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Where We Stand: The Kansas City Chiefs Cornerbacks

I'm not trying to tackle him. I'm trying to shut him the hell up!

Examining the state of the roster, one position at a time. Corner backs are tougher to evaluate on paper because statistics only tell part of the story. I expect some healthy debate out of this post.

Rashad Barksdale

Strictly a special teams player for eight games this season, Barksdale is a rookie whose coverage skills are unknown. He came out of Albany as a strong safety/corner mix and was drafted in the sixth round by the Eagles as a "project". Barksdale didn't even play football until his junior year of college -- he was originally a baseball player -- so project is an apt description.

Impact in 2008: I've never been a fan of project players or players who were drafted based entirely on being an "athlete". Ramiro Pruneda, the Chiefs massive "project" at the tackle position, is currently sitting somewhere in his native Mexico, not employed by any football team. These project types come and go and usually don't stick around. Barksdale's best position, with his athleticism, is running down the football field on special teams. Don't expect him to do much more than that next season.

Ty Law

Law was a shadow of his former self last year but that was still good enough for him to be about average. His stats have been falling ever since he came to KC. In 2006, Law had 65 total tackles and and four interceptions. In 2007, he garnered 47 tackles and only two interceptions. Stats at the CB position don't tell the whole story but that is a major drop off.

Impact in 2008: Expect Law and Surtain to remain our starting corner backs. That may not last the entire season though, especially at Ty Law's age. A lack of better options ensures Law will play. 2008 may be his final season.

Dimitri Patterson

2007 marked Patterson's third year in the NFL but only counted as his second because he didn't play in a single game with the Vikings in 2006. Another special teamer, Patterson's had three tackles against his old team the Vikings in Week 3 and played in thirteen games this season for the Chiefs.

Impact in 2008: Right now, Patterson is at best a warm body on special teams for the Chiefs. He had the occasional good tackle in the secondary but beyond a few miscellaneous plays, I don't remember his name being called much. Like Barksdale, Patterson may or may not be around next season.

Patrick Surtain

Here we have the other half of our starting corner backs. Despite both Law and Surtain seemingly dropping off in their ability, the Chiefs pass defense did end up ranked #5 overall. That is a remarkable stat considering how much better both Law and Surtain played in 2006 when the pass defense was in the middle of the pack. Part of that high pass defense ranking is related to our quite poor rush defense, which dropped from 18th in the NFL in 2006 to 28th in 2007.

Impact in 2008: He will be our other starter. Surtain still has a few seasons left in the tank. Both him and Law could benefit from some young talented competition in camp, whether to motivate them or to expose their age. The young guys currently behind them aren't exactly lighting a fire underneath them.

Tyron Brackenridge

A rising star out coming out of training camp last year, Brackenridge occupied mainly the nickel corner position in 2007. Considering he joined the team last May as an undrafted free agent, the Chiefs' brass must really like him. He played well enough for a rookie but is still rough around the edges. He showed a tendency to sneak up from his position in the secondary, like most young guys do. If the Chiefs are willing to stick with him, I'm all for it.

Impact in 2008: Look for Brackenridge to slowly get more and more playing time as time goes on, similar to this past season. He only started one game in 2007 but played in all but the last two weeks of the season.

Outlook for 2008

The Chiefs are getting long in the tooth at the CB position and it's a spot that will desperately need upgrading after next season. The Chiefs would be wise to pick up a corner in this upcoming draft but I certainly wouldn't reach for one. If they don't, the cupboard is bare if Law or Surtain goes down with an injury. The CB position has the potential to become like our offensive line if we don't get on replacing and developing personnel immediately.

Edit: Yes, I left out Benny Sapp somehow. We're discussing him in the comments.

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I don't know...
I wouldn't be too surprised if Law and Surtain both were on the bench or off the team come next July.  Herm's penchant for playing younger players clashes with the age of these two. Cornerback in the "Tampa 2" scheme employed by Herm, Tony and Lovie doesn't require "shut down" corners, it requires "shut down" safeties if you will.  Bob Sanders in Indy, Mike Brown in Chicago (when not hurt) Kerry Rhodes in NY (a herm edwards pick) and now Jarrad Page in KC.

Everyone questioned how Indy could let Jason David the CB go, when he was signed to a big offer sheet by New Orleans, and now look at him.  Probably the most abused CB in the league.  He fit well in the cover 2 system, but not in the base 43 ran by the Saints.  

I look for the chiefs to have two new starting CB's next season, for better or worse.  And I don't expect them to go out and sign a big name "shut down" corners to get them.    

Steven

by Steven on Jan 15, 2008 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Its possible
we have two new corners but with the money owed to Surtain and Law (and their ages), we can't exactly just unload them to another team.

Corner is one of those positions that a player really can't "learn on the job". Law and Surtain are good enough to go another year.

by Chris Thorman on Jan 15, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Shoot!
I left him out accidentally.

I like Benny Sapp and I think that he has potential to replace Law or Surtain someday. Just not this next season.

by Chris Thorman on Jan 15, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Also
Sapp could be a serviceable replacement if either Law or Surtain gets injured. But I'd be nervous with him back there for an entire season.

by Chris Thorman on Jan 15, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on Sapp
He does ok in the nickel, but I really don't think he is athletic enough to play corner.  He's short and not very fast.

Think he's ok to keep around as a backup or for the nickel, but I don't see him moving to starter personally.

by DJ @ Arrowhead Pride on Jan 15, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

RE
He is short...only 5'9".

by Chris Thorman on Jan 16, 2008 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Good lord
Getting 6 interceptions or giving up 16 TDs?  Hmm...

by Joel Thorman on Jan 16, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Salary Cap Question
How does retirement affect the cap hit we would take?  If it helps, we could round up a crew to "convince" Ty Law to retire :)

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 15, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

I think
the rest of the contract is void but that the Chiefs would take the hit of the remaining portion of Law's signing bonus. I'm not sure how much that is -- maybe $4 million total?

by Chris Thorman on Jan 15, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Retirement
Correct me if I'm wrong but let's say Ty Law has a 4 year contract.  2 years into the contract he retires.  He can't come back into the league with any other team except us (b/c we have him under contract) for 2 years.  

by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cap Hit
The hit we would take by unloading Surtain and or Law is much much less than their salary due to them this year.

You might be right, they might be the starters next year, I just have a feeling they won't.  

Steven

by Steven on Jan 15, 2008 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

My, have times changed
I remember when we signed Ty Law.  I was excited beyond belief.  I believe the rest of the city was too, if I'm not mistaken.  Chris, any chance you can dig through the archives and link the Ty Law signing post?

by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah
I remember all of Jabba's articles in the Star...I had just moved to KC and everyone was just certain that a great corner to replace Warfield was the last piece in the puzzle - after all, we were coming off of a 10-6 season where we just missed the playoffs. (oh crap...Roaf did what? then Shields too?)

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 15, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Jabba...
  Yeah, all he did was bitch and maon about how the Chiefs needed to sign Law and then they would win the SB.  I can't believe he hasn't wrote something stating he was wrong. I won't hold my breath.
Steven

by Steven on Jan 15, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

From Jabba
"Now, based on some of my offseason suggestions, I understand many of you probably believe I know as little about professional football as Peterson. I am the man who predicted the Chiefs would go 16-0 thanks to the acquisition of Chester McGlockton. I also guaranteed a Super Bowl appearance if the Chiefs signed Ty Law.
Plus, the McGlockton and Law predictions were really predicated on the Chiefs signing Jeff George. It was a three-legged table that didn't stand without the third leg."
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/415494.html

He tried to make fun of his own comments!

by Lanier63 on Jan 15, 2008 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Stick with Law and Surtain
for next year, but draft atleast one CB in the top 3 or 4 rounds this year.  Plus I like how Herman brings in a lot of undrafted guys to compete.  If only one of them sticks we have 3/4 of a solid defensive backfield(Page, Pollard, and new guy)

by Tom Bahali on Jan 16, 2008 12:18 AM CST reply actions  

unsure
I think you guys are far off the mark when it comes to the Corner position.  yes, Surtain will be back as a starting CB for the Chiefs, by I don't think Law will.  The Chiefs will go after a new corner, either in the draft or by way of free agency.  They will also develop Brackenridge to replace Sapp.  Edwards keeps talking about player who fit what we want to do around here.  Sapp is to much of a hot head for Edwards and he will be on the way out.  About Patterson and Barksdale.  Patterson makes to many mental errors, in the form of penalties, Edwards will notice watching film and it will cost Patterson his job.  Barksdale will be the Wildcard player of the Chiefs.  I have been following Barksdale since he was drafted by the Eagles.  The kid is more than athletic, he hit like a tank.  The Eagles tried to stash Barksdale this year and develop him into a possible nickle or future starter.  Barksdale is inexperienced, but like Sapp, hw can return punts and kick offs as well.Barksdale will be back in 08' Edwards like his upside potential.

by newfan on Jan 16, 2008 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

Welcome and good points
I really love phrases like "upside potential"...

I just got word that Ty Law will almost assuredly not be back in 2008, so that throws one CB out. Developing Brackenridge to replace Sapp is also a good point.

by Chris Thorman on Jan 16, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I had a good source
I got info from a good source, that the Eagles were very unhappy that the Chiefs claimed Barksdale.  He didn't make the 53 man roster because of the numbers game.  The guy the Eagles kept over Barksdale, (Nick Graham) played mostly special teams as well.  The difference is, Graham played 14 games and had 12 tackles, one of which was an assist.  Barksdale played in only 6 games and made 8 solo special team tackles making him forth on the team in solo special team tackles.  He should have gotten some time at the nickle when Brackenridge went down, but maybe Edwards didn't want to showcase Barksdale.  In any event, I will say it again, this kid can play.  If not for Pollard and Page, I would say try him out at safety, he is a big corner now weighing in at 210.  Brackenridge, currently doesn't play with the same aggression that Sapp does, but Brackenridge is a much better matchup at the nickle verses today's NFL forth and fifth receiver.  Patterson will be going on his third year, and will have never been more than a utility guy.  The Chiefs cannot afford to keep such a person around.  Surtain, although beaten sometimes, he still can cover most receivers in the NFL.  Law, well for what the Chiefs were getting for the money, it would be best to go a different direction.  If the Chiefs were able to get him to take a pay cut, he would be worth keeping as the third CB.  I believe the Chiefs will aquire someone from free agency who would not cost above market rate for a middle of the pack cover corner, there are a few out there.  Lets not forget the Safeties.  Although the Corners looked bad at times.  Some of it was do to the fact that Page and Pollard was trying to play linebacker instead of sticking to their coverage assignments.  Like one poster said.  In cover 2 you need a lockdown Safety, not a lockdown corner.  I'm not sure either of these guys fit that mold.  We shouldn't be hasty here though, they both can play in this league.

by newfan on Jan 16, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Didnt we (referring to the BSapp small remark)
have a small conerback a few years ago?  Got burned on a regular basis.

by Lanier63 on Jan 16, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Mark McMILLIN
aka MIGHTY MOUSE!

by Eric @ Arrowhead Pride on Jan 16, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

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