The Kansas City Chiefs Defeat the Oakland Raiders on the Road

by Chris Thorman on Oct 21, 2007 6:41 PM CDT in Open Threads Comment 39 comments

Last year in Kansas City against the Raiders, Jarrad Page intercepted an Aaron Brooks pass in the endzone with 32 seconds left to seal the win. Today, Page did the same and intercepted Daunte Culpper with less than a minute left in the game, sealing another win for the Chiefs in Oakland.

Larry Johnson had a similar to game as last week, rushing for 112 yards with 54 of those yards coming on one carry in the third quarter.

The defense played great, with the exception of a total breakdown on two plays that allowed the Raiders to take the lead 7 to 6 in the third quarter. Jared Allen continued to dominate along with Derrick Johnson.

Besides the dramatic finish, I have to say this was probably the most boring game to watch as a viewer. At the same time, its probably the exact type of game Herm Edwards enjoys coaching.

I'm off to write the game recap, which I can assure you will be shorter than usual. Besides the appearance of Priest Holmes, this game didn't reveal much for the Chiefs. Our defense wins our games. The offense again needed a short field to score. The Chiefs scored on drives of 57, 16 and 74 yards. I have to nominate Damon Huard's 58 yard pass to Bowe in the fourth quarter as Huard's all time best play.

Off to write the recap. Glad to have the win and glad to be undefeated in the AFC West.

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Did a post-game thread in the diaries.

We are 2-0 in the division - on the road.

Lenny was right, we are going to the Prom with Rosie O'Donnell. But for whatever you think of Rosie, she is MEGA successful by any kind of standards. She makes money, gets her message (however controversial) across & has a happy home life.

Might not be pretty on prom night - BUT.

Who the hell knows?

Can we take Green Bay & Denver at home to go 6-1 in seven games?

Go Chiefs!

You play to win the game!

by tailgateandwin on Oct 21, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I just noticed it when you pointed it out. Otherwise, I would have just promoted it.

by Chris Thorman on Oct 21, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

two things...

but before that, a correction. the jarrad page INT against oakland was actually AT HOME against oakland, not on the road. he did have a pick or two in oakland, but i dont think either was with under a minute to play. i am positive the one in KC was...

1) as stated innumerable times by me and MAWK, especially in teh game thread, we need to play croyle yesterday. i am sick of this whole damon huard dump-down offense phase, because i am pretty sure that solari feels he cant call passes downfield. becaue except for on broken plays (like the long pass to d bowe) damon either dumps it off or throws it to tony g. at least today that is what he did.

and im really really really really really sick of it...

bench huard. start croyle.

2) i am 98.3% sure that we arent very good this year. good enough to win the division, sure, but not good enough to make a sustained run at the playoffs. however, that 1.7% is telling me that we are 4-1 with jared allen, the one loss coming against a very very very good jacksonville team. it is also telling me that we have dwayne bowe, a gift virtually unwrapped, sitting there waiting to have a real QB who an make throws down field throwing it to him (read: croyle, brodie NOT huard, damon). we just might be able to string together a couple of wins in january, because defense wins championships and ours is damn good.

but still, bench huard and start croyle.

by rockchalk on Oct 21, 2007 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

GAWD

I halfway want to agree with you BUT we don't have a say.

Imagine someone looking at your every move in a job & criticizing your every move. There was so much discussion the week of the Indy playoff game last year. The radio stations were full of people saying, "Bench Trent, Play Huard." I mean it was crazy - it was all those people talked about that week.

But we just don't have a say. No that you can't call for it & not that I don't want it - it's just not going to happen. I mean - it's not going to happen.

But Huard's play was awful. Terrible.

Did LJ bench himself early in the 4th quarter. I did not DVR this game, but I want to know. It was on a second & 8, and Priest came in. It was where Priest got his first down.

Anyway - W is a W.

Go Chiefs!

You play to win the game!

by tailgateandwin on Oct 21, 2007 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I noticed that about Priest coming in

He was in for multiple plays, wasn't he?

I'm sure LJ didn't take himself out of the game. If he did, I wouldn't be too happy.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 4:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They showed Page doing that dance

after last year's pick and I thought he was wearing his white road uniform. But I can't remember exactly either.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

You're right. Changing it now...

by Chris Thorman on Oct 21, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

changing my tune

i've been a huard supporter all season, but today was the first time where i just said, 'this guy cannot be the best qb we have.' whether it is the effort of dick curl or not, damon huard throws checkdown passes so quickly that they must be instructed first reads on plays. all those lj swing passes for no yards are evidence. the playcalling was atrocious today, with numerous give up calls on third downs. BUT, with that said, damon huard missed on a bunch of throws, high and wide. tony g saved a pick, and a couple others were dropped. the announcers mentioned wind, but every qb faces that. damon huard was not accurate and was making 'give-up' or 'safe' reads. while that will win 12-10 games, it will not win good games when the offense needs to get it done. can brodie croyle make the throws? yes. will he make less give-up or safe reads? yes. will he throw more picks? most likely. but it is time for change to boost the energy of our offense. the playcalling, in conjunction with the reads of huard, are sucking the life out of our offense.

pat

by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Oct 21, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Me Too!

But I just don't think it will happen. See above.

But I also don't think he will be a savior - we are not getting the pass protection we need.

But we'll see! It should be an interesting two weeks, but I guarantee that there will not be a change, so get ready to be frustrated.

Cheers!

You play to win the game!

by tailgateandwin on Oct 21, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Schadenfreude

Charger Board.

Oakland ESPN Board

They are so defensive!

Cheers.

You play to win the game!

by tailgateandwin on Oct 21, 2007 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Double-edged sword

is what it is. You can't take out a quarterback with a winning record. You just can't. You risk ruining something tremendous happening. I would point to the Arkansas Razorbacks of last season, and the Patriots of 00 as examples. I will say that if we do win the West, we have to get the 3 seed. I don't know how, but we'd need to. If things were to continue the way they are now (but do they ever?), the Jags would get the 5. I think we all know how that particular matchup ends. If we can get the three, we'll probably get either the Ravens, Chargers, or Titans. We can beat those teams. We're a long way from there, of course. I would like to point out that if you take out the 54 yarder from LJ, he averaged 2.5 again. My point is not that LJ sucks, but that we need to give him more chances to break one. Maybe aim for gashes instead of chunks, if that makes any sense. 177 yards for Huard, counting the DBowe 5 o'clock show. That's a 5.7 average. I'm going to start making "Damon Huard for MVPZ" t-shirts.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 21, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Double-edged sword

is what it is. (Sorry, reposting this. I had it on html formatting and it was making my head hurt.

You can't take out a quarterback with a winning record. You just can't. You risk ruining something tremendous happening. I would point to the Arkansas Razorbacks of last season, and the Patriots of 00 as examples. As much as it pains me to say it, he stays.

I will say that if we do win the West, we have to get the 3 seed. I don't know how, but we'd need to. If things were to continue the way they are now (but do they ever?), the Jags would get the 5. I think we all know how that particular matchup ends. If we can get the three, we'll probably get either the Ravens, Chargers, or Titans. We can beat those teams.

We're a long way from there, of course. I would like to point out that if you take out the 54 yarder from LJ, he averaged 2.5 again. My point is not that LJ sucks, but that we need to give him more chances to break one. Maybe aim for gashes instead of chunks, if that makes any sense.

177 yards for Huard, counting the DBowe 5 o'clock show. That's a 5.7 average.

I'm going to start making "Damon Huard for MVPZ" t-shirts.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 21, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I WANNA BUY ONE!!11!!!111one!

but seriously, i would love herm edwards forever if he just started croyle.

now is as good of a time as ever, with the bye and everything, and we have to try SOMETHING to get our offense going.

maybe im blaming huard for everything, but what about this theory...

damon huard cant throw the ball deep. plain and simple. at least with any consistency, sure he made a nice throw to bowe, but earlier in the game he made a pretty bad throw and it was picked off so, yeah. anyways, that means that the safeties arent nearly as worried about getting burnt deep on a play action fake, so they can come up in run support. it is awfully hard to run the ball for consistent positive yardage when you have an offensive line as bad as ours when there are only 7 guys in the box, much less 8 or 9 or even 10.

croyle, while throwing more INT's, sure, at least has the tools to make the safeties pay here and there for coming up to stop LJ, and that would create more room for LJ. from my very non-playing-football standpoint, it seems that LJ is doing a good job of making one guy miss, but at that point there are already 3 or 4 more guys in his face. but, if the safeties cant creep up, LJ will have enough room to make a guy miss and scamper for more long runs.

plus, more importantly, the runs will consistently be in the 3-4 yard range, not the 1-2 yard range.

bench huard. start croyle.

by rockchalk on Oct 21, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree

now is as good of a time as ever, with the bye and everything, and we have to try SOMETHING to get our offense going.

From an outsiders perspective, we have won 4 out of 5 with Huard at the helm. Can't imagine him getting benched now. I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree, I'm just saying this isn't as good of a time as ever.

Look at Grossman with the Bears last year. He played the whole year and they still made the Super Bowl. If Grossman stayed, Huard will stay. Do you think Herm has spoken at all with his buddy Lovie about their similar situations?

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 4:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

finally someone talking sense

you don't pull out a QB on a winning streak. period. i'm no Huard apologist, but he is what he is and right now that's good enough.
Croyle didn't show me much in preseason to get excited about.
maybe he will be the first Chiefs QB draftee this century who doesn't suck, i dunno.
but more importantly, why do we think bringing in a rookie QB now is going to have any good effect down the winter stretch of games?
rookie QB's are always sexy ... until they have to produce consistently in games that count.

If everyone is thinking alike then someone isn't thinking. George Patton

by NYChiefsFan on Oct 21, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

essentially

the argument is not that Croyle will make us better this winter.

It's that he'll make us better next year. And the year after that, and the year after that. And if he's not going to do that, we'd rather find out sooner rather than later so we can either draft, trade for or sign a QB that will.

For some of us diehards, this team doesn't seem to have what it takes to achieve the goal, which is to win a playoff game, and work towards a Super Bowl. And we know they're in first place. And we're thrilled for that. And we're rooting for them, as we did today.

But we want what's best for the franchise.

Can I get a roll call of folks that think that Damon Huard, at 34, averaging 5.7 yards per completion, with a 7-6 TD-INT ratio, is what's best for the Chiefs franchise's goal of winning a SuperBowl?

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 21, 2007 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly.

i honestly think that croyle would play quite a bit better TOMORROW and for the rest of the season, but i recognize i am in the minority on that one and i realize that others disagree with me. that is a legitimate arguement.

however, what isnt a legitimate arguement is that huard is the better qb of the future.

and, as me and mawk and a couple of other croyle-supporters have said a billion times, this is a GREAT qb draft (i really really really want andre woodson; he will be better than brohm IMO) and if croyle isnt the guy, we need to take advantage.

so, to know whether croyle is for real or not, we have to play him THIS YEAR. and the sooner the better, so we can see him for as long and in as many situations as possible...

bench huard. start croyle.

by rockchalk on Oct 21, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This certainly doesn't help my case

You guys know where I stand on the issue, but it's a 6:7 ratio. Anything better than beating Oakland? Especially giving them a chance to think they could win and stealing it in the 4th quarter.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huard vs. Croyle

Unfortunatly, if Huard didn't get pulled when we were 0-2 or 1-3, he won't get pulled when we're in first place in the division.

I've pretty much resigned myself to just enjoying the season as it is.

What I'm more afraid of than anything is that the Chiefs get to the playoffs and actually win a game before getting smashed by the Pats or Colts.

Then we'll be dealing with this Huard vs. Croyle QB controversy AGAIN next preseason. Not enough Pepto Bismol in the world for that.

by DJ on Oct 21, 2007 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm in a different place

A win in the playoffs is a huge monkey off our backs. A monkey that's been growing for 14 years. Winning a playoff game at least means that we've made enough strides to make that difference.

I can totally understanding just resigning yourself to this season and wanting to enjoy it.

I do feel bad that we're all calling for our qb's benching after we win. I feel dirty about that.

As I've said a million times, though, God, I want to contend for a SuperBowl.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 21, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

jesus...

Tailgateandwin -- that was Mitch that said that. Not Lenny.

Thatswhatshesaid -- good call on the Page pick.

MAWK -- Today's pick was the first and only that Huard has thrown this year that wasn't a tipped ball or a catch/hit/coughed-up ball.

by bankmeister on Oct 22, 2007 12:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

okay cool

I'll mark you down. What size shirt do you want for your "Damon Huard 4 MVPz!" t-shirt?

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the t-shirt idea

Chris, I would be willing to donate to get the Croyle Pick 'em Contest prize changed to these shirts.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like i thought

Damon Huard saves our ass after secondary gets burnt! Larry breaks the longest run of his career.I believe we can win a playoff game. This is the best defence we've had in a long time, the gap controll looked good and we should be a top 4 defence after the buy week. Who-Dat freak that said Oakland would beat us, he must not know the recent history of this rivalry.

Derrick Thomas- G.O.A.T

by D Thomas on Oct 22, 2007 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Im looking at

some of the recent comments about letting Croyle play. I think Croyle will come in and throw 4 picks. If you watched the game yesterday Huard had to make a move in the pocket and throw a strike which he did on two very clutch drives. Once again Damon Huard is not any part of the problem.(OUR PASS PROTECTION SUCKs).If we put Croyle in the game he will get MURDERED in the pocket. Mabye some of our veteran players wanna win now not in three years when Croyle is finally ready!

Derrick Thomas- G.O.A.T

by D Thomas on Oct 22, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

welcome back d thomas

we missed you.

no, we didn't loose this game.

and we're going to print up "Damon Huard for MVPz" t-shirts. Do you wear a Medium, Large, or LOL?

look, the argument is still out on Huard, and it's a debate worthy of the greatest fans in pro football.

But even the Huard die hards are starting to waiver. You cannot tell me that you honestly think he played BETTER yesterday. He threw for 177. On the Raiders. If you take away dBowe's superhuman abilities play-of-the game, the man is averaging like, .000000000005 yards per completion. Brady can throw all the picks he wants. He'll also score points. And if he doesn't, we can put Huard back in! Does anyone really think that the locker room is divided at this point? They're professionals. They just want to win. And if you ask Tony and the Show, i'm pretty sure what they'd tell you.

"Um... I love Damon. Great guy. He's our starter. I don't get paid to make those decisions. What? Croyle's starting? Oh, thank Christ, someone that can throw the ball more than 5 yards! Pro Bowl, here I come!"

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ok, d thomas. two things...

if our veterans want to win a super bowl before they retire, then croyle should be playing right now. no way we win one with damon huard at the helm, and croyle does need developing time before he is ready. he could be ready next season if he starts playing pretty soon...
croyle is much much more mobile than damon huard. croyle could run for a couple of yards, and i have a feeling he wouldnt mind letting it loose deep down field.

bench huard. start croyle.

by rockchalk on Oct 22, 2007 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

welcome back, man i never left

i wear an x-large and by the way when the game was clutch Damon made the moves in the pocket and the passes.If it wasnt for the side step by Huard D_BO wouldnt have seen that ball. This guy talking about We need Croyle to win a championship isnt looking at the bigger picture .we can win playoff games with defence a good running game and a smart QB .Our defence takes the ball away and Huard dosent make clutch mistakes, besides Croyle hasnt done anything and he wont start this year.

Derrick Thomas- G.O.A.T

by D Thomas on Oct 22, 2007 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I wish to God

we could embed videos on this site. How about on the last drive by the Chiefs where Huard waited, waited, waited and got sacked? Was that the awesome side step you were referring to?

I wish I watched Chiefs games in your universe, D. I really do.

And no one, NO ONE, is talking about needing Croyle to win a championship. It's that we're not going to win one with Huard, and we need to find out IF Croyle can be that guy for us.

I guess you play to not lose the game, though.

You're right, though. Between our defence and our MVPz QB, we'll never loose in the playoffs.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

re: Huard's late game sack

I'm bracing for the onslaught from TWSS and Mawk before I write this.

That sack wasn't a bad (or good) thing. It ran time off the clock. And, since you don't believe Huard is a play maker, what did you expect to happen if he passed it? Incomplete or intercepted, right?

BTW, I'm not claiming that Huard is a play maker, just kind of playing devil's advocate here.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huard

is a playmaker because he makes plays. how many yards do gonzales and bowe have? who threw the ball to them. It wasnt Trent Green. If yall dont like the personel find a new team.

Derrick Thomas- G.O.A.T

by D Thomas on Oct 22, 2007 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah!

That's what being a real Chiefs fan is about! Completely accepting everything and seeing all players in a completely distorted viewpoint? Did you know that Damon Huard actually invented Penicillin? Did you know that he can break the speed of light, but chooses not to? Did you know that dBowe and Tony Gonzalez are not amazing talents, but instead just look good because of how amazing Damon Huard is? Get on the bandwagon people! This is America! There is no room for dissenting opinions! "Damon Huard 4 MVPz: Did Your Quarterback Invent Electricity?"

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damon Huard...

...doesn't get wet in the rain.

...doesn't have doors in house just walls he walks through.

...lost his virginity before his dad did.

...his tears can cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

...doesn't sleep. He waits.

...can slam revolving doors.

Ah, a bit of Monday morning fun...

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damon Huard

could kick Chuck Norris' ass. But he won't. Because that's just what you'd want him to do. Instead, he'll get his ass kicked by Chuck Norris, then just punch him once as he's falling down.

He will then be crowned the greatest fighter of all time.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mondays suck

I need something to keep me going.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just concentrate

on sculpting my giant statue of Damon Huard to be put in front of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully

he will replace Trent Dilfer's statue recognizing him as the worst QB ever to win a Super Bowl.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 22, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're right

that's what I was thinking. Okay, 2 minutes left. Up by 2. Playmakers on either side of the field. Here we go. "C'mon Huard! Get sacked! You can do it! You can do it! Don't roll out! Don't roll out! Yeah! Take that sack! Yeah!" No, I expect him to throw a completion, scramble, do something to get the first down. "Damon Huard 4 MVPz: Because Tom Brady and Peyton Manning May Throw TDs, But Our Guy Gets Sacked When He Needs To."

by Ridiculous Matt on Oct 22, 2007 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

uh-huh.

exactly.

and everyone talks about how damon huard "doesnt make mistakes", but he essentially threw 3 INTERCEPTIONS yesterday.

he really only threw one, i know, i watched the game, but he threw two passes straight to the defender. kris wilson made a great play to break one up, and tony gonzalez made a great play later on to prevent an INT.

so, they are both turnover-prone, if you will, but croyle can make plays. damon likes getting sacked to "run out the clock"...

bench huard. start croyle.

by rockchalk on Oct 22, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs