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Q: Speaking of distractions, is the team taking an approach that the alleged off the field problem with Larry Johnson is a distraction?

EDWARDS: "That is a distraction. That’s another one. That’s an in-house situation. We’re looking at it and it’s something that will be dealt with."

Q: But Larry will play this week right?

EDWARDS: "It’s a distraction. You deal with distractions the way you deal with them. It’s where it’s at."

Herm Edwards Q&A | 10-14

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Hmm...

Notice how he didn’t answer that last question. I wonder if LJ didn’t disclose this to the team.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 5:26 PM CDT   0 recs

Which

Would be a violation of the personal conduct policy.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Think Herms waiting to see

if the league gets involved or not. He doesn’t want to punish him this weekend and then find out the team is going to suspend him next week.

Not saying he will miss a game at all, but I think its very important to send a message to this young team that no matter who you are, this kind of thing is not going to fly.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 5:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are right

and Tony’s fiasco the past few weeks essentially forces Herm’s hand to stop the “example” being set by our few vets.

We have too many impressionable young players to allow the stars of our team to act they way they have (at least publicly).

by DThomasReigns on Oct 14, 2008 5:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Tony's fiasco"

Privately asking for a trade, confirming it when approached by the press,and maintaining that he’ll play hard regardless and coming into practice playing full speed is not a fiasco. It’s being professional and reasonable about the situation.

That said, if Herm lays the hammer down on LJ, he wins about a hundred points with me.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 12:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Q: Have you talked to Carl about it and what the sticking points were and why it did or did not happen?

EDWARDS: "No. I’ve been watching Tennessee. I’ve got enough problems trying to figure out how to make a first down against Tennessee on offense."

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 5:30 PM CDT   0 recs

"I've got a really good idea, though!

Draw on 3rd and 12!"

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 12:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha

I love Herm interviews. He’s like a grumpy old lady.

Herm Edwards is a retard.

by CBaller13 on Oct 14, 2008 5:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Herm have you talked to Tony

To see why he feels he wants to leave. No. Herm does this say anything about you as a coach, that he wants to leave. No says nothing about me at all.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 5:36 PM CDT   0 recs

I know its impossible for you to grasp

But maybe its the truth?

Tony has never criticized Herm.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Tony likes Herm as a guy

But realizes he’s a terrible coach. It’s not like we have a coach who is a bad coach and a bad guy. I think Herm is a good guy. But it’s his JOB to win games and he isn’t good at that.

Herm Edwards is a retard.

by CBaller13 on Oct 14, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

He seems likeable enough as a person, but generally seems clueless about just how much he screws up as a coach.

It’s the nice guys who can’t do their jobs who kill you.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No not publicly

I would imagine Tony knows this team will never contend with Herm as a head coach.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 5:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think That's About Right

I think Gonzalez would be one of the last guys in the NFL to throw his coach under the bus.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 5:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

That is why he went to Carl to be traded. I think Herm is also pissed at TG for questioning him after a win.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 5:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ya

but I also think Tony is just frustrated in general. The guy gives all he has and hasn’t ever seen the AFC Championship and now realizes he won’t ever see the Playoffs again unless he leaves. That does suck for a Hall of Fame player.

Herm Edwards is a retard.

by CBaller13 on Oct 14, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We will see

How this really plays out, when we see how many balls come TG’s way the rest of the season.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Don't Think Herm Will Be That Petty

He still needs Tony Gonzalez as much as ever. If he snubs Gonzalez over a grudge, he might as well put his house on the market right now because Gonzalez is one of the few tools there that can help him keep his job.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would hope not

But I would not hold my breath on that thought. That dude is stubborn to the detriment of the team, hello Sacintosh.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 6:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm confused

What are you saying? Herm will tell the QBs not to throw TGs way?

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 6:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You hold that opinion because of your opinion of Herm

Not everyone agrees with you clearly. None of the players that have left the Chiefs have ever said anything bad about Herm as a coach and there have been plenty of opportunities.

So until we hear one of them say something, its all in your imaginations.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And not everyone

Agrees with you either DJ. It is just a thought I had. He tries to steer any blame from this situation away from himself.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This Is True

Whenever the team loses, it’s “the players have to play”…regardless of whether or not the right players were on the field, or the gameplan was flawed, or the coach screwed up the clock management, etc, etc, etc,….

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is Bill Bellichick a worse coach than he was last year

when the Patriots went 16-0? Clearly not. He is though, having to play with inferior players in a few places, most notably QB.

It is obvious to objective observers that the quality of players on the field has a whole lot to do with the teams success or failure.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 7:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A coach coming

up with more than running LJ up the middle to open every series puts players, even flawed players in a better position. Herm does not put the players in the best position to succeed.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not accurate

The Chiefs have run the ball 9 more times than passing on 1st down. Passed the ball 25 times more than rushing on 2nd down. Passed the ball 41 times more than rushing on 3rd down.

48 of our 152 total rushing plays have gone up the gut.

Perception is different than reality.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That last line

I didn’t mean for that to come off wrong. I’m just saying that we don’t run up the gut every play. We run it to the right and get slammed. To the left and get knocked back.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Look how often

We have to throw because we are behind so much, those numbers are a bit skewed because of a bad running game, bad offense period.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

I just wanted to point out one of the big myths about the Chiefs…we don’t run up the gut every play :)

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Especially In Our Red Zone Offense Against The Patriots

:)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK you got me

Just every other play.:)

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's wrong

48 of our 127 total rushing plays have gone up the gut.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That is close

Enough to every other play for me.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bill Belichick

Rolled the dice and lost by putting all of his eggs in one basket with Tom Brady without having a good backup behind him. That’s why the Patriots are losing now (although you may note that they still have a winning record). Belichick’s a coach who lost a major gamble, but who’s still keeping his team competitive, so he’s not a bad coach.

Herm Edwards, on the other hand, has taken so many gambles that he’s sunk his team already and convinced his best players to request trades.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What gambles?

All but a small handful of players that were here when he took over the team are gone within two years. Who that left was worth keeping aside from Jared Allen who we were well compensated for and who loved Herm?

It’s only a gamble if you have a choice in the matter. He didn’t. He inherited a team of old players on their way out and has tried to scrape together a roster as best he could.

Bellichick is a great coach but he is not perfect without his top player, so why do you expect Herm to be perfect with half a roster of young players that he wants to keep and another half he’s just biding his time to replace?

Jimmy Johnson who you referrenced earlier today as admiring took over the Dallas Cowboys in a similar situation and went 1-15 his first season. It’s a good thing they didn’t give up on that rebuild part way through eh?

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 7:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jimmy Johnson
Jimmy Johnson who you referrenced earlier today as admiring took over the Dallas Cowboys in a similar situation and went 1-15 his first season.

What was his record his second season, DJ? How about his third? How’d Johnson’s career progression go in New York? Contrast that to Herm’s, then try and tell me that they’re at all comparable. That is an absolutely laughable analogy and you should be embarassed that you made it.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Scraps
He inherited a team of old players on their way out and has tried to scrape together a roster as best he could.

Bullshit. These are players he selected. Adrian Jones…a player he chose to bring in. Damion McIntosh…a terrible player from last year that he chooses to start over younger, better options. Brodie Croyle…a player he gave the starting QB job to uncontested by refusing to bring in a quality backup.

This team is exactly as Herm has built it…terrible, with no plan for how to fit the pieces together or how to use them to win games.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beg your pardon

You have to fill the roster anyway you can.

If things had been managed properly when the previous coach was around there would have been players drafted all along to replace the Willie Roafs and Will Shields. But there wasn’t.

Where they supposed to get hte players? Free Agency? Well McIntosh was the best free agent lineman we could get when we did. That worked out great didn’t it? What great tackles were availabe in free agency this year? I don’t recall any.

This is what I’ve been saying for months. The talent level of the team was left devestated before Herm arrived and it can’t be replaced in one or two offseasons. That’s why were playing scrubs at several positions.

Everyone wants to bitch about the players Herm has brought in, but they had to have SOMEONE play the position.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2008 12:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DJ

you’re hitting well and working the body, while UC’s swinging haymakers, so you’re winning this one, but arguing that Herm’s management of the roster since the 06 team has been good is a little flawed. He’s brought in players that suck. That’s okay, he’s still working through it with young guys. But at least admit they suck.

Because they suck.

Also, the Jimmy Johnson argument is moot, we should focus on modern examples in my opinion due to the drastic changes in athleticism and playstyle over the last ten years.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 12:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction

How’d Herm’s career progression go in New York?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And

Contrast that to Herm’s, then try and tell me that they’re at all comparable.

(Sorry, long day)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ARRRRGH!!!

Contrast that to Johnson’s, then try and tell me that they’re at all comparable.

(I need a beer)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Frankly

You cannot count the 2003 season when so many players were injured and they very well could have continued as a playoff caliber team. So thats three good years with trips to the playoffs and playoff victories and one bad year right before he left.

How you can see that as a bad record is crazy.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2008 12:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How you figure?

In 1987 they went 7-9
In 1988 they went 3-13

In 1989 Jerry Jones hired Jimmy Johnson and begun the rebuild by trading Hershell Walker for a billion picks. They went 1-15.

The past two years of the Chiefs we have had a better record than the two years preceding the Dallas rebuild.

This is year one of our rebuild. So if we do better than 1-15 we’re ahead of JJ at Dallas.

If we go 7-9 next year, as Dallas did in 1990 after all those draft picks got a year under their belt we’ll be pretty much on track.

Seriously, you need to start looking at things more objectively instead of being so blind in your dislike of the guy. You are starting to sound unhinged.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What Do The Two Years Before Jimmy Johnson Have To Do With Anything

Johnson was hired in 1989 and they went 1-15. The second year they went 7-9. The year after that they went to the playoffs. That is a clear progression of a rebuilding effort. The Chiefs under Herm and Carl, on the other hand, have gone in the opposite direction. There is no comparison between Herm’s performance and Johnson’s performance. Herm didn’t do a good job with the old guys and he’s not doing a good job with the young guys.

And his stint in New York didn’t look anything like what Jimmy Johnson did either.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Although

I’m starting to believe that Carl’s more to blame for this than Herm these days. And I’m starting to believe that all the stories about Herm “running the management of the team” were completely bogus. So I’m starting to think that even though Herm’s a terrible coach, he deserves much less of the blame than I’ve given him.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2008 8:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We disagree on the starting point.

This is year one of rebuilding. This would be the 1-15 season for Johnson.

Last year was “OMG stop the f-ing bleeding”. Followed by “Oh $h!t, LJ got hurt!”

This year is “Let’s blow it all up and start over.”

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 15, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And My Argument

Is that rebuilding started 9 years ago with the hiring of Gunther Cunningham. It’s just that Peterson never called it rebuilding, he changes coaches periodically to make it appear things are different, and each coach has had less success than the one before.

Actually, the Chiefs aren’t rebuilding…rebuilding will only start once Carl Peterson is gone and a new GM is hired. Right now they’re just a bad team bottoming out.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 15, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's a players coach

Players gravitate towards him in much the same way they do to Wade Phillips (who happened to be in the right place at the right time with the Cowboys).

It doesn’t necessarily make him a good or bad coach.

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is Wade Phillips in

The situation he is in without Parcells building the team? Guess you made that point. Being a players coach does not mean the players are going to succeed.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Players Coaches Seem To Succeed At First

But then their teams seem to lose focus.

I should state that’s just my impression…I’d have to dig up a sampling of “players coaches” vs. “disciplinarians” and study their records to say that with any objectivity.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Because it is buddy, buddy.

No real respect as a boss, employee relationship.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think That's Right

You can get along with the players and be friendly if you’re a disciplinarian, but ultimately there’s that level of respect that must be maintained.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

But those guys tend to lose the team after awhile. They run a lax atmosphere and everyone loves it at first, then things start getting sloppy and the team loses effectiveness. Pete Carroll in New England was a prime example. Wade Phillips in Dallas seems to be another.

The disciplinarians (or the ones who aren’t strictly “player coaches”) often grate and can alienate the team if they carry it too far, but then they also seem to stick around longer. Lombardi, Parcells, Shula, Landry, Noll, Cowher…

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chuck Knox, Mike Ditka...

Jon Gruden, definitely.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We need a guy

That says play, play hard or get off the field.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Agree

Not necessarily someone who screams and yells and abuses players (after all John Mackovic was a disciplinarian who did that and he’s had several player revolts) but someone who sets standards and expects them to be met. Herm doesn’t really do that.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Has Herm EVER lost a team?

The Jets players still loved him when he left New York.
The Chiefs players admire him.

So your point is pretty much useless because it hasn’t happened to Herm yet.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 7:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am goimg to venture to

Guess Herm HAS already lost this team.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You know an awful

lot what these players thought of Herm, talk to any of his former players?

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

On the flip side

Have you talked to any of them to determine that they don’t like him?

by primetime 07 on Oct 14, 2008 7:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No

Did you see the product on the field against Carolina? That was not a team playing for a coach.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 7:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's Pretty Much It

Lots of successful coaches aren’t liked by their players. Parcells wasn’t in any way, shape or form a players coach, but he got his teams into three Super Bowls. Belichick isn’t lovey-dovey with any players that I’ve seen or heard about, but he’s won three Super Bowls too.

The way to judge a coach’s effectiveness is by how his team performs on the field and in most of the games this year the Chiefs play like a team that’s either quit on their coach, or that hasn’t gotten any coaching at all.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or

Was it a team that had the wind knocked out of them by their mentor Tony G acting like a spoiled child because he didn’t get his accolades?

Or was it a young team that was exhausted from playing with so much emotion against Denver that they were just drained?

Or was it a team QBd by a guy that sat on the bench for 12 years that can no longer take an NFL beating for more than one game?

You know how you guys see me as being an unrealistic Herm lover? The average fan sees what you post and thinks you’re at the extreme opposite, but just as far out.

There is absolutely no reaslism in your arguments. Its all based on your opinions and your assuming everyone else MUST feel the way you do. That isn’t the case.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 14, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you kiddin me?

Drained from a game a week earlier? From TG acting like a spoiled brat, are you serious? Man that is ridiculous. That is a team that got hit hard once and NEVER got back up. What everyone feels the way you do? It is the USA we are allowed different opinions, I do not have to follow yours.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That twelve year

Vet helped them win a week earlier.

by Eric Allen on Oct 14, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And For Many Years Before That

This is why Tony G.‘s remarks were so unfortunate and poorly advised. Some people can’t wait to use them as an excuse to throw him under the bus to make another excuse for Herm’s and Carl’s incompetence.

I may be a Chiefs fan first and a Gonzalez fan second, but I know which one is more at fault for the losses, and it isn’t Tony G.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or More Accurately

I may be a Chiefs fan first and a Gonzalez fan second, but I can see that Tony G’s comments aren’t the reason the team’s losing. And I’m not about to throw him under the bus to protect a couple of incompetents like Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson. Because they’re not more important than the team either.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's Rich
There is absolutely no reaslism in your arguments. Its all based on your opinions and your assuming everyone else MUST feel the way you do. That isn’t the case.

Reality is that he’s got a losing record as a head coach. The reality is that the team he assembled this year is playing even worse than the teams that are rebuilding this year and were in the same position as us last season. The reality is that Herm sucks.

If there’s anyone being unrealistic with their opinions, it’s you DJ…so let’s be careful about throwing that word around because you’re the first one it should be pinned on.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

blah blah blah

If his entire team in 2003 hadn’t gone on IR he would have been well over .500 when he came to KC and the team began turning to dust on him.

You choose to see what you want to see and you want to see Herm as the worst coach in NFL history so thats what you see. That doesn’t make you right.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 15, 2008 12:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh

you were so close, DJ. So close. I was with you. I was nodding!

And then you had to go and blame a guy who’s been a class act about this. You can’t go out and say that Tony has said he’ll play in KC if he’s not traded and then accuse him of being a spoiled child. That was disrespectful of one of the best players this franchise has ever had and who has suffered while Herm’s been here.

Truth be told, we’re all so emotionally invested, an average fan would think we’re all assholes, myself included. I’ve resolved to try and be more reasonable and supportive of other commentors, and I think we all should.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 15, 2008 12:56 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Who Cares If They Like Him Or Not?

Liking him has got nothing to do with it. They don’t win for him. They’re not winning for him now. They didn’t win enough to let him keep his job in New York. I wouldn’t care if they hated his guts as long as he got them to win games. But they don’t hate him and they don’t win, so for all intents and purposes he has lost the team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 14, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Herm left of his own choice in New York

You make it sound like they chased him out of there. Absolutely not true.

And the Jets DID win for him the majority of his career there. You can’t blame him for the injury riddled 2003 season when the entire team was made up of practice squad players.