The Chiefs Can't Stop Won't Stop the Run

by Chris Thorman on Oct 20, 2008 7:41 AM CDT in 2008 Campaign Comment 38 comments

Not much to say this morning. I'm still getting back in the groove but I was able to catch yesterday's "game" by the Kansas City Chiefs. Here are a couple of tidbits from yesterday.

Bye, bye Brodie

By far the biggest story to come out of yesterday's game was the knee injury of Brodie Croyle, which will sideline him for the rest of the year and presumably he will not start another NFL football game for the Kansas City Chiefs. Croyle has let down the team with injuries far too often in his short career and this one has to be the final straw.

See you later Brodie Croyle. I always had a sneaking suspicion you would never last and it turns out that suspicion was correct.

[Slaps head] Can't stop, won't stop the run

The Chiefs, in 2008, have given up 126, 300, 186, 94, 205 and 332 yards rushing this year. Forget the offensive line. This is our biggest problem. I don't even know what to say anymore about the Chiefs rush defense problems.

We may not win four games this year

Looking at the rest of the schedule, it's doubtful the 2008 Chiefs top or even tie last year's team in wins. The rest of the schedule isn't particularly daunting but the Chiefs have failed miserably in virtually every game this year. Even in the Bronco game we definitely got our share of breaks to get that win.

So...about the QB position...

So, are we going with the two-man QB attack of Damon Huard and Tyler Thigpen for the rest of the year? Judging by yesterday's performance, I don't even think Huard wants to be in the games. He needs some help on his acting jobs when a defensive player gets within three feet of him. It seems like he's faking those soccer injuries out there.

My Thigpen jersey is in the mail. All Hail Tyler Thigpen.

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Damon Huard

He’s taken enough of a beating and performed well enough that I’m never going to accuse him of tanking.

But if there’s a replacement for him I’d rather it was Ingle Martin, not Thigpen. Martin was at least a decent passer throughout college…Thigpen was terrible for most of his career. Honestly, I don’t see the harm in letting Martin play. But Thigpen shouldn’t ever be more than the third-stringer on this year’s team and he should be gone next year. He’ll never be a pro QB.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 7:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Huard should have been traded. The guy doesn’t want to go out there and have his life threatened every game for a lost cause. I still have a lot of respect for Huard because he knows his abilities and does the best he can. I bet he would be happy to be released.

Let Martin and Thigpen play the rest of the season. If we don’t draft Colt McCoy in the first round, I want to trade for Dixon or sign Vick.

Herm Edwards is a retard.

by CBaller13 on Oct 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

McCoy's A Junior

I doubt he’ll enter the draft this year…I think his biggest aspiration is to play for Texas and I think he’ll play all four years.

Vick should never put on a Chiefs uniform. And I’m not just talking about the dogs or the drugs (both of which are also disqualifiers) but the fact that he was an absolutely horrible passer during his time in the NFL. One of the worst passers in the league every year. And he’s not going to get better after being out of football for two years. He’s nothing but a name. As for Dixon, I doubt that Pittsburgh’s giving up on him this soon. Losman should be our biggest target this offseason and all we’ll have to pay for him is salary. But we need to get rid of Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards before we try to sign him.

Please, please, please let the Lions be stupid enough to dump Martin Mayhew after the year’s out.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't even know HOW to stop the run?

by stag on Oct 20, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and speaking of Thigpen jerseys

I actually saw a couple (2 people!) wearing #4 Tyler Thigpen KC jerseys at the game in Charlotte! I guess Tyler is from SC, so they could’ve been relatives or friends, but it was quite bizarre. I didn’t flag them down, since I had just had a conversation with another Chiefs fan practically in tears/on the verge of insanity and wasn’t looking for a repeat experience.

by stag on Oct 20, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"We may not win four games this year"

You’re kidding right? Seriously, do you think we can win another one this year? The only game I’ll be really interested to watch is the “Toilet Bowl”

Cincy vs. K.C. to answer the question who is the worse team in the NFL. My money says Cincy is better.

by THE_TRUTH on Oct 20, 2008 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Again I agree

I think we at best win two games. The Cincinatti game is in Cincy and I think that’s our best shot. We have one probowler on our team (Gonzalez) and no one else that is close to a probowler.

By the way – did anyone else notice that Tyler Thigpen is our best running back? It’s because he doesn’t need the line to run the ball because he can “pretend” he’s going to throw it.

Herm Edwards is a retard.

by CBaller13 on Oct 20, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

...and that Probowler

…that ouplayed the rest of the team doesn’t want to be here. What does that say?

by THE_TRUTH on Oct 20, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

First Chiefs game I've watched

in four weeks and it was predictably terrible.

These games suck to watch.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris Thorman on Oct 20, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Haha I envy you

I wish I hadnt watch the past 4 weeks. We are putrid. Herm needs to go NOW. Carl needs to go at the end of the year before any player personnel decision is made.

Herm Edwards is a retard.

by CBaller13 on Oct 20, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to disagree

getting rid of Herm is a personnel decision. Get rid of both of them the same day, the same cab and let the HOF retired vets alongside Tony Gonzalez carry all their stuff our of Arrowhead!

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Oct 20, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

faith

seems i’m the only one that has faith in thigpen. some more playing/starting time and i think he’ll be good enough to win games.

by nfamous209 on Oct 20, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There's nothing wrong in having faith

What’s best about AP is we won’t pile on you for having faith in Thigpen. We may just disagree :)

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Oct 20, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

so we agree to disagree, works for me :D

by nfamous209 on Oct 20, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have a little, too.

But only a little. Let the kidhave some reps in games, give him some time to develop, and see where he’s at at the end of the season. What’s it going to hurt at this point? We need to know about him just like we needed to know about Brodie.

Brodie’s done. Huard had a pretty big wrap on his thumb on his throwing hand when Thiggy came in this week, so he may be out for the next game anyway. Let Thiggy play. If he can survive more than a few snaps behind this line, he’s already a couple steps ahead of Brodie.

by JacinB on Oct 20, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forget Thiggy

He was horrible in college, he’s been horrible in the pros. Put in Ingle Martin…he was at least good in college (playing at the same level of football as Thigpen).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thigpen

Something is wrong with his release because every other ball he throws sails on him. At one point yesterday he over threw Cottam who is 6’7", that is a hard man to throw over his head. I like Thigpen, there are parts of his game that are really good and electrifing but I have always maintained that you can NOT coach accuracy and that is the main thing he is missing.

Now that Croyle is not an option we need to look under every rock and find some QBs. This season is shot so we might as well try them out for next year. We should be signing another QB this week to add to the team then give them a shot, whoever plays the best in practice gets to start.

by tevans96 on Oct 20, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ingle Martin

Any QB we sign will need at least a week or two to get up to speed on the offense. If Huard can’t play next week Martin should get the start. We’ve seen what Thigpen’s capable of…missing a lot of throws. It’s time to see what Martin can produce.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thigpen

also has some velocity on the ball. There’s something wrong with his release, it’s that he’s young and amped and freaked out to be out there no to mention the 300 pound linemen coming at him undeterred by our o-line.

Thigpen made more plays yesterday than any other Chief. It’s a fact. He’s not the best option but he’s what we’ve got and I see some promise.

I’m all for giving Ingle Martin a run. Why not?

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 20, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Not Indeed

This garbage heap isn’t going to get any prettier. Although I think Huard needs to be starting when he’s healthy again unless one of the other two shows they can be competent at the job…but they shouldn’t rush Huard back until they’re sure he’s healthy enough to play (that thumb looked like he’ll miss a couple of weeks at least).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you cannot be serious

UC, Thigpen outplayed Damon yesterday. He just did. Garbage time, whatever. I know you hate the kid. But Damon has been beyond pathetic in his starts outside of the Denver game against what is probably the worst pass defense in the league. Combine that with the fact that our O-line is actually regressing and we need someone with legs and there is no longer any reason for Damon Huard to be anywhere near that field. I’d really prefer if we just cut him.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 20, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't Hate Thigpen

But he’s a guy who hasn’t even demonstrated that he can complete 50% of his passes in a game. Huard can. Sorry, but there’s no case to demonstrate Thigpen belongs out there. He’s not a QB, he’s just a guy with a strong, inaccurate arm who can run the ball and we’re not running a wishbone offense here…yet.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's no case for Huard

he keeps getting injured anyway. That’s our reason for dumping Brodie, so why not Damon? He can’t create ANYTHING. Let me put it this way. I’ll take the guy who creates an opportunity to make a play and then fails to make it over the guy who is incapable of doing anything but the most safe, conservative option, which is usually leaving tony hanging out to dry over the middle.

Tell me the pass to Bowe on the sideline yesterday wasn’t pretty. Huard’s pass to Tony was a duck, like all of his ducks over 10 yards. There’s no reason for Huard to be out there. There’s two reasons for Tyler to be out there. He has velocity and can run. He’s a worse qb than Damon. I’ll even give you that. But damn it, we need some hope around here.

And let’s be honest, there’s nothing we can realistically expect this team to do that would give you hope. I don’t blame you for the caustic view, but you’re not looking for anything positive. And that’s understandable, given how this season has gone. But I need something.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 20, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For Every Pass To Bowe

There are two or three overthrows to Cottam or blown screen passes or passes that almost end up in the stands.

Put me out there and I might be able to complete 1 out of 3 pass attempts. Doesn’t make me an NFL QB because I wouldn’t be able to do it consistently.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yet

you’d probably have more velocity on passes than Huard.

That’s actually the new rationale I have for keeping his old useless ass on the bench. His passes die in midair which increase the likelihood of a receiver getting injured. It may be on target, but I’d rather him overthrow bowe by ten feet than drift one over the middle which forces bowe to stop jump and then get dropped like third period french.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 20, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Valid Point

But the receivers still have to have faith that the ball will get to them at least half the time. They won’t have that with Thigpen.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus

Putting Thigpen in to start will essentially signal to the players that the coaching staff is giving up all hope of trying to win any more games this year. And after that, the players will quit.

Things are bad with Huard as QB…you’ll get no argument from me there. They’ll be worse with Thigpen.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 20, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As far as run defense goes

I feel like a lot of the damage is being done in the second half. The defense can only try and fight against the ineptitude of the offense for so long, and they’re not very good to begin with.

The tackling angles were something the announcers talked a lot about yesterday. I think DJ is trying too hard to make a big play and get a tackle for loss and it’s resulting in him losing his gap. Meanwhile, Pat Williams isn’t able to cover space and Edwards just doesn’t have the speed anymore. Page is trying to do too much as well and Pollard, well Pollard has never taken very good angles.

Our D-Line is unable to create any pressure. A good down for them, including Dorsey, is just holding their ground. We look weak and confused.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 20, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Free Agents...How about Chris Simms

Why dont we see what is available out there to see if we get lucky. Lets see how players like Chris Simms would do. Heck we are still 30 Million under the Cap. We are down to 1 and half quarterbacks on our roster. We need to get someone just to get a feel for things.

by Superkyle75 on Oct 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it was Simms who was wearing a Titan jersey yeterday that was on their sidelines

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Oct 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your intuition and observation serve you well

…it was Chris Simms.

by THE_TRUTH on Oct 20, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually 1 3/4

I give Martin 1-for not having played
Damon 1/2 -for being hurt
Thigpin 1/4 -for stupid comments and overthrowing a 6’7" player and launching the ball into the second row

Total = 1 3/4

by THE_TRUTH on Oct 20, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

At least the weather was nice and Gonzo

It was a beautiful day for football yesterday except the Chiefs (aside from Gonzo) dont know how to play. There is too much to bitch about so i wont even begin but gotta love Tonys effort. He’s still a pro bowler on the worst team in football.

I also met the Nigerian nightmare at Kellys in westport Sat. night. he was more than gracious, what a nice guy. Wish he could have an intervention with L. Johnson.

by huskerchief on Oct 20, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe

i believe in Thigpen. ordering his jersey today, i wonder if i can trade my johnson jersey for a thigpen jersey

by nfamous209 on Oct 20, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have Johnson and a Croyle Jersey

WTF do I do with those now? Thirty years form now I’ll dig the Croyle jersey out and probably wonder who the hell he is…

…then this season will come flooding back and I’ll pass out.

by AngryJesus on Oct 20, 2008 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Those are two jerseys I didn't buy.

I’ve got a Holmes and a Gonzalez hanging in the closet, but I’ve never been a big fan of L.J.‘s (and his recent actions have been proving me right about him) and I just hadn’t gotten around to getting a Croyle (and now it looks like I won’t have to) …

by JacinB on Oct 21, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs