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The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

Green Bay, Philadelphia and Buffalo are other teams to express an interest in Gonzalez

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A 6th rounder?

F off. Even a 4th round pick would be a steal for whoever got him.

by Pauli on Oct 11, 2008 8:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Has to be at least a 2nd rounder.

TonyG is to valuable to us and any other team to offer anything less.

Insulted by the 6th round offer. CP should yell at that guy. Then put him on the phone with Gunther.

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by 306008 on Oct 11, 2008 9:48 PM CDT   0 recs

I Really Love

How some fans seem to think that a TE in his 30s is worth a second round pick.

Ask yourselves this…how would you react if your team traded away a second round pick for a 32 year old tight end? I’m pretty sure you’d be saying that’s an insane move. And I’m pretty sure that the Chiefs recognize this since they’re reportedly only asking for a 3rd rounder.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2008 10:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Crawfords right

It wouldn’t make any sense for a team to trade away a high draft pick they could use to get a good player that could potentially be with them for a decade to get a player that will only be around another year or two, no matter how good they are.

The truth is Tony is far more valuable to the Chiefs than anything they could get out of him from another team.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 11, 2008 10:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you really

refuse to accept the high possibility of this happening.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 11, 2008 11:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's being realistic

The Giants are offering a sixth. The Chiefs want a third. That’s a LONG way to go in 2 1/2 days, especially with Carl’s history of dragging these things out.

by primetime 07 on Oct 11, 2008 11:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it is

going to turn into a performance based pick. Maybe it starts as a sixth, but turns into a five, maybe a four.

by Eric Allen on Oct 11, 2008 11:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree With DJ

I don’t think there’s going to be value (to us) in dumping Gonzalez for a third-rounder. If it was a third plus another draft pick, sure…but not just a 3rd. And definitely not a fourth rounder.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not really looking

to get dollar for dollar value return. Is any player we draft, even if it was a first rounder, going be the difference maker probably? Especially since in your mind, UC, we never draft well anyway.

For me, personally, and just personally, this is about doing the right thing by a guy who has produced for us consistently, been great for the community and the organization, and deserves a better end to his career than watching Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, or Tyler Thigpen throw to the other team. If he wants. Which of course, according to DJ, despite the numerous reports, is complete poppycock. If Tony comes out tomorrow at practice and says “I want to stay here. Period.” then it’s a dead issue. Otherwise, let’s be better than the bottom line, since we’re not talking about the difference between making the playoffs in our burgeoning rebuild-to-good-team year, we’re talking about a team that’s “six” players (at least away. I just want what’s best for Tony since it doesn’t impact what’s best for us.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you're misconstruing his words
The truth is Tony is far more valuable to the Chiefs than anything they could get out of him from another team.

At this point, what we’re hearing we can get out of him is a late 2nd day pick which wouldn’t be worth it to us.

by primetime 07 on Oct 12, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's What I'm Saying

It’s not a worthwhile trade if we’re getting a fourth rounder or lower for him. His value to us is greater.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not misconstruing.

I’m saying I don’t care about what it’s “worth to us.”

We sunk this team. Intentionally. We made moves to rebuild, and it was the right decision. But Tony shouldn’t have to deal with the fact that it’s going to take a whole lot longer than the organization, coaching staff, and he thought.

“His value to us” is marginal. It’s great to have the weapon, it’ll help with the quarterback we eventually settle on’s development. Might make the difference in a game or two.

I totally understand everyone wanting what’s best for the organization and refusing to trade him because we don’t get the most out of it to increase our value from $5.50 to $5.75 cents.

But for me personally, there are bigger things. The guy gave a lot to the team, the organization, and the city, on and off the field, and I want what’s best for him. I subscribe to taking care of the people who do right by you. I understand it’s a business, but that’s just where I end up on it.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tony vs. The Chiefs
The guy gave a lot to the team, the organization, and the city, on and off the field, and I want what’s best for him.

Then you’re not operating as a Chiefs fan in this scenario, you’re operating as a Tony Gonzalez fan. I’m a fan of Tony G. as well, but I’m still a Chiefs fan first and therefore I think the Chiefs should only trade him if it’s of equivalent value to the team.

I subscribe to taking care of the people who do right by you.

Last I checked Tony Gonzalez wasn’t playing football for free. He’s extremely well-compensated for what he does and he understood going into signing his contract that the contract tied his rights as a player to the Chiefs…for better or for worse. The Chiefs have taken very good care of him as a player during his career. If he’s unhappy with that, that’s regrettable, but the Chiefs don’t really owe him anymore than what they’re contractually obligated to provide, and as long as they’ve made a sincere attempt to honor his request for a trade (which they have) they’ve done what’s required of them for treating him with personal respect. Nothing at all obligates them to give him away to somebody else because he’s unhappy here.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't do this.

Don’t be a jerk like this.

I’m still a Chiefs fan if I want what’s best for one of the best players in our history. That doesn’t mean that you’re a better fan. It just means that you’re only willing to think of these guys as numbers on a stat sheetand I’m willing to think of them as numbers on a stat sheet AND as people.

He got paid market value for what he did on the field. But for sticking with us in the past, signing the extension with us, playing his heart out, being committed to the communityand for all the charity work he’s done in the KC area? He deserves better.

You’re not better than anyone else just because all you want to do is shit on Peterson and talk about how much we suck.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm Not Running You Down By Saying That

I’m saying that you’re taking Tony Gonzalez’s side over the Chiefs’ side, which is true. That’s not to say that you’re not a Chiefs fan but you’re letting your emotional attachment to one player demand that the Chiefs trade him away “because it’s right” rather than because it’s benefiting the team (either now or in the long run). It’s the same thing with people who sided with Favre over the Packers this offseason. And I’m pointing out to you that the Chiefs have treated Tony Gonzalez very well over the course of his career.

He got paid market value for what he did on the field. But for sticking with us in the past, signing the extension with us, playing his heart out,

For which the Chiefs paid him a very large contract ($17.75 million in guaranteed money).

being committed to the communityand for all the charity work he’s done in the KC area?

Which has no bearing on all on the football side of things nor does it obligate the Chiefs to trade him if it’s not in their interests to do so.

You’re not better than anyone else just because all you want to do is shit on Peterson and talk about how much we suck.

You know what? Grow up. I’m actually taking Peterson’s side in this argument. You’re the one whining about how your football team ought to screw themselves over by giving away their best player because of your emotional attachment to him. Don’t lash out at me because you can’t accept that football is a business or because you don’t want to admit that you’re taking Gonzalez’s side because you know that the odds of Carl and Herm turning this team around are exactly as miniscule as I’ve been telling you they are.

Would it be nice if Tony Gonzalez got traded and got a ring? Sure. Do I want to see that happen if it means the team weakens themselves and don’t get value in return? Hell no, because I’m a Chiefs fan first and a Gonzalez fan second. And frankly I’d rather have Gonzalez around next year when the owner shitcans Herm and Carl after this season and gets a real GM and coach in here to run this team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You could have won this

without saying “grow up” but as has been mentioned, you tend to get too emotional.

It’s not like I’ve been arguing with you about Carl and Herm turning this team around. I just want to be fair and give Herm and Peterson to the end of the season to make some strides. Otherwise I’m just an internet poster that constantly talks about how much Peterson sucks and never adds anything positive to any conversation.

Theoretically.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fundamentally

we agree on Herm and Peterson. I just don’t want to be labeled as a guy who just holds his opinions and overreacts to everything. We have enough people on here that say “We’re turning it around!” after a win and “Peterson and Herm suck! Fire them both!” after every loss. I want to be fair and consistent.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Note

That I did not say we were turning it all around after the Denver game. I’ve been very consistent in my opinion on this and I’ve always backed it up. And since I’ve been willing to take Carl’s side on issues where he’s right (like this one) I think I’ve been completely fair with both him and Herm.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good point.

You have been consistent, that’s definitely true. I wasn’t referring to you with that post. And you have taken his side. That’s also true.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As For Shifting Your Opinions

There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind for good reasons. It’s only when you’re fickle like the wind that it’s a negative. The willingness to change your mind when reality shows you’re wrong is actually a sign of credibility because it means you’re paying attention and thinking things through.

Hell, I’ll be the first to admit that I was completely wrong about Brian Waters. I thought he was washed up last season and that he didn’t care that much and he’s been our best lineman this year.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 3:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying

you shouldn’t change your mind. But we have posters that go from “Go Chiefs! Yeah!” to “This team sucks! Why isn’t Herm fired?!” depending on a win or loss. If you’re going to feel one way or another about a long term issue, stick with it. I’m not saying you have to support Herm (I’m rapidly losing whatever little faith I instilled in him to turn it around), but long term judgments (like, whether the coach has done a job worthy of being fired the ENTIRE season), shouldn’t hinge on week-to-week.

I’ve changed my mind twice on Herm. I think it’s a good thing, too.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Haven't

Anyone who thinks that Brodie Croyle should have been given that starting job without having to earn it after his 2007 season and 2008 preseason is clearly too incompetent to be trusted with running a rebuilding movement. I knew at that point that Herm was just as bad as people said he was in New York.

Someone else here said it best…Herm’s one of those guys who seems to be more interested in finding a good player than putting together a good team. And those kind of guys will kill a team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

blah blah blah

Same old thing every day.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 12, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whatever DJ

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't start making stuff up again

I have never claimed inside knowledge to the contrary of the reports. I have just said you can’t always believe things you hear on the internet because a majority of the time they are untrue.

I’ve said all along that if Tony G changed his mind and decided he wanted to leave the Chiefs should try to accomadate him because he won’t be around when we’re competitive again. But that doesn’t mean they should just give him away.

The Chiefs have a great deal invested in him and he is an assett of the team. You don’t just give away your assetts.

by ChiefDJ on Oct 12, 2008 2:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
The Chiefs have a great deal invested in him and he is an assett of the team. You don’t just give away your assetts.

Finally, something we whole-heartedly agree on.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm glad I could bring the two of you together.

We’re not going to agree. I don’t like treating guys who have given a lot to the franchise as nothing more than asset to drag down with the rest of this squad. It’s just a personal thing. You obviously just want to treat it like a business, and that’s how most people do, that’s fine. But there’s nothing wrong with either side, and it doesn’t mean I’m putting my Cheifs fandom second or whatever you’re claiming because I don’t think he gives us a better chance.

DJ, I wasn’t saying you had insider information. I was just mentioning that it’s become pretty well accepted that he’s asked to be traded and we’re taking offers. You’re absolutely right that a lot of meaningless crap is out there on the internet. I apologize if I offended you with that comment.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

your an idiot

i have tried to bite my tongue with your stupid comments, but i can’t do it any longer. You are an idiot. Tony G is the heart and soul of this team. It cracks my up how you criticize the youth movement but support this. You probably live one the corner of “git er done” and “you got a perrty mouth” and you probably don’t know any better. If i can think of one post that you have written that was positive and constructive to the chiefs i would not be as mad as i am right now, but i cant. I am not saying that if tg wants this we shouldn’t make it happen, but you are making it sound like the fans who don’t want to lose tg are idiots. You are like that gay guy who pretends to like girls to keep your friends. Why don’t you come out of the “i am an actual Rams fan” closet and save us all the grief of having to listen to you bitch and moan. They have a fan site do it on theirs.

by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 2:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice

First of all, genius, I’ve never run Tony Gonzalez or the fans who love him down at all. He’s clearly the best player on the roster, he’s a class act, and I’ve got no problem with him wanting a trade or the Chiefs trying to trade him (and I’d be happy if he stayed). My comment was pointing out that it’s wishful thinking to assume that a 32 year old tight end was worth a 2nd round pick. He’s not. Don’t believe me? Go back through NFL history and find any other TE who was dealt in season for a 2nd round pick. I’ll be surprised if you find any because TEs aren’t that highly sought of a commodity, even those who are good at catching passes. And the Chiefs realize this because they asked for a 3rd round pick, not a second. And the Giants don’t even appear to be biting on that despite having a serious need at TE because Kevin Boss has been a bust so far, because they responded by offering a 6th rounder, which was stated in the post. Learn to read for fucking comprehension.

If i can think of one post that you have written that was positive and constructive to the chiefs i would not be as mad as i am right now, but i cant.

That’s probably because you lack long-term memory and control of your emotions. Either that or you’re just too lazy to go back and read what I’ve actually written. Always a shame when public education fails someone as badly as it’s obviously failed you. Here’s some constructive criticism to set you on the right path, though…all sentences start with capital letters. Now go run with it.

but you are making it sound like the fans who don’t want to lose tg are idiots.

Actually I said I found it amusing how people drastically overrate the worth of the players they like and assume that other general managers are dumb enough to make a lopsided trade for those players. While that does make them unrealistic, it doesn’t make them idiots and I never called anyone an idiot in my comment that you went all apoplectic about. See where failing to read for comprehension bites you in the ass?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction

Go back through NFL history and find any other TE who was dealt mid-season for a 2nd round pick. I’ll be surprised if you find any because TEs aren’t that highly sought of a commodity, even those who are good at catching passes.

You could, of course, point out Jeremy Shockey, who was traded for a 2nd round pick in the offseason, but before you do that it’s also a good idea to remember that a) he’s four years younger than Tony Gonzalez (which is a primary concern for GMs in any trade), b) it was a foolish trade by New Orleans, and c) the Giants realized what an utterly foolish trade it was, which is why they took it. It’s not too likely that the Giants are going to be foolish enough to make an equally foolish trade with the Chiefs.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It seems as though both of you lack control of your emotions with both responses.

The real dilema is… do we do what’s right for the Chiefs? Or do we do what’s right for Tony G?

Do we treat this like a running back who is going to be out of the league in 4 years because of 400 carries (meaning just use him up and dump him) or do we do what’s right and give him a chance to win now (what he wants because he sees that he has NO chance of doing this for the remainder of his career meaning he sees the Chiefs as perpetual losers for the next 6 years)?

There is no inbetween. And does CP even have emotion when it comes to what’s right?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 12, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What's right

Is to do what’s best for the Chiefs. That’s Carl’s job.

by primetime 07 on Oct 12, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's Pretty Much It

If the Chiefs can’t get value in trade, then that’s simply too bad for Gonzalez. I think the guy’s great, but he’s a player under contract and the team doesn’t owe him a bad trade so he can get a ring elsewhere. If that means Gonzalez doesn’t get a Super Bowl ring, it’s regrettable, but so be it. He wouldn’t be the first great player that’s happened to.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there are bigger things in life

than improving from 2-14 to 3-15.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see your points, Matt

But he does have some value to us. Without TG our offense would be even more limited than it is.

So, while I do want to see him go someplace to win, more importantly I want the team to get the best return it can on him.

by primetime 07 on Oct 12, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Hate To Even Think

What this offense would look like without Tony G in the lineup. And that’s not meant as sentimentality…that’s saying that without Gonzalez our offense would completely fall to pieces. Bowe would never see a game again without double coverage and we’d have nobody to throw to underneath.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there are no pieces

this offense is in shambles, it’s been disintegrating since Herm got here, either by design or as a reaction to the offense that’s been built. there are no pieces. the difference is really negligible. Tony won’t be around to help us when we’ll have an opportunity for it to matter.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless

We get a new coach next season. Which I have every confidence that we will because Clark Hunt has already stated he won’t accept a non-competitive team this year.

You know why things are so futile for Gonzalez right now? Because we have an incompetent head coach running the team on the field and an incompetent GM running the front office. Get rid of them and the future looks a whole lot brighter.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Quit Whining...

Seriously, pull yourselves together. After the Denver game there was all this yippidee do da bipolar fandom flying around. Matt prematurely apologized to Damon. Crawford posts slowed to like not every other one (small joke) and was grumbling all ‘I guess they aren’t completely stupid-like.’

Now? You’re all woe is I, worst ever, choke, die.

Number one, there ARE pieces. Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles, Cottram, Kolby and Brandon Albert are all legitimate pieces that could be integral parts of a winning offense.

Chan, while not sufficiently innovative, is an unquestionable upgrade over Solari, and has shown sparks when given more than 3 downs in a row.

Herm and Carl are no doubt on the boiler plate this season, but jesus, they don’t go around waxing their mustaches and tying good players to railroad tracks.

Let’s at least try to provide concrete examples before whining about intangibles and front office failures.

It just get’s a little old to read when there’s more whining than facts (or even crackpot theories for that matter).

Our 2 cents: the NFL is incredibly volatile these days (just look at this week) a non-contender can turn it around in a year. I personally still think our O-line is 2 drafts too shallow, but other than that, get us something better than Gus Ferotte and we could play. Our defense needs linebackers, desperately.

Tony could contribute to a successful team in 2010, not a 2007 Patriots offense, but possibly a 2007 Giants.

That said, cut him, and LJ for that matter loose, I don’t know the economics or what’s actually out on the market for them, but if it’s viable, sure. That’s part of a youth movement.

The loss of JA is definitely stinging now, but the consensus here seems to be that was a good move?

And was that not the MOST important off season personal decision we made? [Looking at you mr. grumpy let’s fire carl guy]

So cheer up, there ARE SOME developments, they just look pretty retarded (meant in every sense of the word there) because inexperience tends to do that.

So if we’re singing this same song in ten games then go crazy, but right now the team that played 2 pretty good games gives me hope, the team that played 3 god awful games, well if that’s what we’re watching in week 17, the PARADE will recognize and follow suit, but for now can we at least wait until the trade/failed season/team implosion to start yelling IDIOTS?

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 12, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

+1

affirmed, Parade. Affirmed.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see you +1

and add another.

+1

by NJChiefsFan on Oct 13, 2008 6:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me say something here.

First, I hate when you guys bicker it ruins a post when it gets personal and Doesn’t stay on a subject or bring up a new constructive subject. Second, Cottom anybody? This guy is supposed to be good. I know he isn’t proven yet. But you never know until you try. We need to find our replacement for Tony now. Not in a year or two when he retires. Now. If Cottom is terrible we draft another. We can’t expect Tony to save this franchise in the state we are in let him go. We dont need him and he doesn’t need us. Thanks for your services Tony we’ll always love you as a Chief.

by Shawn on Oct 13, 2008 12:45 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

+1

will try and avoid the bickering

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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Rookie tight ends follow the same path as rookie wide receivers for the most part…three years to develop if they develop at all (and fewer are standouts before then). Maybe Cottam’s good, maybe not…but I think it’s more important to keep Tony Gonzalez around and to work Cottam into the offense gradually than it is to throw Cottam directly into the deep end to see if he can sink or swim. This offense isn’t one that’s conducive to helping young players develop.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 13, 2008 7:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're right

It sucks the life out of them.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 13, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Reading for comprehension

Hey man, i shouldn’t have called you an idiot but i am not the only one who has called you out for your complaining, i just happened to do it at 2 in the morning after i was a little intoxicated. Fact of the matter is this is a forum, meaning everyone does have a right to write their opinions as the feel. The thing that aggravated me was the start of your post

I really love how some fans seem to think that a TE in his 30s is worth a second round pick

It just came off as condescending and you tend to have a hard time accepting other peoples opinions. The Giants might not trade a second round pick for tony, but if someone else thinks that is what the chiefs should ask that just means it would be a bad decision to trade him for anything less. And you pointed out the shockey trade, tony might be older, but he is better, doesn’t get injured, and most importantly is more classy. These are just my opinions

by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rationalization
i shouldn’t have called you an idiot but i am not the only one who has called you out for your complaining i just happened to do it at 2 in the morning after i was a little intoxicated.

Apologizing while not actually apologizing or accepting responsibility has never gone over big with me. If you have a tendency to say regrettable things when you’re drunk, perhaps you should forego blogging until you’re sober. As for what other people say affecting what you say, man up and accept responsibility for your own opinion. You want to call me an idiot, I don’t really care, but at least have the balls not to blame what you say on following the crowd.

Fact of the matter is this is a forum, meaning everyone does have a right to write their opinions as the feel. The thing that aggravated me was the start of your post

Right…and I exercised my ability to tell you exactly how pointless, uninformed and ill-thought out your opinion was. And that’s because your opinion and response were apparently based off of not reading the post for comprehension. If you’re not willing to listen to peoples’ opinions in their entirety before you start calling them idiots, they’re not the ones lacking in intelligence.

Now back to discussing the post.

And you pointed out the shockey trade, tony might be older, but he is better, doesn’t get injured, and most importantly is more classy.

These are all true…Shockey is in fact the most overrated tight end in football in my opinion. Unfortunately, because of the position Tony plays, age is very much a consideration because players who rely on speed and quickness (which receivers like Tony do) tend to drop off fairly quickly in their 30s. So Shockey, overrated though he is, gets a higher return in trade because he’s on the right side of 30 and Tony isn’t. Do I think Tony’s worth a 2nd round pick? Probably, but then I’m biased. Are we going to get it? No, because other teams don’t like trading high picks for players who may very well be one or two year rentals.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

you think the only possible results from a situation are negative (either we trade him for less than value or we don’t trade him)? This is shocking UC. I’ve never known you to be a negative, half-empty kind of guy.

Also, this thread is severely lacking in “This is Carl Peterson’s fault” statements.

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Don't Mention Peterson

Because it should be obvious to all but the most delusional that the reason we’re potentially losing one of our best players of all time is because Peterson’s fucked this team up so badly that Tony Gonzalez believes there’s no chance we’ll be competitive again by the time his contract ends. My opinions on Peterson’s incompetence should have been taken as read.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotcha

so we should just attach a “Before we get started, this is Carl Peterson’s fault” to every post?

Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No Need

I think everyone knows where I stand on the issue. And if they don’t I think the implied position is obvious enough. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha

I comprehended your post, and it is the same thing all the time; your right and everyone else is wrong. As for manning up i take responsibility for what i said, it would make it obsolete if i was the only one who thought that, which is why i mentioned i was not the only one who thought you whine to much. And as for you “telling” me how thoughtless, ill thought, blah blah blah my opinion was, well my friend thats my point exactly. Aside from the idiot comment, which was wrong, you have no right to try to tell me or anyone else for that matter that your opinions are superior and everyone else’s are below yours that is what your problem is. And i am sure there will be a post from you quoting something from this post followed by a thorough dissection of how i am wrong and you are right. Your about as predictable as a cheap horror flick. Hell prove me wrong and actually try coming across as anything other then arrogant and i will bite my tongue my friend

by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually I Do

You have the right to express your opinion. I have the right to argue with or even mock any opinion of yours you care to share when you decide to resort to insults. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but “freedom of speech” isn’t just restricted to you. And it doesn’t grant you immunity from people pointing it out when you act like a drunken dumbass. And now I’m going to exercise my other freedom and ignore you because you’ve yet to express an opinion that shows any intellectual merit.

On your way, troll.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Oct 12, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

On your way troll

I admitted twice that i shouldn’t have called anyone an idiot; you have tried to insult me every reply you have had. I guess intellectual merit in your book constitutes comments like “fire carl” and “herm sucks”. I don’t want to get into a childish blogging fight with you. Its one thing to disagree and another to act like your opinions supersede everyone elses. Just like your spat earlier with ridiculous matt you said he wasn’t i chiefs fan, then like i mentioned earlier you lined out some quotes and chopped them up. Dude we are all chiefs fans here, chill out. It is very frustrating to watch the chiefs play how there are, but what did you expect. You mentioned green bay’s similar scenario about how they are actually younger then us but had a good season last year, they also were 4-12 the year before that and had something we don’t; a good quarterback. I think brodie can be a good player and leader of this team he just needs to stay healthy obviously or we will never know. I get pissed every game i watch but i understand what is going on and am not going point fingers this early on. I think after this season we will have enough evidence to determine whether or not this team is indeed moving forward, until then however i just don’t understand why everyone keeps freaking out. Your thoughts…

by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Something about an

angry dude with a flamethrower scares the shit out of me!

by Eric Allen on Oct 12, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Oct 13, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

almost like Grand Theft Auto (all of them)

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 13, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs