpepper on Monday, a day after they lost Brodie Croyle for the season because of torn knee ligaments. Croyle was injured in the Chiefs’ 34-10 loss to Tennessee at Arrowhead Stadium.
A decision on whether the Chiefs would sign Culpepper did not appear imminent. A deal might not come until next week if one is reached at all.
All I can say is "Thank God"...Huard's probably out for next week and I simply could not take any more of watching Tyler Thigpen fumble his way around out there on Sundays. That would be beyond hopeless. Culpepper is probably the best option at this point...at 31 he's possibly even good for a two or three year contract. Gradkowski is a guy who would serve us best in a one year deal...he's strictly a short-term stop gap and we don't want him playing much past this season (here are his numbers).
Also, it appears that the Nick Novak Experience (which resulted in the lowest field goal percentage in the NFL) will be coming to an abrupt end, as the Chiefs have apparently been in contact with the man who should have been our kicker all along...rookie Connor Barth (cue massive applause).
The Chiefs also appear to be losing patience with kicker Nick Novak, who missed two of his three field-goal attempts against the Titans. Novak is just six for 10 this season, the worst percentage in the league.
The Chiefs may sign rookie Connor Barth today to replace Novak. Barth was originally signed by the Chiefs in April and battled Novak throughout the offseason, training camp and the preseason.
Both players made two of three field-goal attempts in the preseason. The Chiefs went with Novak mainly because of his previous NFL experience.
It should be noted that Nick Novak's performance this year is directly in line with his performance throughout his career, his struggles were entirely predictable, and as such the choice of him over Feely and Barth should never have happened. Fortunately the Chiefs appear ready to correct that blatant mistake of Herm's.
Welcome home, Connor.
P.S. And just in case you thought that maybe Herm and Carl had grown some brains with all of these moves...it was also announced that Ingle Martin will still be backing up Tyler Thigpen this Sunday.
Why am I so down on this? Well, because here are Tyler Thigpen's stats from college and here are Ingle Martin's. Is it really that much of a mental strain to figure out which one's probably going to be the better passer? Herm's obviously just as much of an idiot as he ever was if he thinks it's Thigpen.
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Stay away from KC Culpepper
Croyle had two good legs to run on until Sunday. What’s going to happen to you behind the KC offensive line with only one? For the love of God Daunte… just say no thanks and walk away while you can still walk.
by fishbowl72 on Oct 21, 2008 1:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all I can say is I hope he can still throw the deep ball.
Every other play we should just let him toss it up their to either D-Bowe or Bradley. Both are big, fast and athletic. Even if we only hit two or three of them a game its better then just watching another three and out. It would create a little excitement and make the offense worth watching just to see if they can connect.
by ChiefsWolf24 on Oct 21, 2008 1:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post UC..
Glad to hear their finally coming to their senses. Don’t know how to react about the Culpepper move? I guess anything sounds better than the immobile Huard, and tat least we didn’t get shut out kid (Thigpen). But Culpepper? We are really are desperate if we do sign him, his character is something we don’t need to add to the roster, we already have a high priced woman beater on roster. Now were gonna add a Hugh Hefner wannabe to play QB for us?
Agree about the Barth/Novak experiment, always thought that Barth should of been given the opportunity since Novak had one in Dallas and blew that also.
And finally how did you get the conclusion about Ingle being better than Tyler, personally I don’t care for either, but Tyler’s numbers are better than Ingle’s (% completions, TD-INT ratio, overall passing yards, even the rushing numbers are higher for Thigpen)
Thigpen also has shown a vast improvement from his numbers in 2004 to his 2005. So I don’t get it, Tyler showed more than Ingle on paper much less on the practice field.
by aPacificChief on Oct 21, 2008 6:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guys Who Like Hookers I've Got No Problem With
Guys who beat women I do.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As For Culpepper
He’s infinitely better than Thigpen (so’s Gradkowski) and if he wants to come back I’m happier to see him running this offense than Thigpen (or even Huard). His arm’s not likely to be weaker than Huard’s.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
thigpen has shown improvement each year, with more playing time. ingle has thrown nearly as many INT’s in his final year as thigpen w/ fewer TD. thigpen’s final year he was more accurate then ingle. I think Thigpen just needs more time. I think if he gets a good leading qb so he can mentor he’ll be better and learn a few things. thats where culpepper comes in. he can mentor thigpen helping thigpen to become better. thats my honest opinion
by nfamous209 on Oct 21, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ingle vs. Tyler
Ingle – Tyler
61.3 > 53.3 – completion %
146.3 > 82.9 – passer rating
8.6 > 7.1 – yards/att
6501 < 6598 – passing yards
1.83 < 2.12 – TD/INT ratio
So Ingle has a better completion %, passer rating and yards per attempt in his college career. And he is stronger in those categories by a lot. Tyler has higher passing yards and a better TD/INT ratio, but we are only talking about 97 yards and the ratio problem is coachable (if we had a good QB coach).
For me Ingle has the better stats in the areas I am most concerned about for my QB and thus I would like to see what he can do.
by tevans96 on Oct 21, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Those are the numbers I’m talking about. And Thigpen’s senior year was so completely out of line with his previous three seasons and his pro career that I’m inclined to believe it was a fluke.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you to whichever deity
smacked someone in the head and got them to call Barth!
by PVChiefsfan on Oct 21, 2008 8:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
look on the bright side
the donkey’s got blasted last night.
by johnnyo_99 on Oct 21, 2008 8:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what might be more infuriating.
8-8 may take the AFC West in a year where we’ll be fortunate to win 4.
by KCScuba on Oct 21, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not all that mad about that
because whoever comes out of the west will get blasted in the 1st round. I’m ok with only winning 3 or 4 games this year, just as long as we show improvement sometime this season. I want Michael Oher in the draft next year.
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by JasonM on Oct 21, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced ...
I’m not convinced that the Donkeys aren’t actually worse than we are.
A couple of fluke plays / calls and they would’ve been 1-2 coming into Kansas City. If those plays and calls hadn’t broken their way, they’d be 2-5 and they look every bit as bad on Defense and almost as bad on Offense as the Chiefs do.
We might look like the bottom of the barrel in the AFC West, but I still think the Raiders and the Donkeys are going to fight us for that cellar spot all the way to the end of the season.
by JacinB on Oct 21, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so happy...
well just a little that we are doing SOMETHING. I’m really pleased and excited for Conner, he deserved the chance in the first place.
This news would have made me shed a tear of joy if one of the two, HE and CP, would have been shown the door along with Novak.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 21, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone needs to head over to Sportscenter.com
and vote on the next Coach to be fired
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportscenter/index
Herm’s tied for second right now.
We can win at this, I know we can!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 21, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dont see it.
if i find it i’ll so vote for herm
by nfamous209 on Oct 21, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
found
found it had to refresh and it popped up.
by nfamous209 on Oct 21, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Culpepper
I think Culpepper will be good for us in getting our offense rolling a bit and be able to score more then 12 pts per game (12 points is our average) pathetic. Culpepper can throw the deep ball. how many passes over 20 yards have we had all year? what 3? Culpepper would make something happen. I say sign Culpepper. Barth is a great idea.
by nfamous209 on Oct 21, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for Culpepper in KC!
He is a big dude at like 255 lbs, so he can take a hit.
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by JasonM on Oct 21, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see him now
when a D lineman breaks through the O Line, Daunte sets the ball down and blocks the guy, then picks it up and throws it down field.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 21, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want him. Don't need him.
Seriously. Culpepper?
Culpepper who has sucked in every game he’s been in that hasn’t involved Randy Moss? Culpepper who is so unable to move in the pocket that he’d struggle to do a five-step drop? Culpepper, who’d get blown up behind this offensive line and crumble quicker than Croyle did?
Let’s find someone who fits with the plan. Let’s find someone who has a little experience in the NFL, but is young enough to not just be a stop-gap for a season or two.
Let’s pick up Gradkowski and Tim Hasselbeck. Both fit the bill. And, if we go worst case scenario and neither of those guys can be long-term starters, we’ve got two guys that we can keep around as far better back-ups to a different quarterback than Croyle and Huard and Thigpen would be.
by JacinB on Oct 21, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better
than anyone we have now though. I can’t continue to watch bones throw into triple coverage all season!
by GHOST OF DT on Oct 21, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Hasselbeck?
you said Tim Hasselbeck and long term starter in the same sentence, you have a great first name, but I just lost all respect for you JacinB.
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by JasonM on Oct 21, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically ...
I didn’t.
I suggested that we give both Hasselbeck and Gradkowski a shot and, should they both fail (as I expect they would eventually, else they’d be starters somewhere else now), we’d keep them as potential ‘experienced back-ups’ to whomever we draft or sign in the off-season …
by JacinB on Oct 21, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to see Elizabeth Hasselbeck in KC.
by Vince D on Oct 21, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is Matt Hasselback
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 21, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
That’s Tim Hasselbeck. Matt’s the QB in Seattle.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I speak too quickly without thunking
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 21, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should have signed Chris Simms
When we had the chance. Typical Carl crap.
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Oct 21, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not Sold On Him Either
A) I don’t think he has any real interest in being here. B) He wasn’t that good before his injury two years ago and he hasn’t really played since. C) He’s demonstrated over his pro career that he’s injury-prone, which is a recipe for disaster behind this line.
Simms is just a bad fit all around.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Simms is the solution
But he is younger and there at least is a chance he is the solution. With Culpepper you are talking about a vet who is as old as Tony G. I thought we were rebuilding. I say start Ingle Martin – I want to see what he has.
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Oct 21, 2008 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Think He'd Last About Twice As Long As Croyle
I don’t think you can put him behind this line and expect him to stick around more than a game or two.
I’m really torn on this season…on the one hand it’s not desirable to let the offense just rot (which it would with Thigpen in charge), but on the other hand anyone we put back there is a serious injury risk and it would almost be wasting money to bring other people in.
This season just gets more and more depressing.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really is a joke
and that’s why I don’t understand these people who stick up for Harm or Cousin Carl.
OLine should have been priority 1 last offseason and beyond Albert nothing was done. One player doesn’t fix this line.
Herm Edwards - the new Art Shell.
by CBaller13 on Oct 21, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I was really irritated during the draft when rounds 3 and 4 passed and we passed on linemen for a backup safety and a backup tight end (although I think Cottam’s got some promise).
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Culpepper....
Another thing about Culpepper is his attitude is absolutely a liability for any locker room. It would be like adding another Larry Johnson, I assure you….Someone mentioned he could mentor the younger players, no, no no no no….He has said himself he has no interest in that role…Look at JaMarcus Russell, he had that great mentor for a season, aaaaaaaaand he is becoming a bust….
by woodman212 on Oct 21, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Knocks On Culpepper In The Locker Room
Were primarily that he was always going to management complaining about his contract. But then he was also his own agent, so he didn’t have anybody else to do that for him (which probably wasn’t a good career move, but oh well) so it was somewhat unavoidable. Plus, consider the source…Brad Childress was looking to squeeze Culpepper out anyway after the knee surgery because he fancied himself a “developer of QBs” and teams that are trying to do that often throw the old guy under the bus to alleviate the criticism they receive…which was probably a smart move by Childress because he’s shown in the last few years that scouting and developing young QBs is definitely not his strength.
Is Culpepper a model player? No, not really. But he’s also probably not as bad as he’s been made out to be.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense
At this point, we need anything to generate a spark and get the offense some life. I think Culpepper has a good arm and his field presense will bring new life to the offense. Sure, he isn’t a long term fix. Maybe one or two years, but that gives us the opportunity to win some games. We can’t entirely give up, and throwing Tyler or Ingle out there with our line, is just going to ruin them. I believe that Culpepper has been around enough to make the quick reads and better decisions. His overall value to the team, is to change the mentality from futility to possibility. If the O is performing, I’d bet the D will have more life as well.
I think the change in style and personality (on the field) may even be a good learning experience for Tyler and Ingle. I don’t think they have been able to see anything from Huard and Croyle.
by TXChiefan on Oct 21, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Croyle And Huard Aren't Who They're Supposed To Be Learning From
They’re supposed to be learning from their QB coach, but they’re stuck with Dick Curl, who hasn’t developed any QB of note in his career.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is what we need..
bringing in Culpepper may give these lineman a little more incentive to block. Some teams just need a spark of some kind. Granted that Culpepper might not have “it” anymore, he is a proven veteran that could possibly give us some direction for the remainder of the year.
I say sign him and hope for the best. At least it would give me a reason to look forward to the next home game!!!
by THS '94 on Oct 21, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Linemen Aren't Missing Blocks Because They Hate Croyle Or Huard
They’re missing blocks because they stink. Except for Albert, who’s just a rookie and looks to be our best lineman by year end.
Culpepper’s signing isn’t going to make these guys try harder…it’ll just mean that we have a real QB behind the line instead of playing pretend with Tyler Thigpen.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Culpepper gives them something else
Quite possibly he could bring a sense of patience to the younger linemen and help them develop while giving us a better chance at a win or two. Confidence building I say. This way we don’t sacrifice any other quarterbacks the rest of the season and we get to dump all of them but Ingle and look for help next year. At least being “IN” each game might also help the guys develop. (IN =having somewhat of a reasonable chance)
Now as far as the defense goes, that is another story.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Oct 21, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Younger Linemen Aren't The Problem
Albert’s the youngest on the line and he’s doing okay. The problem hasn’t been the young players, the problem is the bums like McIntosh, Jones and Niswanger (all of whom have been in the league at least three years), and their problem isn’t patience, it’s a lack of athleticism and skill.
Inspiration only goes so far in making somebody a better player…you still have to have ability and 3/5 of our line doesn’t have it.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEIN UC NEIN!!!!
WE HAVE TO RUN IT UP NISWANGERS BUTT!!!
by THE_TRUTH on Oct 21, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEIN...WE MUST THROW IT TO BOWE!!!
Good things happen when we throw it to Bowe. We will move the offensive if we throw it to Bowe…we will!!!
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Oct 21, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree UC
Our line is still not much better than it was last year. And with the #1 overall pick in the 2009 Draft the Kansas City Chiefs select …
by TheQ on Oct 21, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THATS IT!
I’m calling Elvis Grbac and asking him if he’s got some free time!
by Ferogain on Oct 21, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Elvis...
IS BACK!! Lol…
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Go Chiefs!
by bigknoxy on Oct 21, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say...
Give Culpepper a shot. He should have a few good years left in him and even if we do draft a QB it would give the young QB an opportunity to sit and learn for a while first.
KC Chiefs Football Blog
Go Chiefs!
by bigknoxy on Oct 21, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean ...
… like JaMarcus Russell did? Yeah, it would appear Daute Culpepper is a fantastic mentor.
by JacinB on Oct 21, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of change
I haven’t heard a word about coaching changes. I’d like to think that the players are quality enough to be solid professionals, but have crappy coaching. Case in point, Kawika Mitchell. Everyone trashed him as a bust, but once he got on another team, he seems to be working out quite well. Is it the coaching?
I wouldn’t be surprised if our main problems can be fixed on offense at Coaching for the O-Line and QB.
by TXChiefan on Oct 21, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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