The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.
The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.
Green Bay, Philadelphia and Buffalo are other teams to express an interest in Gonzalez
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Has to be at least a 2nd rounder.
TonyG is to valuable to us and any other team to offer anything less.
Insulted by the 6th round offer. CP should yell at that guy. Then put him on the phone with Gunther.
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I Really Love
How some fans seem to think that a TE in his 30s is worth a second round pick.
Ask yourselves this…how would you react if your team traded away a second round pick for a 32 year old tight end? I’m pretty sure you’d be saying that’s an insane move. And I’m pretty sure that the Chiefs recognize this since they’re reportedly only asking for a 3rd rounder.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Crawfords right
It wouldn’t make any sense for a team to trade away a high draft pick they could use to get a good player that could potentially be with them for a decade to get a player that will only be around another year or two, no matter how good they are.
The truth is Tony is far more valuable to the Chiefs than anything they could get out of him from another team.
you really
refuse to accept the high possibility of this happening.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 11, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He's being realistic
The Giants are offering a sixth. The Chiefs want a third. That’s a LONG way to go in 2 1/2 days, especially with Carl’s history of dragging these things out.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 11, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it is
going to turn into a performance based pick. Maybe it starts as a sixth, but turns into a five, maybe a four.
Agree With DJ
I don’t think there’s going to be value (to us) in dumping Gonzalez for a third-rounder. If it was a third plus another draft pick, sure…but not just a 3rd. And definitely not a fourth rounder.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I'm not really looking
to get dollar for dollar value return. Is any player we draft, even if it was a first rounder, going be the difference maker probably? Especially since in your mind, UC, we never draft well anyway.
For me, personally, and just personally, this is about doing the right thing by a guy who has produced for us consistently, been great for the community and the organization, and deserves a better end to his career than watching Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, or Tyler Thigpen throw to the other team. If he wants. Which of course, according to DJ, despite the numerous reports, is complete poppycock. If Tony comes out tomorrow at practice and says “I want to stay here. Period.” then it’s a dead issue. Otherwise, let’s be better than the bottom line, since we’re not talking about the difference between making the playoffs in our burgeoning rebuild-to-good-team year, we’re talking about a team that’s “six” players (at least away. I just want what’s best for Tony since it doesn’t impact what’s best for us.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're misconstruing his words
The truth is Tony is far more valuable to the Chiefs than anything they could get out of him from another team.
At this point, what we’re hearing we can get out of him is a late 2nd day pick which wouldn’t be worth it to us.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That's What I'm Saying
It’s not a worthwhile trade if we’re getting a fourth rounder or lower for him. His value to us is greater.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I'm not misconstruing.
I’m saying I don’t care about what it’s “worth to us.”
We sunk this team. Intentionally. We made moves to rebuild, and it was the right decision. But Tony shouldn’t have to deal with the fact that it’s going to take a whole lot longer than the organization, coaching staff, and he thought.
“His value to us” is marginal. It’s great to have the weapon, it’ll help with the quarterback we eventually settle on’s development. Might make the difference in a game or two.
I totally understand everyone wanting what’s best for the organization and refusing to trade him because we don’t get the most out of it to increase our value from $5.50 to $5.75 cents.
But for me personally, there are bigger things. The guy gave a lot to the team, the organization, and the city, on and off the field, and I want what’s best for him. I subscribe to taking care of the people who do right by you. I understand it’s a business, but that’s just where I end up on it.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Tony vs. The Chiefs
The guy gave a lot to the team, the organization, and the city, on and off the field, and I want what’s best for him.
Then you’re not operating as a Chiefs fan in this scenario, you’re operating as a Tony Gonzalez fan. I’m a fan of Tony G. as well, but I’m still a Chiefs fan first and therefore I think the Chiefs should only trade him if it’s of equivalent value to the team.
I subscribe to taking care of the people who do right by you.
Last I checked Tony Gonzalez wasn’t playing football for free. He’s extremely well-compensated for what he does and he understood going into signing his contract that the contract tied his rights as a player to the Chiefs…for better or for worse. The Chiefs have taken very good care of him as a player during his career. If he’s unhappy with that, that’s regrettable, but the Chiefs don’t really owe him anymore than what they’re contractually obligated to provide, and as long as they’ve made a sincere attempt to honor his request for a trade (which they have) they’ve done what’s required of them for treating him with personal respect. Nothing at all obligates them to give him away to somebody else because he’s unhappy here.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Don't do this.
Don’t be a jerk like this.
I’m still a Chiefs fan if I want what’s best for one of the best players in our history. That doesn’t mean that you’re a better fan. It just means that you’re only willing to think of these guys as numbers on a stat sheetand I’m willing to think of them as numbers on a stat sheet AND as people.
He got paid market value for what he did on the field. But for sticking with us in the past, signing the extension with us, playing his heart out, being committed to the communityand for all the charity work he’s done in the KC area? He deserves better.
You’re not better than anyone else just because all you want to do is shit on Peterson and talk about how much we suck.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm Not Running You Down By Saying That
I’m saying that you’re taking Tony Gonzalez’s side over the Chiefs’ side, which is true. That’s not to say that you’re not a Chiefs fan but you’re letting your emotional attachment to one player demand that the Chiefs trade him away “because it’s right” rather than because it’s benefiting the team (either now or in the long run). It’s the same thing with people who sided with Favre over the Packers this offseason. And I’m pointing out to you that the Chiefs have treated Tony Gonzalez very well over the course of his career.
He got paid market value for what he did on the field. But for sticking with us in the past, signing the extension with us, playing his heart out,
For which the Chiefs paid him a very large contract ($17.75 million in guaranteed money).
being committed to the communityand for all the charity work he’s done in the KC area?
Which has no bearing on all on the football side of things nor does it obligate the Chiefs to trade him if it’s not in their interests to do so.
You’re not better than anyone else just because all you want to do is shit on Peterson and talk about how much we suck.
You know what? Grow up. I’m actually taking Peterson’s side in this argument. You’re the one whining about how your football team ought to screw themselves over by giving away their best player because of your emotional attachment to him. Don’t lash out at me because you can’t accept that football is a business or because you don’t want to admit that you’re taking Gonzalez’s side because you know that the odds of Carl and Herm turning this team around are exactly as miniscule as I’ve been telling you they are.
Would it be nice if Tony Gonzalez got traded and got a ring? Sure. Do I want to see that happen if it means the team weakens themselves and don’t get value in return? Hell no, because I’m a Chiefs fan first and a Gonzalez fan second. And frankly I’d rather have Gonzalez around next year when the owner shitcans Herm and Carl after this season and gets a real GM and coach in here to run this team.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
You could have won this
without saying “grow up” but as has been mentioned, you tend to get too emotional.
It’s not like I’ve been arguing with you about Carl and Herm turning this team around. I just want to be fair and give Herm and Peterson to the end of the season to make some strides. Otherwise I’m just an internet poster that constantly talks about how much Peterson sucks and never adds anything positive to any conversation.
Theoretically.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Fundamentally
we agree on Herm and Peterson. I just don’t want to be labeled as a guy who just holds his opinions and overreacts to everything. We have enough people on here that say “We’re turning it around!” after a win and “Peterson and Herm suck! Fire them both!” after every loss. I want to be fair and consistent.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Note
That I did not say we were turning it all around after the Denver game. I’ve been very consistent in my opinion on this and I’ve always backed it up. And since I’ve been willing to take Carl’s side on issues where he’s right (like this one) I think I’ve been completely fair with both him and Herm.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
That's a good point.
You have been consistent, that’s definitely true. I wasn’t referring to you with that post. And you have taken his side. That’s also true.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
As For Shifting Your Opinions
There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind for good reasons. It’s only when you’re fickle like the wind that it’s a negative. The willingness to change your mind when reality shows you’re wrong is actually a sign of credibility because it means you’re paying attention and thinking things through.
Hell, I’ll be the first to admit that I was completely wrong about Brian Waters. I thought he was washed up last season and that he didn’t care that much and he’s been our best lineman this year.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I'm not saying
you shouldn’t change your mind. But we have posters that go from “Go Chiefs! Yeah!” to “This team sucks! Why isn’t Herm fired?!” depending on a win or loss. If you’re going to feel one way or another about a long term issue, stick with it. I’m not saying you have to support Herm (I’m rapidly losing whatever little faith I instilled in him to turn it around), but long term judgments (like, whether the coach has done a job worthy of being fired the ENTIRE season), shouldn’t hinge on week-to-week.
I’ve changed my mind twice on Herm. I think it’s a good thing, too.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I Haven't
Anyone who thinks that Brodie Croyle should have been given that starting job without having to earn it after his 2007 season and 2008 preseason is clearly too incompetent to be trusted with running a rebuilding movement. I knew at that point that Herm was just as bad as people said he was in New York.
Someone else here said it best…Herm’s one of those guys who seems to be more interested in finding a good player than putting together a good team. And those kind of guys will kill a team.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Don't start making stuff up again
I have never claimed inside knowledge to the contrary of the reports. I have just said you can’t always believe things you hear on the internet because a majority of the time they are untrue.
I’ve said all along that if Tony G changed his mind and decided he wanted to leave the Chiefs should try to accomadate him because he won’t be around when we’re competitive again. But that doesn’t mean they should just give him away.
The Chiefs have a great deal invested in him and he is an assett of the team. You don’t just give away your assetts.
Exactly
The Chiefs have a great deal invested in him and he is an assett of the team. You don’t just give away your assetts.
Finally, something we whole-heartedly agree on.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I'm glad I could bring the two of you together.
We’re not going to agree. I don’t like treating guys who have given a lot to the franchise as nothing more than asset to drag down with the rest of this squad. It’s just a personal thing. You obviously just want to treat it like a business, and that’s how most people do, that’s fine. But there’s nothing wrong with either side, and it doesn’t mean I’m putting my Cheifs fandom second or whatever you’re claiming because I don’t think he gives us a better chance.
DJ, I wasn’t saying you had insider information. I was just mentioning that it’s become pretty well accepted that he’s asked to be traded and we’re taking offers. You’re absolutely right that a lot of meaningless crap is out there on the internet. I apologize if I offended you with that comment.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
your an idiot
i have tried to bite my tongue with your stupid comments, but i can’t do it any longer. You are an idiot. Tony G is the heart and soul of this team. It cracks my up how you criticize the youth movement but support this. You probably live one the corner of “git er done” and “you got a perrty mouth” and you probably don’t know any better. If i can think of one post that you have written that was positive and constructive to the chiefs i would not be as mad as i am right now, but i cant. I am not saying that if tg wants this we shouldn’t make it happen, but you are making it sound like the fans who don’t want to lose tg are idiots. You are like that gay guy who pretends to like girls to keep your friends. Why don’t you come out of the “i am an actual Rams fan” closet and save us all the grief of having to listen to you bitch and moan. They have a fan site do it on theirs.
by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice
First of all, genius, I’ve never run Tony Gonzalez or the fans who love him down at all. He’s clearly the best player on the roster, he’s a class act, and I’ve got no problem with him wanting a trade or the Chiefs trying to trade him (and I’d be happy if he stayed). My comment was pointing out that it’s wishful thinking to assume that a 32 year old tight end was worth a 2nd round pick. He’s not. Don’t believe me? Go back through NFL history and find any other TE who was dealt in season for a 2nd round pick. I’ll be surprised if you find any because TEs aren’t that highly sought of a commodity, even those who are good at catching passes. And the Chiefs realize this because they asked for a 3rd round pick, not a second. And the Giants don’t even appear to be biting on that despite having a serious need at TE because Kevin Boss has been a bust so far, because they responded by offering a 6th rounder, which was stated in the post. Learn to read for fucking comprehension.
If i can think of one post that you have written that was positive and constructive to the chiefs i would not be as mad as i am right now, but i cant.
That’s probably because you lack long-term memory and control of your emotions. Either that or you’re just too lazy to go back and read what I’ve actually written. Always a shame when public education fails someone as badly as it’s obviously failed you. Here’s some constructive criticism to set you on the right path, though…all sentences start with capital letters. Now go run with it.
but you are making it sound like the fans who don’t want to lose tg are idiots.
Actually I said I found it amusing how people drastically overrate the worth of the players they like and assume that other general managers are dumb enough to make a lopsided trade for those players. While that does make them unrealistic, it doesn’t make them idiots and I never called anyone an idiot in my comment that you went all apoplectic about. See where failing to read for comprehension bites you in the ass?
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Correction
Go back through NFL history and find any other TE who was dealt mid-season for a 2nd round pick. I’ll be surprised if you find any because TEs aren’t that highly sought of a commodity, even those who are good at catching passes.
You could, of course, point out Jeremy Shockey, who was traded for a 2nd round pick in the offseason, but before you do that it’s also a good idea to remember that a) he’s four years younger than Tony Gonzalez (which is a primary concern for GMs in any trade), b) it was a foolish trade by New Orleans, and c) the Giants realized what an utterly foolish trade it was, which is why they took it. It’s not too likely that the Giants are going to be foolish enough to make an equally foolish trade with the Chiefs.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
It seems as though both of you lack control of your emotions with both responses.
The real dilema is… do we do what’s right for the Chiefs? Or do we do what’s right for Tony G?
Do we treat this like a running back who is going to be out of the league in 4 years because of 400 carries (meaning just use him up and dump him) or do we do what’s right and give him a chance to win now (what he wants because he sees that he has NO chance of doing this for the remainder of his career meaning he sees the Chiefs as perpetual losers for the next 6 years)?
There is no inbetween. And does CP even have emotion when it comes to what’s right?
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What's right
Is to do what’s best for the Chiefs. That’s Carl’s job.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Pretty Much It
If the Chiefs can’t get value in trade, then that’s simply too bad for Gonzalez. I think the guy’s great, but he’s a player under contract and the team doesn’t owe him a bad trade so he can get a ring elsewhere. If that means Gonzalez doesn’t get a Super Bowl ring, it’s regrettable, but so be it. He wouldn’t be the first great player that’s happened to.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
there are bigger things in life
than improving from 2-14 to 3-15.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I see your points, Matt
But he does have some value to us. Without TG our offense would be even more limited than it is.
So, while I do want to see him go someplace to win, more importantly I want the team to get the best return it can on him.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 12, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I Hate To Even Think
What this offense would look like without Tony G in the lineup. And that’s not meant as sentimentality…that’s saying that without Gonzalez our offense would completely fall to pieces. Bowe would never see a game again without double coverage and we’d have nobody to throw to underneath.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
there are no pieces
this offense is in shambles, it’s been disintegrating since Herm got here, either by design or as a reaction to the offense that’s been built. there are no pieces. the difference is really negligible. Tony won’t be around to help us when we’ll have an opportunity for it to matter.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless
We get a new coach next season. Which I have every confidence that we will because Clark Hunt has already stated he won’t accept a non-competitive team this year.
You know why things are so futile for Gonzalez right now? Because we have an incompetent head coach running the team on the field and an incompetent GM running the front office. Get rid of them and the future looks a whole lot brighter.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Quit Whining...
Seriously, pull yourselves together. After the Denver game there was all this yippidee do da bipolar fandom flying around. Matt prematurely apologized to Damon. Crawford posts slowed to like not every other one (small joke) and was grumbling all ‘I guess they aren’t completely stupid-like.’
Now? You’re all woe is I, worst ever, choke, die.
Number one, there ARE pieces. Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles, Cottram, Kolby and Brandon Albert are all legitimate pieces that could be integral parts of a winning offense.
Chan, while not sufficiently innovative, is an unquestionable upgrade over Solari, and has shown sparks when given more than 3 downs in a row.
Herm and Carl are no doubt on the boiler plate this season, but jesus, they don’t go around waxing their mustaches and tying good players to railroad tracks.
Let’s at least try to provide concrete examples before whining about intangibles and front office failures.
It just get’s a little old to read when there’s more whining than facts (or even crackpot theories for that matter).
Our 2 cents: the NFL is incredibly volatile these days (just look at this week) a non-contender can turn it around in a year. I personally still think our O-line is 2 drafts too shallow, but other than that, get us something better than Gus Ferotte and we could play. Our defense needs linebackers, desperately.
Tony could contribute to a successful team in 2010, not a 2007 Patriots offense, but possibly a 2007 Giants.
That said, cut him, and LJ for that matter loose, I don’t know the economics or what’s actually out on the market for them, but if it’s viable, sure. That’s part of a youth movement.
The loss of JA is definitely stinging now, but the consensus here seems to be that was a good move?
And was that not the MOST important off season personal decision we made? [Looking at you mr. grumpy let’s fire carl guy]
So cheer up, there ARE SOME developments, they just look pretty retarded (meant in every sense of the word there) because inexperience tends to do that.
So if we’re singing this same song in ten games then go crazy, but right now the team that played 2 pretty good games gives me hope, the team that played 3 god awful games, well if that’s what we’re watching in week 17, the PARADE will recognize and follow suit, but for now can we at least wait until the trade/failed season/team implosion to start yelling IDIOTS?
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Oct 12, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
affirmed, Parade. Affirmed.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me say something here.
First, I hate when you guys bicker it ruins a post when it gets personal and Doesn’t stay on a subject or bring up a new constructive subject. Second, Cottom anybody? This guy is supposed to be good. I know he isn’t proven yet. But you never know until you try. We need to find our replacement for Tony now. Not in a year or two when he retires. Now. If Cottom is terrible we draft another. We can’t expect Tony to save this franchise in the state we are in let him go. We dont need him and he doesn’t need us. Thanks for your services Tony we’ll always love you as a Chief.
by Shawn on Oct 13, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
will try and avoid the bickering
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Rookie tight ends follow the same path as rookie wide receivers for the most part…three years to develop if they develop at all (and fewer are standouts before then). Maybe Cottam’s good, maybe not…but I think it’s more important to keep Tony Gonzalez around and to work Cottam into the offense gradually than it is to throw Cottam directly into the deep end to see if he can sink or swim. This offense isn’t one that’s conducive to helping young players develop.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
you're right
It sucks the life out of them.
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Reading for comprehension
Hey man, i shouldn’t have called you an idiot but i am not the only one who has called you out for your complaining, i just happened to do it at 2 in the morning after i was a little intoxicated. Fact of the matter is this is a forum, meaning everyone does have a right to write their opinions as the feel. The thing that aggravated me was the start of your post
I really love how some fans seem to think that a TE in his 30s is worth a second round pick
It just came off as condescending and you tend to have a hard time accepting other peoples opinions. The Giants might not trade a second round pick for tony, but if someone else thinks that is what the chiefs should ask that just means it would be a bad decision to trade him for anything less. And you pointed out the shockey trade, tony might be older, but he is better, doesn’t get injured, and most importantly is more classy. These are just my opinions
by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Rationalization
i shouldn’t have called you an idiot but i am not the only one who has called you out for your complaining i just happened to do it at 2 in the morning after i was a little intoxicated.
Apologizing while not actually apologizing or accepting responsibility has never gone over big with me. If you have a tendency to say regrettable things when you’re drunk, perhaps you should forego blogging until you’re sober. As for what other people say affecting what you say, man up and accept responsibility for your own opinion. You want to call me an idiot, I don’t really care, but at least have the balls not to blame what you say on following the crowd.
Fact of the matter is this is a forum, meaning everyone does have a right to write their opinions as the feel. The thing that aggravated me was the start of your post
Right…and I exercised my ability to tell you exactly how pointless, uninformed and ill-thought out your opinion was. And that’s because your opinion and response were apparently based off of not reading the post for comprehension. If you’re not willing to listen to peoples’ opinions in their entirety before you start calling them idiots, they’re not the ones lacking in intelligence.
Now back to discussing the post.
And you pointed out the shockey trade, tony might be older, but he is better, doesn’t get injured, and most importantly is more classy.
These are all true…Shockey is in fact the most overrated tight end in football in my opinion. Unfortunately, because of the position Tony plays, age is very much a consideration because players who rely on speed and quickness (which receivers like Tony do) tend to drop off fairly quickly in their 30s. So Shockey, overrated though he is, gets a higher return in trade because he’s on the right side of 30 and Tony isn’t. Do I think Tony’s worth a 2nd round pick? Probably, but then I’m biased. Are we going to get it? No, because other teams don’t like trading high picks for players who may very well be one or two year rentals.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
What?
you think the only possible results from a situation are negative (either we trade him for less than value or we don’t trade him)? This is shocking UC. I’ve never known you to be a negative, half-empty kind of guy.
Also, this thread is severely lacking in “This is Carl Peterson’s fault” statements.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I Don't Mention Peterson
Because it should be obvious to all but the most delusional that the reason we’re potentially losing one of our best players of all time is because Peterson’s fucked this team up so badly that Tony Gonzalez believes there’s no chance we’ll be competitive again by the time his contract ends. My opinions on Peterson’s incompetence should have been taken as read.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Gotcha
so we should just attach a “Before we get started, this is Carl Peterson’s fault” to every post?
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha
I comprehended your post, and it is the same thing all the time; your right and everyone else is wrong. As for manning up i take responsibility for what i said, it would make it obsolete if i was the only one who thought that, which is why i mentioned i was not the only one who thought you whine to much. And as for you “telling” me how thoughtless, ill thought, blah blah blah my opinion was, well my friend thats my point exactly. Aside from the idiot comment, which was wrong, you have no right to try to tell me or anyone else for that matter that your opinions are superior and everyone else’s are below yours that is what your problem is. And i am sure there will be a post from you quoting something from this post followed by a thorough dissection of how i am wrong and you are right. Your about as predictable as a cheap horror flick. Hell prove me wrong and actually try coming across as anything other then arrogant and i will bite my tongue my friend
by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I Do
You have the right to express your opinion. I have the right to argue with or even mock any opinion of yours you care to share when you decide to resort to insults. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but “freedom of speech” isn’t just restricted to you. And it doesn’t grant you immunity from people pointing it out when you act like a drunken dumbass. And now I’m going to exercise my other freedom and ignore you because you’ve yet to express an opinion that shows any intellectual merit.
On your way, troll.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
On your way troll
I admitted twice that i shouldn’t have called anyone an idiot; you have tried to insult me every reply you have had. I guess intellectual merit in your book constitutes comments like “fire carl” and “herm sucks”. I don’t want to get into a childish blogging fight with you. Its one thing to disagree and another to act like your opinions supersede everyone elses. Just like your spat earlier with ridiculous matt you said he wasn’t i chiefs fan, then like i mentioned earlier you lined out some quotes and chopped them up. Dude we are all chiefs fans here, chill out. It is very frustrating to watch the chiefs play how there are, but what did you expect. You mentioned green bay’s similar scenario about how they are actually younger then us but had a good season last year, they also were 4-12 the year before that and had something we don’t; a good quarterback. I think brodie can be a good player and leader of this team he just needs to stay healthy obviously or we will never know. I get pissed every game i watch but i understand what is going on and am not going point fingers this early on. I think after this season we will have enough evidence to determine whether or not this team is indeed moving forward, until then however i just don’t understand why everyone keeps freaking out. Your thoughts…
by InternetCreditOffers.com on Oct 12, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
::fires up the flamethrower::
This is going to be fun
Something about an
angry dude with a flamethrower scares the shit out of me!
almost like Grand Theft Auto (all of them)
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I didn't have the energy
To superimpose a flamethrower in the Lord’s hands.
I tried. Paint only provides so much usability.
So if not by the deadline
we can then assume Tony will be traded in the offseason?
Terrific.
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 11, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions
Sarcasm aside
What about Gonzalez for Brian Brohm straight up?
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 11, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
If we’re only asking for a third, and Brian Brohm was an early 2nd last year, I don’t consider that a likely possibility.
by Joel Thorman on Oct 11, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
and here we GO...
didn’t we just talk about this? Tony G. with a draft pick for Brian Brohm…. Screw the Giants…a 6th rounder?…what a joke….why not include a 7th with it, and a conditional 7th in 2010. :-) KEEP your picks….that’s an insult…
by aPacificChief on Oct 12, 2008 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions
If they want it done so bad
why not make the deal with a conditional pick + a 5th or 6th rounder? I say 5th because the Giants are likely to go to the playoffs and probably deep again. A 6th rounder would be more or less a 7th rounder due to the late position of the Giants pick.
They could throw in a conditional pick based on some factors like how far they go in the playoffs and how well Tony does on the field… throw in other stuff like him staying healthy etc. Allow us to earn up to a 2nd or 3rd round pick if things go well… or less/nothing if the fit hits the shan.
No matter what the Chiefs will lose out on this deal… like DJ says – he’s worth more to us than anything we could get for him.
Gonzo
If we could get a third or higher I say go for it. Hate to lose him but, do what is best for Tony and the team.
The Posnaski article says it all
Gonzalez is Gonzo. What a fucking great season of football for the Chiefs..
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 12, 2008 1:54 AM CDT reply actions
I Thought Posnanski's Article Was Overboard
Seriously, if a trade doesn’t go through what’s Tony G going to do? He’s going to play out the rest of the season and decide if he wants to retire afterwards. Which he probably won’t because he’d have to pay back the bonus money for the remaining years on his contract. So he’ll probably come back next year, and if he doesn’t then it saves us cap space which we will of course use on fifth-tier free agents waived by the Jets, Dolphins and Bengals so Carl can embark on the next 20 years of his five year plan to win a Super Bowl.
As for Tony’s teammates, you think they’re going to shun him because he wants off a crap football team? Heck no, as long as he shows up and performs every week nothing’s going to change. Players are professionals…they understand it’s a business and they don’t take it anywhere near as personally as the fans when someone wants to get traded. That kind of “you abandoned the locker room” crap is just for bad sports movies.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
It says it all in that
it reveals the extent in which Tony does not want to be on this football team. So if not by the deadline, it will come in the offseason. Its clear to me he’s not interested in staying a Chief
I liked what Waters had to say. I think there’s something to be said for being “the man” and thats what Tony has in KC and is now jeaprodizing. He deserves whatever he wants but as a fan I was hoping he’d remain the class act he’s always been and just ride this thing out
by KansasCityShuffle on Oct 12, 2008 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I Don't Think Asking For A Trade Takes Anything Away From Him
He’s getting older and he wants to have a shot at a Super Bowl.
All players eventually lose the desire in their career to play. It’s tough to get motivated to go out there and sacrifice yourself when your job depresses you and you know that the only point to it is to ride out another bad season. It looks like Tony’s hit that point and after a decade of playing for Peterson-built teams, I don’t really blame him, nor do I think that it takes anything off of his legacy in Kansas City. He still became a Hall of Famer while he played here. He still gave his best every season. He just wants a chance to win and he knows that it’s likely never going to happen under the current regime while he’s still an active player.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
What's right?
Is letting a TE who has given his whole career to the Chiefs go to a contender right?
Or
Is making our team the best it can be by getting the highest value in a trade for one of your players?
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This Makes Me Sick
I have three names on my lifetime favorit players list – Len Dawson, Joe Montana, and Tony Gonzales. It really sickens me to even think of Tony going to any other team, but I do respect him enough to hope that his own wishes are honored.
To those that think Tony is not worth a 2nd and additional pick….It would not honor him to trade for anything less than a that. Yes he is 32, but he has at a minimum, 3 more years of Pro Bowl play in him. His presense on an already good team will improve their passing game and running game. His value is much more than “just a 32 year old Tight End”. Shockey worth more? You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!! Tony’s leadership and physical abilities are much greater than his and the age doesn’t matter. The abilities do, on the field and in the locker room. There was also mention of never in NFL history has a TE been traded in mid season for a 2nd. Well, I can say never in NFL history has the greatest Tight End in NFL history been traded, so yes, he is worth every bit a 2nd round choice, and more.
If he feels he needs the shot at the ring, then I’ll respect that, but anyone asking for less than his actual value as a player, then they can go screw themselves. You should go to the Bill’s websites. They have already started petitions for him. At least they see his value. Another thing, they are laughing about how funny it would be to give us Losman (a player they can’t stand) plus a 3rd for Tony.
Tony G, I wish you well, and look forward to you coming home to retire in the end, as a Chief.
Kinda ironic
You mention Joe Montana, who many thought would retire as a 49er.
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Also bear in mind
that of course they’re only going to offer a late second rounder. They have two more days to play chicken. They’re going to lowball because they know we have no leverage. If Carl shows that he’s simply not going to let him go for less than X (whatever “X” is determined to be), the Giants will raise up and increase their offer. This happens all the time, people. Pay attention.
Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.
by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Peterson
Asked for a third round pick, not a second rounder.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
We'll see
it may end up as a third rounder with conditionals for a second. A third rounder is worth it under today’s NFL salary cap. You’re not going to get 1st rounders for anyone over 28.
Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.
by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If It Were A Conditional Second
I’d say it’s probably worth it in trade. Anything less and it’s really not considering the damage it would do to the offense.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
I'm sorry, we must be talking about two different teams.
What “offense” are you referring to?
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by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The One That Depends On The Tight End To Complete Half Of Their Attempts
Once Tony’s gone Bowe’s never going to see a game without double coverage and any QB behind that line’s going to get pummeled even more than they already are. And it’ll handicap the team next year because drafted receivers and tight ends still take about three years to develop so any QB we bring in next year is going to find himself equally devoid of targets.
Tony Gonzalez is worth more to us staying here than he is in trade unless we get a second round pick out of it at least.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
The difference is negligible
We have arguably the worst offense in the league. A tight end isn’t going to be a difference maker in a situation this bad. A good tight end makes a good offense great. A good tight end makes a bad offense marginally better.
Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.
by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Again
He’s not a major asset in Herm’s offense. Because Herm Edwards is death on offenses. In the hands of a new coach Tony Gonzalez is a major asset. And I believe we’ll have a new head coach next year.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Yeah
but will it be enough for us to make a run at a ring?
Mizzou: Not desperately hanging on to a bygone winning tradition since 1900.
by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 12, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, Maybe Not
But if you’ve been watching what’s going on with the Falcons this year, you’ll see that competent leadership on the field means a lot. They were in the same boat as us last year and they look right now like a team that’s on the fast track to long-term improvement.
We’re feeling futile about it, I believe, mainly because we keep telling ourselves that Carl Peterson will never leave and we’ll be stuck with things as they are. And I honestly do not believe that’s the case. If this continues I think Herm and Carl are gone after this season, and then all bets are off on what this team can or can’t do by the time Tony G. retires.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
If Brett Favre can be had for a conditional fourth rounder
I can’t see Tony being moved for anything better than an unconditional fourth rounder. Take a look through history at guys near the ends of their careers getting dealt. You don’t typically get a first day draft pick.
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Most players don't get to win a Super Bowl
Tony should stay in KC, and that’s all I have to say.
Tony is only 32
and in the right situation could play for 3 or 4 more productive seasons. A 3rd rounder is fair compensation for a player of his talents. Tony is absolutely a big part of our non-existent offense, and to be honest, with him gone it will force some of these yound plays to step up and take a bigger role. The O line has been so bad we haven’t even had time to go to the tight end underneath (amazing statement I know), but his value to us right now is neglible. Good luck Tony, you will always be one of the all time Chiefs greats no matter what happens.
I said 2nd because I knew that a couple of teams would offer the 3rd round because it's a steal.
I am thinking that one of them will cave and go for it all! Have some faith in the way teams out compete themselves.
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