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NFL Trade Deadline Roundup

Tiny by primetime 07 on in Campaign 2008

  • The big news for us, of course, is that Tony Gonzalez is still in Kansas City.  The asking price was apparently set at a 2nd and 5th round pick for the 32 year old tight end.
  • Jerry Jones did what he does best and created a splash by acquiring WR Roy Williams from the Lions for a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick.  The two sides have set the parameters of a contract extension believed to be in the 5-year range (and presumably valued in the neighborhood of Larry Fitzgerald's $10 million per year deal).  An interesting twist to this story (of course there's a twist, it's the Cowboys), if Pacman Jones hadn't been suspended minutes before the Cowboys made their deal, it would have been voided because his suspension means the Cowboys will not have to send the Titans a 6th round pick instead Tennessee will send the Cowboys a 5th (as stipulated in the trade if Pacman was suspended again when it went down).
  • The Indianapolis Colts acquired a defensive tackle in John McCargo who was a first round pick just three years ago (and the Bills even traded back into the 1st round to nab him).
  • Per the other AP, the Washington Redskins signed Shaun Alexander to a contract.

 

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Now that Tony Gonzalez is going to stay in Kansas City for the remainder of the 2008 season, I feel....
Pissed off. He won't be around when we're good so why not get at least some compensation for him now?
120 votes
Happy. After all, he is our franchise player and belongs in KC.
176 votes

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That Was A Bad Trade For The Cowboys

But a great trade for the Lions and for me.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Detroit’s next GM will not be blowing those first round picks on a wide receiver.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 5:59 PM CDT   0 recs

That was an awful trade

Just awful. WR is usually one of the less impact players on the team. What are the chances Roy’s production will be that much higher than Patrick Crayton’s?

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

Roy Williams has proven he is worth that kind of compensation in exactly one season. I know this is a futures market but you can only predict future success on past success and Williams has played 16 games one time in his career.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My KSK response:

Adam Pacman Jones had not broken any "team rules."

Other "team rules:"

No stabbing your teammate in the neck with scissors unless there is at least 2 or fewer barbershop seats available.

Confine open cocaine use to gametime and non-gametime hours.

DO NOT at anytime consider the touching the Double-J’s holster.

Should Deon come around, hook a brother up.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 15, 2008 1:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fa Sheezy

Pacman down wit it.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 1:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think It Will Be A Lot Higher

Roy Williams is a very, very talented receiver…easily capable of being a number one. Crayton’s solid, but average.

The missed games are troublesome, but not overly so. Defenses also won’t be keying up on him all game like they did most of his time in Detroit.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The giants offered a fourth for TG

I think we should have taken it.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 6:02 PM CDT   0 recs

Bah

2nd and 5th rounder were about right. I doubt anyone was interested in giving that, but that’s what he was worth to us. Any less and we’d be making ourselves worse off.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would have been fine with a 2nd rounder

Or even a 3rd along with a later round pick.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 6:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think TG

and a seventh for their second, and we would not be having this conversation.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm Fine With How It Worked Out

Like I said, he wasn’t worth a 2nd rounder to other teams, but I think for the duration of his contract (if he chooses to finish it out) he’ll be worth that (or more) to us.

Sometimes the smartest trade is the one you don’t make.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am glad he is

Here, but hate the situation he is in. Yes he did sign yhe contract, but honestly did anyone think this team would be completely horrible? I am sure TG thought this team would be at least competitive.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rarely

Are teams in the first year of rebuilding competitive.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You Mean

Like the Falcons?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And I say rarely

Because how often do you get a rookie like Matt Ryan performing like he is?

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know his #s aren't at the top

But he’s not losing games for them which is all you can ask for in a rookie QB. In fact, he made the throw that won them the game last week.

Michael Turner has helped too.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's More Than Just That

They upgraded a lot over the season…shuffled a lot of their top players out like we did (several of them playing at a higher level than the guys we got rid of) and yet they’ve got a better team.

The difference, in my opinion, is that when they got rid of their players, they replaced them with guys like Michael Turner, Jason Elam, Kindal Moorehead. Whereas when we brought in free agents to replace our departed players we took guys that bad teams dumped (DeMorrio Williams, Wade Smith, Adrian Jones). It’s one thing to flush your scrubs and replace them with more talented young players. It’s another thing to flush your scrubs and replace them with scrubs who just happen to be young.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And

I don’t think you can overstate just how important good coaching is. Mike Solari ran a bad, predictable offense for Herm Edwards last year so we brought in Chan Gailey…to run another bad, predictable offense for Herm Edwards. The Falcons brought in Mike Mularkey to run a Mike Mularkey style offense for Mike Smith. Or look at the Bills…Jauron’s had terrible offenses in his head coaching career so he brings in Turk Schoenert to run a Sam Wyche-style offense. Herm on the other hand, brings in offensive coordinators to run the same style offense he’s failed with before.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

First year????????

C’mon UCrawford, I hold you to higher standard than that.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 14, 2008 7:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

Falcons scrapped the core of their lineup and brought in a new coaching staff. If that’s not rebuilding, nothing is.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chiefs records vs. Falcons

03: Chiefs 13-3 Falcons: 5-11
04: Chiefs 7-9 Falcons: 11-5 (NFC South Champions)
05: Chiefs 10-6 Falcons: 8-8
(Vermeil to Herm transition [same offense mantra])
06: Chiefs 9-7 (Back into playoffs) Falcons: 7-9
07: Chiefs 4-12 Falcons: 4-12 (Michael Vick go bye-bye)

Which team has been rebuilding for more than 1 year?

C’mon?

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 14, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Chiefs

Because unlike the Chiefs the Falcons actually got rid of last year’s head coach and GM (and starting RB, and starting TE, and starting CB, and starting LT, and starting LB). We’ve had the same one in place for 19 years. And he’s been “rebuilding” since our last playoff win14 years ago..

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see your point...

The Falcons have had a seemingly successful rebuilding year (We would say among several [rebuilding, not successful necessarily]) recently.

But you can’t earnestly claim that the Vermeil years were rebuilding years sir?

{your counter argument is that Herm should have started rebuilding in ‘06 rather than sticking with this "it’s the same offense" BS, which I agree with, but reinforces my point that this is year numero uno of Chiefs’ rebuilding where the Falcons have clearly been rebuilding, suffering, and changing the recipe for almost a decade and have finally got it right (hopefully for them)}.

I think the kill point is that I’d rather have been a Chiefs’ fan for the past 10 years than a Falcons’ fan. The next ten? Well I let you hit one out of the park.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 14, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd rather have been a Chief's fan the last decade as well

And in the future, I think we’ll turn this thing around quicker than they ever imagined.

by AngryJesus on Oct 14, 2008 8:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With this coach?

Falcons went thru a couple of coaches to get it right.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm, yes

To the same degree that you think it won’t happen.

by AngryJesus on Oct 14, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

::checks watch::

I can’t read these things. I’m told it has

by AngryJesus on Oct 14, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He-He!

Just wondering Sundays have turned into groundhog day! Don’t drive angry!

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rebuilding

My point is that it’s not really rebuilding when the same guy is in charge who made the team bad in the first place…especially when he wasn’t building teams that were that good to begin with.

The Vermeil years were rebuilding years…from the Gunther Cunningham years, which were rebuilding from the end of the Marty Schottenheimer years. Same as Herm Edwards is “rebuilding” from Vermeil.

If you look at the pattern, each coach in progression…Marty (9 winning seasons out of 10), Cunningham (1 out of 2), Vermeil (2 out of 5), Edwards (1 out of 3)…has enjoyed less success than the coach before him with the same person in charge. So the Chiefs have been in a constant state of rebuilding since Marty Schottenheimer left…it’s just that the GM tries to distract everyone from the fact that the rebuilding effort’s been failing for over a decade by changing coaches periodically and claiming that each one is really different, when the problem is that the same guy’s running the program and he’s hoping that nobody notices that his ideas on how to build a winning football team are being left further and further behind by the rest of the NFL (regardless of who the coach is). It’s slapping on a fresh coat of paint to hide the rot.

Atlanta finally got off that bandwagon and canned the guys in charge and started fresh. The Chiefs never have…that’s why they’ve been rebuilding for much longer than the Falcons have.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 10:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Clarification

My point is that it’s not really a new rebuilding when the same guy is in charge who made the team bad in the first place…especially when he wasn’t building teams that were that good to begin with

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 10:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"I'm Angry Jesus...

…and I have nothing to add but trolling and pictures I’ve Googled off the Net."

:)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 11:18 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Hey...

He did take the time to google a picture that accurately expressed his feelings. Sure, the PARADE is biased here, but that a lot more impressive than throwing around “idiot” or typical trolling.

And to be fair, WE ARE OBSEQUIOUS SELF INDULGENT A-HOLES, and this thread was set off by a full-throated (no homo, no homophobic) endorsement of your above average NFL commentary.

To reiterate:

Correct: The Falcons’ rebuilding effort over the past year has yielded better results than the Chiefs’ effort.

False: The Chiefs have openly proclaimed to be “rebuilding” for as long as the Falcons have been.

New Insight: picks like Dorsey and Albert will serve the KC organization longer and better than Matt Ryan’s admirable but unsubstantiated promise.

That said, as a Brodie apologist, would I trade Croyle for Ryan? In a heartbeat.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 15, 2008 12:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+10

to all of these. Affirmed, Parade. Affirmed.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 1:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair point

I agree with you in “theory” but there’s a big difference between when a team openly throws around the term “rebuilding” and when they should be rebuilding.

The state of our offensive line is the biggest sin of the Chiefs organization IMO.

My previous 10 comparison stands regarding the Falcons.

Another point is that HONESTLY I feel better about the Chiefs tanking a gutting out a rebuilding effort in a crazy year, than having a Falcons team that has capitalized on that crazy year.

I’ll remind Falcons’ lovers they pooped the bed in their two divisional games and their Hail the Conquering heros of 4-2 edged out Aaron Rodgers (impressive) chicago (elampressive) US (golf clap) and Detroit (polite smile).

So I’m hanging tight on the Atlanta is a new AFC south power house call.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 15, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't Petrino bail out on them?

Emmitt Thomas was an Interim coach. The Falcons are a mess who got lucky with Ryan.

by aPacificChief on Oct 15, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's Not Just Ryan

It was also a few smart free agent signings of young, talented players for critical positions, which is exactly what Carl and Herm claimed we were trying to do (but didn’t).

Both teams are rebuilding, but only one is actually making progress.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2008 8:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Have to agree with that...

We’ll have to see what Clark has to say about it……and it might be sooner than we think.

by aPacificChief on Oct 15, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Sincerely Hope So

I’m actually fine with giving Herm Edwards the rest of the year (well, not so much fine, but I could live with it) because there’s not a whole lot we can do to fix the on-field situation this season. But Carl’s got to go now…we need a real GM running this club, and it’s not Peterson or his proxy Kuharich.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't think Clark is that impulsive that

he would fire Carl in the middle of the season. The guy stikes me as more methodical, probably wait til the end of the season to start choppin’.
With the statements that Carl has made about stepping aside from the football aspect, and concentrating on the business aspect tells me that he’s starting to feel the heat like never before.

by aPacificChief on Oct 16, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And to answer what you're about to say

Give Atlanta and Miami the rest of the season first.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of Course

In the two matchups they’ve played us, they’ve both destroyed us. Granted, the Dolphins matchup was preseason, but that Falcons game we were out of it by halftime. Even if the Falcons end up with about the same record as last year I’d say they demonstrated decisively that they’re far ahead of us. And the Dolphins are demonstrating a lot more potential than we are right now. They badly beat the Patriots team we barely lost to.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe its more proof

How crucial a QB is then.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See My Post Above

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think This Team Could Be Competitive

Even next year. Just not with the current coach.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

PT you have

To admit with a different offensive scheme/philosiphy, we are more competitive than we are now. A coach with some iagination can get more out of these players.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:22 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't get the McCargo trade

he must have been a bust to not have been starting before Shroud showed up. I always assumed he was talented since he was drafted 1st round but I haven’t watched him play. Perhaps the Ryan Sims scenario in that he played around talented defense in college which improved his draft stock

What a dumb, dumb trade by the Cowboys. How could have the Lions refused?

The Tony saga isn’t over and I don’t think he’s the type to be a malcontent but I get the vibe homeboy is pissed off. He’s definitely gone in the offseason and the question is now what will we get for him then? A 3rd rounder still or will teams be more willing to let go of their 2nd & 5th picks in the offseason? He’s vital to our offensive scheme so if we keep him for the rest of the year and move him before the draft then well played by the front office

My Dad is a renounced Chiefs fan who called up just to tell me about Herm’s press conference. I haven’t watched it yet but he said he thinks Herm is pissed at Tony for making this an issue. Anyone see this?

by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 14, 2008 10:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Re: McCargo Trade

I thought we were bad at drafting, but at least majority of our 1st round picks remain w/ the team (unlike Buffalo)

by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 14, 2008 10:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tony "Sisyphus" Gonzalez

With many apologies to Titian I present Tony’s eternal struggle.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Oct 14, 2008 10:18 PM CDT   0 recs

The Rock

Should be shaped like Carl Peterson.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 10:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Or

You could find a picture of Tony G. from “The Rime of the Ancient Mariner” with the albatross with Carl’s head hanging around Tony’s neck. That would symbolize that his curse would only be lifted once the albatross drops off.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a feeling

You’ve been thinking about that for a while :)

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 10:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

It just popped into my head. Plus there’s been this classic literature vibe floating around the site the last few days. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny

I’m taking a class on ancient Greek and showed my professor DJ’s post…she was pretty impressed.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 11:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As Well She Should Be

It was a very good post. I suspect DJ put a lot of time and effort into it.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 11:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So this is how it ends.

One of the greatest players we’ve ever had, we keep because we couldn’t get higher pick that we would inevitably waste on another D-Lineman that doesn’t make an impact. Shannon Sharpe gets to hold over him forever that he never got a ring. The ultimate proof of the inconsequentiality of this franchise over the last 40 years.

Congrats, we managed to not get ripped off by getting nothing in return for a player that won’t help us down the road and who desperately deserved better from this organization. Everyone gets to feel comfy knowing we didn’t let Tony go for less than he deserved.

We just drug him down to the level of the rest of the organization.

I need a drink.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 12:38 AM CDT   0 recs

IF and this is an "if" the size of the Soviet Union

The Chiefs draft two years of O-Linemen studs and Linebackers. (Hell, we could keep Brodie if he lives or bring on the Ingle if these guys all block like Albert).

AND Tony doesn’t find the lottery of off-season options appealing enough (ie: whoever losed the superbowl, green bay, NYG’s who will undoubtedly implode).

Then the 2011 season may make you eat your words sir.

Put it this way, Jared Allen ain’t winnin any Super Bowl’s soon.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 15, 2008 1:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2011 I'm Hoping For 6 Wins

I’m being realistic. With Herm, without Herm,regardless. 6 wins would be a great turnaround.

I’m still not sold on drafting linemen. Their development takes too long and you need other good ones surrounding them to develop them. Signing Alan Faneca would have done wonders this year. Even one more slightly-sub-Pro-Bowl lineman would make a huge impact. But that’s just what I see from here. I understand everyone else thinks drafting linemen is the way to go.

I wonder if he’ll just resign himself to where he’s at. He may just break from that competitive spirit. It happens to a lot of guys when they realize they’re never going to get the ring.

I hope it does, Parade, I hope it does.

Yeah, but that’s because Jared Allen is a juicebag and God hates juicebags.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 1:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Signing another pro-bowl O-line free agent

COUGH oh that, that would have been COUGH a great idea, but really, who would have such foresight and brilliance? Who I ask you?

I say on D you can do it, I think the Gunther haters are idiots (and Nap Harris can frankly go get stuck), but we NEED linebackers, studs, killers.

On O-line we still have Waters, I actually am still a Rudy fan (shocking myself), but man a big boy 2nd round RT and a 3rd or 4th ginormous RG for LJ would be HUGE. I’m talking Chiefs back in business.

We want to be the late 90’s Steelers now, that’s very unsexy, but an awesome position to want to be in.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 15, 2008 1:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's hold off

on whether LJ is ever going to be the one to put us back in business. Let’s see him have a great game back to back since two years ago first. That is if he can manage not to get suspended during it.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 1:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's shed some light in another area as well...

Chief fans, I most certainly enjoy exploring the endless possibilities of players, coaches, and strategies that will turn this dark season into a less painless season. But, I submit to you that we should also focus some of our distain of this season upon the Kansas City Chief organization itself.

In 2003, this organization was the 19th most profitable franchise in the NFL with a net worth of $601 million. Our won/loss record that year was 12-4. I believe that many fans would find it interesting that in 2007 this organization was the 13th most profitable franchise in the NFL with a net worth of $960 million. Our won/loss record last year was 4-12. As an added note, that was a 7% increase in net worth as compared to 2006 9-7 playoff season. I was amazed to learn that gate receipts, including club box seats, were $46 million in 2007. The capacity of Arrowhead stadium is 79,451 with an average ticket price of $67. In 2007, that average attendance was over 68,000 fans.

When we say organization, let us be realistic and say Clark Hunt and Carl Peterson. These two gentlemen have invoked an age old sports business technique know has "Rebuilding". This technique is only profitable in markets where a strong fan base exists. I offer the Pittsburg Pirates as an example of the opposite of this technique. This is most certainly a young (in NFL experience) team, but this is not a young talented team. We most certainly can question the level of talent in the "experienced" coaching staff. This team was assembled not to be a contending team with a successful won/loss record, but merely to be a profitable team.

Some would say they are simply making room for future higher salary players to improve the talent level of this team. I answer that with this simple question: When was the last appearance by this organization in the Super Bowl?

I have no doubt that when the 2008 numbers are compiled, Clark Hunt and Carl Peterson will have realized and achieved their goal for this season. Unfortunately, it will not equate in our goal of seeing a successful contending team in 2008.

by TouchdownKansasCity on Oct 15, 2008 1:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Any Chance

That Primetime can post this as a front page article? I think it merits attention.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2008 5:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs